[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks for your bug. What do you expect from that application? You can change 
the /etc/default/rcS UTC= key to define if your system clock has the UTC time 
or the local one. Does that fix your issue? The question is not asked during 
the information to make it simple, so it assumes that the PC clock is set to 
UTC which is the default

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Erich Pawlik
Your question is related to my issue about debian-installer (bug #37380). I 
will answer your question in a post at that bug.

However, there seems to be another issue related to the Gnome time-admin panel 
or the Gnome clock panel:

Have a look at the following scenario:

1. /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes (set by the installer)
2. In the "Time and Date Settings" panel, "Periodically synchronize clock with 
Internet servers" is checked off.
3. Ubuntu interprets the system clock (which is local time) as UTC
4. Ubuntu somehow finds out that the system clock deviates from UTC 
5. After booting again, the clock remains unchanged until I boot into Windows 
again (and set the clock) or change the clock in the bios settings.

My basic issue is that Ubuntu somehow knows the correct UTC and doesn't accept 
the time returned by the system clock. I guess that this is only possible by 
contacting a time server (but I am not sure). I would expect that this doesn't 
happen if I switch off synchronization with Internet servers. 

You might argue that this option only switches off "periodic" synchronization 
and that a sychronization at boot time (or whenever else) is ok. However, there 
should be a way to tell Ubuntu to stay away from the system clock. In a dual 
boot configuration, it is otherwise impossible to have a consistent clock 
setting.

One observation that mystifies me: When I check the option "Periodically 
synchronize clock with Internet servers" on and off, ntp.conf remains 
unchanged; however ntpd, will be started and stopped as I would expect (and 
when stopped, ntpd will not show up after reboot again). Taking ntpd out of the 
equation obviously doesn't solve the problem.

There could be something with the Gnome (or Ubuntu) clock applet. I have tried 
the following settings:
- /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes
- Periodically synchronize clock with Internet servers = off
- clock applet: Use UTC=off
If my system clock is "17:11" and my timezone is "Europe/Berlin" (currently 
UTC+2h), the applet should show "19:11". However, it shows "17:11". And after 
leaving Ubuntu, the bios clock is set to 15:11.

Regards

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
For a box using windows and linux you want to set UTC=no and that should work 
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Erich Pawlik
Setting UTC=no doesn't solve this particular bug report. Using UTC=no has a big 
disadvantage right now  (see Bug #33968), but I can work around that bug for 
the timne being as well (restarting networking does the trick).

This bug report is about a inconsistency in handling time services with 
UTC=yes. This inconsistency might be related to bug #33968, but up to now, I 
don't have any evidence for this.

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-05-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks for your bug. What do you expect from that application? You can change 
the /etc/default/rcS UTC= key to define if your system clock has the UTC time 
or the local one. Does that fix your issue? The question is not asked during 
the information to make it simple, so it assumes that the PC clock is set to 
UTC which is the default

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Erich Pawlik
Your question is related to my issue about debian-installer (bug #37380). I 
will answer your question in a post at that bug.

However, there seems to be another issue related to the Gnome time-admin panel 
or the Gnome clock panel:

Have a look at the following scenario:

1. /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes (set by the installer)
2. In the "Time and Date Settings" panel, "Periodically synchronize clock with 
Internet servers" is checked off.
3. Ubuntu interprets the system clock (which is local time) as UTC
4. Ubuntu somehow finds out that the system clock deviates from UTC 
5. After booting again, the clock remains unchanged until I boot into Windows 
again (and set the clock) or change the clock in the bios settings.

My basic issue is that Ubuntu somehow knows the correct UTC and doesn't accept 
the time returned by the system clock. I guess that this is only possible by 
contacting a time server (but I am not sure). I would expect that this doesn't 
happen if I switch off synchronization with Internet servers. 

You might argue that this option only switches off "periodic" synchronization 
and that a sychronization at boot time (or whenever else) is ok. However, there 
should be a way to tell Ubuntu to stay away from the system clock. In a dual 
boot configuration, it is otherwise impossible to have a consistent clock 
setting.

