[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
The 'white spaces' are gone too. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Closing this bug, since Dapper is now frozen and the logout dialog design won't change before release. Feel free to open specific bugs for issues that haven't been reported yet. We'll talk about this again for edgy :) ** Changed in: gnome-panel (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released ** Changed in: gnome-panel (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: gnome-panel => gnome-session -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Sounds a bit like the gnome approache, except it replaces the small dialogs with submenus. I quite like the idea. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
After having read through this bug's comments, here are my two cents. 1) The "lock screen" item should not be treated differently than suspend/hibernate. They are all options that are a) potentially timer-controlled and automatic and b) have no bearing on the current gnome session other than to pause it. 2) Why not, rather than using a dialog, just incorporate a submenu into the System menu to handle the different shutdown/logout options? It would be simpler and easier to navigate. Plus it would be consistent with preferences and administration menus that do not use dialogs. (See proposal below) 3) Separating the dialog (or menus) into "Pause Session" (or some other intuitive name) and "End Session" (or Shut Down etc) would be great. I have no idea why things like sleep and shutdown are in the same dialog as their functionality is of a very different nature. Here is my proposal for a menu-based version of the dialog: System **Session (User) Lock Screen Switch User Log Out **Pause (Power Saving) Sleep Hibernate **Quit (Shut Down) Reboot Power Off Note: Lock Screen could also go in the Pause submenu, however, locking the screen is sort of a semi-logout which requires a password so I placed it in Session/User. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
I agree. the new interface is clunky, and extremely large. When I first saw it, I had to take a step back to see the whole thing as a dialog instead of as a window. I think it needs to be smaller and more sleek. ** Changed in: gnome-panel (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
I should point out bug 45173 here since it definitely falls into the category of "logout dialog UI objection". -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Doh of course. Exuse me please. I will search the open bug list and if it´s not allready there open a new one. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Thilo, please don't abuse that bug to describe totally different issues, that one has nothing to do with the bug you are commenting on -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
> I use a shortcut to logout. This got lost in one of the latest updates. A shortcut for the logout screen is no more available right now. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: [Bug 33002] Re: [Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
fre, 12 05 2006 kl. 17:29 +, skrev Mark Shuttleworth: > I understand your concern, but I think you'll > see when the correct icon is in place that this becomes rather obvious. You shouldn't really depend too much on icons. Some people disable them, some people can't see them (bad sight), and some people just don't understand them, because icons are interpreted different in different societies. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: [Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
The icon that was intended to be there for MONTHS now, has never been put there. That is a little frustrating, but until the correct icon is in place we can't tell. I understand your concern, but I think you'll see when the correct icon is in place that this becomes rather obvious. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
As I can see this debate on the logout GUI keeps going on, all I can say is that when i told my dad to "shut down the pc" he couldn't find any reseanoble item in the system menu which seemed to perform this task, that "logout" thing made no sense to him at all. I can't see why you're putting all this effort into this thing when gnome comes with a sane upstream version. It's beyond me. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
The problem you mention is addressed in bug 39371. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Sorta off topic, but has anybody noticed how when you select log out the background colors become dithered and look a little strange? It seems like it should just change the brightness (i.e. dim the background, not saturate it...) Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, I couldn't find anything about this. Samuel -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: [Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Daniel Holbach wrote: > Mark, what do you think about those? Shall I send Dave a copy and hear > his opinion or shall I include Manu's icons in the next ubuntu-artwork > update? > We are still waiting for the SVG versions. Yes, I think it's worth asking Dave to comment on those, and if he likes them, asking Manu to take responsibility for that set of icons as long as he stays true to the core glassiness of the design we currently have. So far weve tried to keep the line of communication as simple as possible for Dave, because he needs clear direction not to be involved in a debate. Manu is doing great work, and in this case, I would have no problem to have manu take responsibility for this set, these icons are improved but still true to the core vision that Dave has set. Mark -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Mark, what do you think about those? Shall I send Dave a copy and hear his opinion or shall I include Manu's icons in the next ubuntu-artwork update? -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
