Re: [Bug 586660] Re: Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume
I am *not* arguing that zero volume and mute should be the same. I am arguing that, when the speaker is mute, and the user requests to *increase* the volume, that that increase should be assumed to mean from zero volume, because, at that point, there is no sound, and the term increase is relative. If, instead, the user *unmuted*, then the volume should be the previous volume before it was muted. The question here is: The user wants an increase relative to what? To which we have three possible answers: 1) Relative to the previous sound before unmuting - PA's current approach 2) Relative to the current sound (i.e. zero volume) - My proposal 3) Unrelated because mute is the restrictive binary for the prescriptive vector volume. - Alsamixer's approach As a counterargument, if both volume and mute worked independently as Dana is describing, then I should be able to increase and decrease the volume without unmuting. That is not currently the case. If I mute either through keys or by clicking mute then the volume control becomes disabled. As another example of consistency, alsamixer does allow you to modify the volume when muted. Mute and volume are therefore independent. In my humble opinion, both zero volume and alsamixer's approach are consistent when talking about increasing. In the case of alsamixer, the user is able to decrease the volume prior to unmuting because mute and volume work independently, thereby avoiding the situation where the user is incapable of reducing the sound *before* unmuting. Perhaps another way to argue this would be to say that disabling the volume control when muted is a bad idea because this creates a situation where the user is unable to avoid creating a loud noise (other than shutting down or pausing all applications that emit audio, which can be very difficult). Unnecessary noise, particularly loud noise, can be extremely inappropriate in some situations. This is what caused me to raise this bug, and why I am exceptionally passionate about it. I was placed in an embarrassing enough situation to avoid using PA altogether and instead use alsamixer...but that's because I knew it was there and how to use it. I'm more concerned that small things like this affect new users perspective of the whole graphical operating environment. -- Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/586660 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-media in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 586660] Re: Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume
I disagree. Just because something is consistent, that doesn't mean it is sensible or intuitive. That may be true, but it's far more likely to find something INconsistent, confusing and counter-intuitive. I would likely find it impossible to adapt to your desired behavior. Every device I've ever seen, that has a mute feature (this excludes iPods and such, since they only have zero volume), tends to unmute when you press volume-up, as well as stepping up one from the previous volume. Also, for an argument of why zero volume and mute should NOT be the same: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings- daemon/+bug/332081 -- Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/586660 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-media in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 586660] Re: Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume
** Package changed: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) = gnome-media (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: gnome-media (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/586660 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-media in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 586660] Re: Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume
Even if the argument might make sense, the current behavior is consistent with every volume controller I know, e g the one on my TV, so I guess this is a won't fix. -- Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/586660 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-media in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 586660] Re: Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume
I disagree. Just because something is consistent, that doesn't mean it is sensible or intuitive. On 28/05/10 14:54, David Henningsson wrote: Even if the argument might make sense, the current behavior is consistent with every volume controller I know, e g the one on my TV, so I guess this is a won't fix. -- Increase volume after mute defaults to previous volume https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/586660 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-media in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