One observation that mystifies me: When I check the option "Periodically 
synchronize clock with Internet servers" on and off, ntp.conf remains 
unchanged; however ntpd, will be started and stopped as I would expect (and 
when stopped, ntpd will not show up after reboot again). Taking ntpd out of the 
equation obviously doesn't solve the problem.

There could be something with the Gnome (or Ubuntu) clock applet. I have tried 
the following settings:
- /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes
- Periodically synchronize clock with Internet servers = off
- clock applet: Use UTC=off
If my system clock is "17:11" and my timezone is "Europe/Berlin" (currently 
UTC+2h), the applet should show "19:11". However, it shows "17:11". And after 
leaving Ubuntu, the bios clock is set to 15:11.

Regards

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
For a box using windows and linux you want to set UTC=no and that should work 
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Erich Pawlik
Setting UTC=no doesn't solve this particular bug report. Using UTC=no has a big 
disadvantage right now  (see Bug #33968), but I can work around that bug for 
the timne being as well (restarting networking does the trick).

This bug report is about a inconsistency in handling time services with 
UTC=yes. This inconsistency might be related to bug #33968, but up to now, I 
don't have any evidence for this.

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-05-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks for your bug. What do you expect from that application? You can change 
the /etc/default/rcS UTC= key to define if your system clock has the UTC time 
or the local one. Does that fix your issue? The question is not asked during 
the information to make it simple, so it assumes that the PC clock is set to 
UTC which is the default

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Erich Pawlik
Your question is related to my issue about debian-installer (bug #37380). I 
will answer your question in a post at that bug.

However, there seems to be another issue related to the Gnome time-admin panel 
or the Gnome clock panel:

Have a look at the following scenario:

1. /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes (set by the installer)
2. In the "Time and Date Settings" panel, "Periodically synchronize clock with 
Internet servers" is checked off.
3. Ubuntu interprets the system clock (which is local time) as UTC
4. Ubuntu somehow finds out that the system clock deviates from UTC 
5. After booting again, the clock remains unchanged until I boot into Windows 
again (and set the clock) or change the clock in the bios settings.

My basic issue is that Ubuntu somehow knows the correct UTC and doesn't accept 
the time returned by the system clock. I guess that this is only possible by 
contacting a time server (but I am not sure). I would expect that this doesn't 
happen if I switch off synchronization with Internet servers. 

You might argue that this option only switches off "periodic" synchronization 
and that a sychronization at boot time (or whenever else) is ok. However, there 
should be a way to tell Ubuntu to stay away from the system clock. In a dual 
boot configuration, it is otherwise impossible to have a consistent clock 
setting.

One observation that mystifies me: When I check the option "Periodically 
synchronize clock with Internet servers" on and off, ntp.conf remains 
unchanged; however ntpd, will be started and stopped as I would expect (and 
when stopped, ntpd will not show up after reboot again). Taking ntpd out of the 
equation obviously doesn't solve the problem.

There could be something with the Gnome (or Ubuntu) clock applet. I have tried 
the following settings:
- /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes
- Periodically synchronize clock with Internet servers = off
- clock applet: Use UTC=off
If my system clock is "17:11" and my timezone is "Europe/Berlin" (currently 
UTC+2h), the applet should show "19:11". However, it shows "17:11". And after 
leaving Ubuntu, the bios clock is set to 15:11.

Regards

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
For a box using windows and linux you want to set UTC=no and that should work 
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Erich Pawlik
Setting UTC=no doesn't solve this particular bug report. Using UTC=no has a big 
disadvantage right now  (see Bug #33968), but I can work around that bug for 
the timne being as well (restarting networking does the trick).

This bug report is about a inconsistency in handling time services with 
UTC=yes. This inconsistency might be related to bug #33968, but up to now, I 
don't have any evidence for this.

