[Bug 31199] "Revert" should be called "Reload from disk", and a new Revert implemented
Public bug report changed: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/31199 Task: ubuntu gedit Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected Comment: Thank you for your bug. I've talked on IRC about that and "revert" is the wording using for that actions by all sort of applications and operating systems. Editing by some other way the text is a corner case and you should know what you do if that's the case. I'm rejecting the bug since we don't want to divert from upstream and that's the correct wording for them. Feel free to argue upstream if you disagree -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 31199] "Revert" should be called "Reload from disk", and a new Revert implemented
Public bug report changed: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/31199 Comment: Possibly related to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143943 . -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 31199] "Revert" should be called "Reload from disk", and a new Revert implemented
Public bug report changed: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/31199 Comment: > However you are up against the GNOME HIG on this one: I'm not so sure, HIG says: "Reverts the document to the last saved state." - and it doesn't do that, or at least can't guarantee it as it is implemented today. To follow the HIG, the implementation would have to change. So it's a bug rather than a wish for wording? > Convention means that people expect an item called Revert and most > of the programs I've ever used have implemented this as a reload. Huh. I don't really recognize that at all. I must have missed those, and in either case I read what the entry said and expected English language to be followed. And I'm not even a native speaker. It isn't like "Reload" would do anything unexpected either for that matter, actually less so. > It's a bad convention but you can always ask upstream... Sure, but isn't the proper procedure to do that via this interface somehow? So it gets properly tracked here too? -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 31199] "Revert" should be called "Reload from disk", and a new Revert implemented
Public bug report changed: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/31199 Comment: I was going to argue that this is a bit spurious as there are countless programs on many platforms that have been using Revert to mean "Reload from disk". I was all set to point to OpenOffice.org as such an example when upon loading it I found it was labelled "Reload"... You make a good point and because of the Unix file semantics it is quite possible for another program to change the document beneath GEdit causing a revert to no longer act as an undo. However you are up against the GNOME HIG on this one: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/menus-standard.html#id2527128 I suspect you would have to get it overturned/renamed there before GEdit would change its menu. Convention means that people expect an item called Revert and most of the programs I've ever used have implemented this as a reload. It's a bad convention but you can always ask upstream... -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 31199] "Revert" should be called "Reload from disk", and a new Revert implemented
Public bug reported: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/31199 Affects: gedit (Ubuntu) Severity: Normal Priority: (none set) Status: Unconfirmed Description: File->Revert does not actually revert the file. Revert means "to return to a former condition", while what it actually does is reloading the file from disk. That file may have been changed by some other program, which is what I actually use the current "Revert" for - reloading after external change. However, that does not return it to a previous state, and it may be an unexpected result due to the wording. The warning says "Changes made to the document in the last X minutes will be permanently lost." even if no changes has actually occured. A user that has made no changes may think that this is safe but become very surprised if the file has changed externally. If a Revert option is desired, then the application should make a note of the state at open time and update it at every save - maybe a pointer to a place in the undo history - that could be used to go back to this earlier state. If undo is limited, a file could be used temporarily for the session. Ideally, there would be both a proper Revert and the current functionality called "Reload from disk". -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
