[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

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This bug was fixed in the package gnome-settings-daemon -
2.29.5-0ubuntu1

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gnome-settings-daemon (2.29.5-0ubuntu1) lucid; urgency=low

  * New upstream version (LP: #508216)
- Fix variant handling in $GDM_KEYBOARD_LAYOUT (Martin Pitt) (#596897)
- Tighten check for XInput (Jens Granseuer)
- Fix bluriness in level bar, and popup (Bastien Nocera) (#567249)
- Remove unused variable (Bastien Nocera) (#599904)
- Honour libexecdir when spawning gsd-locate-pointer (Jens Granseuer)
  (#599209)
- Allow left-handed setting for touchpads (Peter Hutterer) (LP: #479968)
- Use a rounded instead of curved rectangle (William Jon McCann)
- Improve the media keys overlay design (William Jon McCann) (#596136)
- Add brightness to the media-keys popup (Bastien Nocera) (#599677)
- Fix for GSEAL goal (Bastien Nocera) (#599861)
- Avoid volumes going over 100% (Bastien Nocera) (#600770)
- Make OSD display more generic (Bastien Nocera) (#600951)
- Support loading -rtl and -ltr variants of icons (Bastien Nocera)
  (#600984)
- Relicense gsd-media-keys-window.[ch] to LGPL (Bastien Nocera) (#600986)
- Hide the status icon before unreffing it (Matthias Clasen) (#601696)
- Make eject behave better on OpenBSD (Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse)
  (#598573)
- Export libexecdir in .pc file (DJ Lucas) (#596388)
- Run gnome-color-manager apply program when the outputs change
  (Richard Hughes)
- Factor out function to get keycodes from keysym names (Federico Mena
  Quintero)
- Handle the XF86RotateWindows hotkey by rotating a laptop's display
  (Federico Mena Quintero)
- Respond to monitor configuration changes when in charge (Matthias
  Clasen) (#601203)
- Filter invalid layouts before looking for the index of one passed by
  gdm (Vincent Untz) (#585868)
- Add linsysfs to list of virtual filesystems (Coleman Kane) (#604396)
- Remove sleep keybindings (Bastien Nocera) (LP: #490704, GNOME: #170175)
- Start an on-screen-display window (OSD) (Federico Mena Quintero)
- Split the composited and non-composited code for the expose-event
  handler (Federico Mena Quintero)
- Use a hand-drawn frame instead of a GtkBuilder frame (Federico Mena
  Quintero)
- Using GkbdStatus for the automatic notification icon (Sergey V.
  Udaltsov) (LP: #498839)
- Implement popup menu for the notification icon (Sergey V. Udaltsov)
- Add extra API required by GsdMediaKeysWindow (Federico Mena Quintero)
- Add timed exit option (William Jon McCann)
- Fixes for new libxklavier (Sergey V. Udaltsov)
  * debian/control:
- Bump libxklavier-dev build-dep to >= 5.0
- Bump libgnomekbd-dev build-dep to >= 2.29.5
  * Refreshed patches:
- 02_fix_randr.patch
- 02_missing_libs.patch
- 30_pkgconfig-path.patch
- 70_migrate_touchpad_config.patch
- 90_autoreconf.patch
  * Dropped patches merged upstream:
- 03_gdm_keyboard_variant_handling.patch
- 91_gsd_locate_pointer_path_fix.patch
  * Re-written 16_use_synchronous_notifications.patch - the patch now has
the more generic parts split in to plugins/common, as the xrandr plugin
may use this code in the future. The code can also be shared with other
packages
 -- Chris CoulsonSun, 17 Jan 2010 18:45:07 +

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Chris Coulson]

This keyboard applet has been removed completely in Lucid, and replaced
with a status indicator shipped with gnome-settings-daemon instead.
Because it is no longer a panel applet, it has the ability to show/hide
automatically (and I believe it already does that). This will be
uploaded to Lucid tomorrow.

** Package changed: gnome-panel (Ubuntu) => gnome-settings-daemon
(Ubuntu)

** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Fix Committed

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Simos Xenitellis]

Based on #8, I reply to #7:

According to http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2009/12/27/gnome-keyboard-
applet-as-good-as-gone/ the bug reports 1 and 2 are now invalidated,
which means that in the new GNOME, the new keyboard indicator will be
present automatically when the user has selected more than one layouts.
It solves problems.

What is left is to check again with a 10.04 alpha/beta 
a. the default keyboard layout settings when someone installs Ubuntu with Greek 
locale
(run  gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd  and report back 
the result)
b. identify the package that configures the layout during installation. I keep 
asking to be reminded of this. Can I haz a link to the configuration file that 
shows the default keyboard layout installation settings for Greek?
c. if someone installs Ubuntu with default locale (English), what are the steps 
to add the Greek layout. We want to establish that, in usability terms, the 
user is more likely to get it right than not.

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Re: [Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Jennie Petoumenou]

Καλημέρα και Χρόνια Πολλά σε όλους,

γνωρίζει κανείς τι ακριβώς παίζει με αυτή την ανακοίνωση ότι πρόκειται να
αντικατασταθεί το keyboard indicator applet:
http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/;

Επίσης, έκανα συνδρομή της ελληνικής loco στα bug
460328και
401497,
που αφορούν το θέμα 3. που αναφέρει ο Σίμος παρακάτω. (Αν κάποιος πιστεύει
ότι ένα από τα δύο πρέπει να σημειωθεί ως duplicate, ας το κάνει.)
Και μία γενική παρατήρηση. Τα bug που αφορούν την Ελληνική διάταξη συνήθως
αφορούν και όλες τις άλλες γλώσσες που χρησιμοποιούν αλφάβητο, αλλά όχι το
λατινικό αλφάβητο. Π.χ. Ρώσικα, Σέρβικα, Εβραϊκά. Μήπως λοιπόν στα bug που
αναφέρουμε θα έπρεπε να μιλάμε για non-latin keyboard layouts και να βάζουμε
το Greek στα tags; Γιατί, όπως και να το κάνουμε, υπάρχουν πολλοί
περισσότεροι Ρώσοι χρήστες από ότι Έλληνες.