In the three icons above, the best way would still be to fix the SVG directly. If somebody makes them available, I can do that. ** Attachment added: "Clean hibernate icon" http://librarian.launchpad.net/2322368/gnome-session-hibernate.png ** Attachment added: "Clean suspend icon" http://librarian.launchpad.net/2322370/gnome-session-suspend.png ** Attachment added: "Suggested purple reboot icon" http://librarian.launchpad.net/2322371/gnome-session-reboot.png -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: [Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Just to be clear what the final state should be, the System menu should only have the Quit (power on/off) menu item, which is the same as what is on the panel. So whether you go through the System menu or the panel you get the same dialog and choices. Ryan, this is final for Dapper. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
from where do you get the suspend,hibernate stat (I'm not taking the decision for that dialog and just curious on that)? Note that lock being to the menu can be "fixed" quickly (a menu item is easy to drop) if that's what bothers you (but I don't think that's the point) -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Is there any chance of getting the default behaviour changed to match upstream? The upstream solution is very clearly _more sane_ (even if it doesn't have all of the functionality/flash of the Ubuntu one). Some things to keep in mind: - Lock is already on the menu - Suspend/hibernate don't even work for (probably more than) half the people who use Ubuntu - Following upstream goes with the principle of least suprise (and follows the HIG to boot) - This is Dapper - we should try to not be suprising Essentially, I am asking for sane defaults here. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
>note than you can run gnome-session-save to store the current session :D You made my day. thanks -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
note than you can run gnome-session-save to store the current session -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Thilo, the save session issue is known and happens with upstream dialog as well as with the Ubuntu one -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
I also have problems with the logout window. I have tried that: > People who want to use the upstream dialogs are free to do so, > you just have to change /apps/panel/global/upstream_session > key to true with gconf-editor But this works only when clicking on the logout button. I use a shotcut to logout. The second and more confusing thing to me is the little "save the session" box disappeared on logout window. I get used to set up my session as i liked it, then loged out and saved it. How do i do that now? Here is a quote from the online Help window for "Setting Session Preferences": Automatically save changes to session: [...] If you do not select this option, when you end your session the Logout Confirmation dialog displays a Save current setup option. So that "Save current setup option" is missing. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
> People who want to use the upstream dialogs are free to do so, > you just have to change /apps/panel/global/upstream_session > key to true with gconf-editor Wow, thanks !!! I didn't know it was so easy to do, just did it and indeed works like a charm ! :o) > Vincent, we appreciate your enthousiasm but you already did such > comments and made your opinion clear on the topic, no need to > send one again I apologize about my comments about the new dialog... I would never had opened my mouth had I known about that magic Gconf key. Now that I know about it, I promise you will not hear from me anymore ;-) -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Tony, themable icons is bug #40314 People who want to use the upstream dialogs are free to do so, you just have to change /apps/panel/global/upstream_session key to true with gconf-editor (as documented by the package changelog) Jonathon, upstream dialogs have no sleep nor hibernate option, isn't that an issue to you? Vincent, we appreciate your enthousiasm but you already did such comments and made your opinion clear on the topic, no need to send one again -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
> The GNOME upstream solution provides an organized, HIG compliant > way for the user to select between the various ways to end a session. > For the reasons outlined above, I feel that the upstream session dialogs will > provide the most polished experience for users and I urge Ubuntu devs to at > least reconsider their adoption. +1 +2, +10,000 ... where do I sign ? -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
We find ourselves with a difficult decision to make. Two solutions exist for one problem and unfortunately one must be discarded. However, we should not allow this fact to prevent us from pragmatically surveying the options and selecting the one which best fits the project. It is with that in mind that I offer the following observations and by no means do I intend to offend or discourage any developers involved. The GNOME upstream solution provides an organized, HIG compliant way for the user to select between the various ways to end a session. It does so by balancing choice with simplicity and manages to group those choices in a meaningful way that does not require excessive mouse clicking from the user. The Log Out and Shut Down dialogs in this solution have the additional feature that they will automatically react if left alone for 60 seconds. This feature benefits the user by requiring one less mouse click should he or she wish to log out or halt the computer. In contrast, the Ubuntu solution presents the user with the same five options from the upstream solution plus two additional choices (sleep and hibernate) in one cluttered window. Switch User and Restart both require the same number of clicks as the upstream solution. Lock Screen requires one extra click (if it is to be removed from the System menu as was mentioned previously in this bug report). Shut Down and Log Out also require one extra click than the GNOME solution if we take into account the automatic reaction feature that the upstream solution provides. The two rows of atypically large buttons break consistency with other dialog windows in GNOME. Furthermore, seven functions plus a cancel button is an overwhelming number of choices to present to a user. Ending a session is one of the key areas where Ubuntu's usability will impact its users since most will perform this task frequently. For the reasons outlined above, I feel that the upstream session dialogs will provide the most polished experience for users and I urge Ubuntu devs to at least reconsider their adoption. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