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-05-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
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2006-05-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks for your bug. What do you expect from that application? You can change 
the /etc/default/rcS UTC= key to define if your system clock has the UTC time 
or the local one. Does that fix your issue? The question is not asked during 
the information to make it simple, so it assumes that the PC clock is set to 
UTC which is the default

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Erich Pawlik
Your question is related to my issue about debian-installer (bug #37380). I 
will answer your question in a post at that bug.

However, there seems to be another issue related to the Gnome time-admin panel 
or the Gnome clock panel:

Have a look at the following scenario:

1. /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes (set by the installer)
2. In the "Time and Date Settings" panel, "Periodically synchronize clock with 
Internet servers" is checked off.
3. Ubuntu interprets the system clock (which is local time) as UTC
4. Ubuntu somehow finds out that the system clock deviates from UTC 
5. After booting again, the clock remains unchanged until I boot into Windows 
again (and set the clock) or change the clock in the bios settings.

My basic issue is that Ubuntu somehow knows the correct UTC and doesn't accept 
the time returned by the system clock. I guess that this is only possible by 
contacting a time server (but I am not sure). I would expect that this doesn't 
happen if I switch off synchronization with Internet servers. 

You might argue that this option only switches off "periodic" synchronization 
and that a sychronization at boot time (or whenever else) is ok. However, there 
should be a way to tell Ubuntu to stay away from the system clock. In a dual 
boot configuration, it is otherwise impossible to have a consistent clock 
setting.

One observation that mystifies me: When I check the option "Periodically 
synchronize clock with Internet servers" on and off, ntp.conf remains 
unchanged; however ntpd, will be started and stopped as I would expect (and 
when stopped, ntpd will not show up after reboot again). Taking ntpd out of the 
equation obviously doesn't solve the problem.

There could be something with the Gnome (or Ubuntu) clock applet. I have tried 
the following settings:
- /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes
- Periodically synchronize clock with Internet servers = off
- clock applet: Use UTC=off
If my system clock is "17:11" and my timezone is "Europe/Berlin" (currently 
UTC+2h), the applet should show "19:11". However, it shows "17:11". And after 
leaving Ubuntu, the bios clock is set to 15:11.

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
For a box using windows and linux you want to set UTC=no and that should work 
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Erich Pawlik
Setting UTC=no doesn't solve this particular bug report. Using UTC=no has a big 
disadvantage right now  (see Bug #33968), but I can work around that bug for 
the timne being as well (restarting networking does the trick).

This bug report is about a inconsistency in handling time services with 
UTC=yes. This inconsistency might be related to bug #33968, but up to now, I 
don't have any evidence for this.

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-05-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks for your bug. What do you expect from that application? You can change 
the /etc/default/rcS UTC= key to define if your system clock has the UTC time 
or the local one. Does that fix your issue? The question is not asked during 
the information to make it simple, so it assumes that the PC clock is set to 
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-02 Thread Erich Pawlik
Your question is related to my issue about debian-installer (bug #37380). I 
will answer your question in a post at that bug.

However, there seems to be another issue related to the Gnome time-admin panel 
or the Gnome clock panel:

Have a look at the following scenario:

1. /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes (set by the installer)
2. In the "Time and Date Settings" panel, "Periodically synchronize clock with 
Internet servers" is checked off.
3. Ubuntu interprets the system clock (which is local time) as UTC
4. Ubuntu somehow finds out that the system clock deviates from UTC 
5. After booting again, the clock remains unchanged until I boot into Windows 
again (and set the clock) or change the clock in the bios settings.

My basic issue is that Ubuntu somehow knows the correct UTC and doesn't accept 
the time returned by the system clock. I guess that this is only possible by 
contacting a time server (but I am not sure). I would expect that this doesn't 
happen if I switch off synchronization with Internet servers. 

You might argue that this option only switches off "periodic" synchronization 
and that a sychronization at boot time (or whenever else) is ok. However, there 
should be a way to tell Ubuntu to stay away from the system clock. In a dual 
boot configuration, it is otherwise impossible to have a consistent clock 
setting.