Τζένη

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Simos Xenitellis
wrote:

> These are three bug reports.
>
> 1. The keyboard indicator applet should be configured to be activated
> through installation, when the installer is about to setup more than one
> keyboard layouts.
>
> 2. This is also an upstream issue, and we should link to a bug report in
> bugzilla.gnome.org, under Product: gnome-applets, Component: keyboard
> indicator  Either an existing report on this issue, or a new bug report.
> The rational here is that we want any action that adds a second (or more)
> keyboard layouts, should trigger the keyboard indicator to show up on the
> task bar.
>
> 3. When you install Ubuntu 9.10 with Greek support, the default layouts
> are "us,gr" and "gr". This is messy and should be fixed. The user
> iterates between "us, gr, gr" when switching layouts, which obviously is
> messy.
>
> NB: When you install Linux with Greek keyboard layouts, you select the
> "Greek" layout instead of "Greek Extended". We do not use "Greek Extended"
> anymore. "Greek" is now a superset of "Greek Extended". Thus, when you
> install Ubuntu Linux, you do not change the default during the Keyboard
> layout step.
> We tell everyone to make installations with the "Greek" keyboard layout.
> For more, see http://simos.info/blog/archives/888
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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Simos Xenitellis]

These are three bug reports.

1. The keyboard indicator applet should be configured to be activated
through installation, when the installer is about to setup more than one
keyboard layouts.

2. This is also an upstream issue, and we should link to a bug report in 
bugzilla.gnome.org, under Product: gnome-applets, Component: keyboard indicator 
 Either an existing report on this issue, or a new bug report.
The rational here is that we want any action that adds a second (or more) 
keyboard layouts, should trigger the keyboard indicator to show up on the task 
bar.

3. When you install Ubuntu 9.10 with Greek support, the default layouts
are "us,gr" and "gr". This is messy and should be fixed. The user
iterates between "us, gr, gr" when switching layouts, which obviously is
messy.

NB: When you install Linux with Greek keyboard layouts, you select the "Greek" 
layout instead of "Greek Extended". We do not use "Greek Extended" anymore. 
"Greek" is now a superset of "Greek Extended". Thus, when you install Ubuntu 
Linux, you do not change the default during the Keyboard layout step.
We tell everyone to make installations with the "Greek" keyboard layout.
For more, see http://simos.info/blog/archives/888

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Konstantinos Togias]

I support greek ubuntu newcomers in a regular base. It is really
frustration for greek (and I suppose other non-latin users) to have to
manually add the keyboard indicator applet in order to  easily access
layout options and be able to know what the current layout is. It would
be a significant step towards fixing bug #1 to have keyboard indicator
added automatically to panel from the installation script when greek (or
another non-latin layout) language is selected during installation.

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Epirotes]

And what Alkis Goergopoulos said; he has my full support.

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Epirotes]

It's definitely a bug and should be corrected asap or for 10.04. The bug
is that although I select Greek language and Greek Extended keyboard
layout and although it downloads and installs some language support
files during installation, after the installation there is only one
keyboard layout available, namely English US for me. I had to add the
Greek Extended layout manually myself. The keyboard indicator applet
never showed up before and I always had to add it to the bar myself
manually, so I am not sure how it is supposed to behave in 9.10.

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Alkis Georgopoulos]

Adding the applet may be an easy thing to do in single user systems,
but it isn't easy when you have hundreds of students in primary or even 
secondary schools.

Please add the applet automatically when more than one keyboard layouts
are active.

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Thanos Lefteris]

The indicator applet should be added to the panel automatically after
installation, ONLY if the user has selected during installation a
different keyboard layout. So the applet shouldn't be there by default
for all installs. Other operating systems, such as Windows do this, and
users migrating from there expect this behavior. From my experiences
with new Ubuntu users, they are having difficulty adding the applet them
selfs, because it's not well advertised that you can add additional
applets in the panel. It's kind of a hidden feature. Also the keyboard
configuration app, doesn't provide a way to add the applet or mention of
its availability.

You are right Pedro that it has never been there, so consider this bug a
wishlist item. Tell me if you need additional details.

Thanks

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Pedro Villavicencio]

so the bug is that the indicator applet is not there by default? it has
never been there.

** Changed in: gnome-panel (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Low

** Changed in: gnome-panel (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Incomplete

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[Bug 498839] Re: No keyboard indicator applet shown after install with Greek kb

[Thanos Lefteris]

** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: gnome-panel
  
  Steps to reproduce:
  
  1) During installation from the Ubuntu 9.10 desktop live cd, select Greek as 
a language for installation
  2) Select the Greek keyboard layout in appropriate installation step
  2) Finish installation and reboot into the newly installed system
  
  What I expected to happen:
  
   - See a keyboard indicator applet so that I can see what layout is
  active and also change language with the mouse.
  
  What actually happened:
  
   - No keyboard indicator applet shown in the panel. The user has to
- figure out how to do it her self. There are two keyboard layouts
- configured in the system automatically (Greek and English), but no
- intuitive way to switch between them.
+ figure out how to do it herself.  No Greek layout has also been added,
+ but I have reported it as a separate bug
+ https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/498856

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