Now, I will first agree that there should be some work on making icons match other things, and having them be themable would be great, but it sounds like a lot of people are on that already. The main thing that irked me about the dialogue was the sheer size. I mean, it takes up what, 25% of the total screen area? I find that a bit excessive, and not what I would expect from a simple dialogue window. If some of the space between icons were removed, space around the border shrunk down, and maybe the icons themselves made just a tad smaller if necessary. Basically, my impression when the window popped up was that it was huge. So, just some trimming would be great in my opinion. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
I don't know what your plans with switch-user and lock are, but those two icons are images now while the others are abstract symbols. This already was so previously, only now the logout icon is a symbol, too. Maybe this arrowmania could be amplified with the following new icons: * lock-screen: a circle with a cross through it * switch user: a circle with one arrow pointing inwards and another making a circular movement inside the circle That way we'd be more consistent AND cryptic at the same time! ;-) Ok, I'm kidding, actually I think it would make more sense to keep the door-exit symbol for logout, and maybe it'd be possible to make a frozen computer symbol for hibernate (frozen is a good idea, but no-one will get your blue-icon-reference). For the sleep-icon I'm thinking of the image of a totally exhausted hacker that fell asleep on his keyboard, but that's probably one of my less brilliant ideas. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
About the new icons, I have two requests (and I am attaching a screenshot and a mockup for them) : 1) In sleep and hibernate icons, there is a small problem in the center (some kind of white rectangular shape), see on the screenshot, I have magnified the two zones. 2) The fact that nearly all icons have distinguishable colors is great, I think. However, restart and hibernate have the same color (blue). I would suggest keeping blue for hibernate (blueish ice...) and make the restart icons purple like it was before (see mockup), or another distinguishable color. ** Attachment added: "Screenshot of new icon problems" http://librarian.launchpad.net/2187928/logout_icons_problems.png ** Attachment added: "Mockup" http://librarian.launchpad.net/2187929/logout_icons_suggestion.png -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
My latest patch solves these problems (cancel button and Esc button), but as Sebastien said it has not yet been uploaded. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
esc for cancel is bug #39982 and is fixed by a patch update blocked by the betaCD freeze at the moment -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
1) Manu, can you make Esc trigger the cancel function of the dialog? Especially since the dialog-launcher uses so much screen-estate (the corner of the screen; whether that's appropriate is a different discussion), it's nice to get rid of it quickly. 2) I really like the logout icon, it's far nicer than the old gnome-one. Great work. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
the cancel button issue is known as bug #40027 -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
You are aware of the fact that the Cancel button in the current version changes size depending on what you mouseover? (this last checked in dapper from 2006-04-18) About the UI in general, I seldom logout or switch user on my machine since I'm a single user, I do reboot quite often since i dual-boot (No Oblivion in Dapper sadly), and I do use Shutdown. Now Hibernate and Sleep don't work at all on my AMD64 Machine so I don't realy understand why I have the option. So I only need three options, Logout, Reboot, Shutdown. And about the menu item name: Exit... well that works in English but AFAIK You don't exit programs you close or quit? It could become a translation issue... I'm not sure I can follow the thought of wanting to hibernate the computer and choosing Exit... either. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
the new icon set rolled today makes the dialog look ugly as the small verssion of the log out icon show up instead of the larger. It's obviously wrong. I don't dislike the dialog at all, and I think it could be the final version. No need for big changes -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
I thought about this thing while reading Andreas Post in the Forums. I have no real preference for any of the dialogs, but I want to share my thoughts. I think there are basically two motivations, which can drive the user to end his session: 1. he wants to change the state of the PC (reboot, shutdown, hibernate etc.) 2. he wants to change the state of the session (lock screen, logout, change user) this two topics are not really connected to each other and therefore you can set a default for each, which will be chose after a timeout. I'd choose shutdown and lock screen - I think this is the best choice for the user if he "forgets" what he initially wanted to do. You are alreadyrespecting this by putting the according buttons in two seperate lines - so why not make two seperate dilogs out of it and gaining the default preset wished by Soren Hauberg. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
And about the last thing (Cancel button and help labels), the problem is solved, the patch will be uploaded very soon. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
This last comment is more about wording/small bugs than the dialog itself. The system menu's entry will be renamed (we're just searching for the right word to use, currently we're thinking of "Exit..."). The lock screen entry will probably be removed, since it is available in the logout dialog. Making all options available directly in the menu (logout, switch, sleep, etc.): I don't think it's a good solution, since the menu would get *really* long. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