One observation that mystifies me: When I check the option "Periodically 
synchronize clock with Internet servers" on and off, ntp.conf remains 
unchanged; however ntpd, will be started and stopped as I would expect (and 
when stopped, ntpd will not show up after reboot again). Taking ntpd out of the 
equation obviously doesn't solve the problem.

There could be something with the Gnome (or Ubuntu) clock applet. I have tried 
the following settings:
- /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes
- Periodically synchronize clock with Internet servers = off
- clock applet: Use UTC=off
If my system clock is "17:11" and my timezone is "Europe/Berlin" (currently 
UTC+2h), the applet should show "19:11". However, it shows "17:11". And after 
leaving Ubuntu, the bios clock is set to 15:11.

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2006-04-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
For a box using windows and linux you want to set UTC=no and that should work 
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Erich Pawlik
Setting UTC=no doesn't solve this particular bug report. Using UTC=no has a big 
disadvantage right now  (see Bug #33968), but I can work around that bug for 
the timne being as well (restarting networking does the trick).

This bug report is about a inconsistency in handling time services with 
UTC=yes. This inconsistency might be related to bug #33968, but up to now, I 
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2006-05-14 Thread Sebastien Bacher
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2006-04-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks for your bug. What do you expect from that application? You can change 
the /etc/default/rcS UTC= key to define if your system clock has the UTC time 
or the local one. Does that fix your issue? The question is not asked during 
the information to make it simple, so it assumes that the PC clock is set to 
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2006-04-02 Thread Erich Pawlik
Your question is related to my issue about debian-installer (bug #37380). I 
will answer your question in a post at that bug.

However, there seems to be another issue related to the Gnome time-admin panel 
or the Gnome clock panel:

Have a look at the following scenario:

1. /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes (set by the installer)
2. In the "Time and Date Settings" panel, "Periodically synchronize clock with 
Internet servers" is checked off.
3. Ubuntu interprets the system clock (which is local time) as UTC
4. Ubuntu somehow finds out that the system clock deviates from UTC 
5. After booting again, the clock remains unchanged until I boot into Windows 
again (and set the clock) or change the clock in the bios settings.

My basic issue is that Ubuntu somehow knows the correct UTC and doesn't accept 
the time returned by the system clock. I guess that this is only possible by 
contacting a time server (but I am not sure). I would expect that this doesn't 
happen if I switch off synchronization with Internet servers. 

You might argue that this option only switches off "periodic" synchronization 
and that a sychronization at boot time (or whenever else) is ok. However, there 
should be a way to tell Ubuntu to stay away from the system clock. In a dual 
boot configuration, it is otherwise impossible to have a consistent clock 
setting.

One observation that mystifies me: When I check the option "Periodically 
synchronize clock with Internet servers" on and off, ntp.conf remains 
unchanged; however ntpd, will be started and stopped as I would expect (and 
when stopped, ntpd will not show up after reboot again). Taking ntpd out of the 
equation obviously doesn't solve the problem.

There could be something with the Gnome (or Ubuntu) clock applet. I have tried 
the following settings:
- /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes
- Periodically synchronize clock with Internet servers = off
- clock applet: Use UTC=off
If my system clock is "17:11" and my timezone is "Europe/Berlin" (currently 
UTC+2h), the applet should show "19:11". However, it shows "17:11". And after 
leaving Ubuntu, the bios clock is set to 15:11.

Regards

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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
For a box using windows and linux you want to set UTC=no and that should work 
fine
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[Bug 37383] Re: [Dapper] time-admin doens't switch off synchronisation with time servers

2006-04-16 Thread Erich Pawlik
Setting UTC=no doesn't solve this particular bug report. Using UTC=no has a big 
disadvantage right now  (see Bug #33968), but I can work around that bug for 
the timne being as well (restarting networking does the trick).

This bug report is about a inconsistency in handling time services with 
UTC=yes. This inconsistency might be related to bug #33968, but up to now, I 
don't have any evidence for this.

Regards

Erich Pawlik




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