I am sorry if what I'll be saying might sound blunt, but I find the new logout dialog totally useless and very, very inconsistent. Not only is its layout not in keep with gnome's HIG, but what I find disturbing is that it lacks consistence: - why not provide all the options straight in the gnome's system menu? right now, in the system menu we have "lock screen" and "logout", I wonder what makes the "lock screen" action so special to have a right to sit there while, for example, "logout", "change user" "reboot" etc. haven't this right - most of all, why should the "logout" button in gnome's system menu bring up this dialog rather than doing what it should be supposed to do i.e. logout the user? - last day my father was using my pc to browse the web, think of him as your average non-tech savvy person in his sixties... I told him to "shutdown the pc when done"... Well, what he did was looking for some option in the "system" menu, and this is good, but he then called for help 'cause he couldn't find any "shutdown" option... and remember most users, accustomed to "some OS" out there which lack multi user support, don't even know what "logging out" is all about, hence they would never click on "logout" in the first place. So please, why not make things easier for both the end users and you, the developers: I would reccomend you got rid of that logout thing and provide all the options straight in the "system" menu, forgive me for not appreciating the effort some of you guys put on that logout dialog but I think the outcome, well, is simply subpar with the level of excellence dapper is reaching... as a side note, the "cancel" button gets slightly resized when, hovering over the buttons with the mouse pointer, the text describing the highlighted option spans over two lines... not good at all... sorry but i am very picky when it comes to gtk finesse =) regards, andre -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
If this amateur UI nerd can throw into the fray... Part of the problem is the decision to make a switch to a full dialog from a pulldown menu. Presumably this is inspired by a desire for consistency with Windows. The irony is, within the various Gnome metaphors, what's needed is an inverse of the Windows 'Start' menu -- that is, a rapidly-accessed 'Exit' menu that details all the various ways to depart a session. There's been some haphazard rearranging of these features in recent GUIs; first the Mac had its shutdown item buried in a menu; some subset of followon GUIs moved it to a more-easily-located dedicated widget when 'docks' and 'launchers' became popular. Then came Windows 9x, with the Start menu, OS X with the tweak in concept for their Apple menu, and fast-user-switching on both of the big remaining personal computing platforms standardizing on the upper-right corner. ... What I see is the germ of a pretty damn good idea here; the 'exit' icon, while initially unfamiliar (as hieroglyphs always are), is an appropriate categorization for all these 'You are about to invoke a dramatic switch in mode' options. Why have FUS in one widget and logout and shutdown buried elsewhere, when they're all related to session management and the user may still be decision-making while invoking the menu or dialog? Also, for whatever weird confluence of reasons, the positional consistency for 'close button' has moved from upper left to upper right in the past decade, so there's some familiarity for the average MS migrant there. That's the good part. The bad part is making it a full blocking dialog when it doesn't deserve to be. A dropdown combining the FUS list with shutdown and logout options is much more easily dismissed (by 'clicking off' to change focus) when invoked accidentally, no 'Cancel' or 'exit' item needed, and no consideration of focus required. Only destructive selections (a full logout or shutdown) then deserve a blocking confirmation dialog when selected to prove the user's really sure. This probably amounts to wishlisting a *third* rewrite of the whole functionality; I haven't seen Gnome's official approach yet, and bumped into Ubuntu's current direction in the past day or two. I can also appreciate that the existing approach is probably guaranteed to survive across GNOME/KDE/XFCE distributions, while a panel applet that does more of the heavy lifting itself rather than invoking another X client might not, but such is life. (Off-topic, but when it comes to panel layout and use of screen corners, I like to put the window list applet in the top left. This bumps the Applications menu out of that spot, but serves my need for OS/2 Warpcenter nostalgia and is a bit more convenient than strafing desktops or sliding along the Windows-style switcher. The changing icon also provides a cute and consistently-placed reminder of what has focus without having to visually interpret a messy desktop. Since 'preferred' applications wind up with their own launcher icons anyway, far from screen corners, anyone higher-up want to try this for a while and decide if it's worth considering as a basic UI feature?) -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
** Bug 38063 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
The new dialog also does not allow you to save your session. See also #6687 -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 33002] Re: logout dialog UI objections
I would like to comment in favor of the current dialog box. First of all it looks good. Second, even though it's not using standard buttons it's very clear what one should do -- click one of the icons. The combination of text and icons is also good -- usually the icons are enough, but if they're not (the difference between hibernate and sleep) the text helps. Regarding the idea of having 2 dialogs: The current dialog is logical: it contains everything related to leaving the current session. When I saw it for the same time I thought it was a great improvement over the Windows two-dialog way, and I still think so. Seeing the options and choosing the right one is easier than having to think if what you want to do was classified as "pausing" or "ending" the session. The only problem for me is the menu label "log out". The first time I used ubuntu it took me a few minutes to figure out how to shut down the computer. -- logout dialog UI objections https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33002 -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
