[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2018-08-25 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: libcairo
   Status: Confirmed => Unknown

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2016-09-29 Thread madbiologist
The fix mentioned in comment #26 is included in poppler 0.43.0. Ubuntu
16.10 "Yakkety Yak" is scheduled for release on 20th October 2016 and
will contain poppler 0.44.0-3ubuntu2.

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2015-10-23 Thread dino99
# 633843 RESOLVED NOTGNOME

** Changed in: evince
   Importance: Low => Undecided

** Changed in: evince
   Status: Unknown => New

** Changed in: evince
 Remote watch: GNOME Bug Tracker #633843 => None

** Changed in: evince
   Status: New => Invalid

** Changed in: evince (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Invalid

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2014-09-17 Thread corax
This problem is still here in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS ... and it has become a serious 
matter.
More and more of my own customers are switching to Ubuntu, which is a positive 
thing IMO.  But with the increasing use of online web-services to handle 
billing, document exchanges and online-shopping ... more and more streaming-PDF 
files are being created on-the-fly as everyone is expected to be able to read 
that particular format.  But when people can't read the amount due on an 
invoice or the delivery-date on a webshopping receipt, because the 
font-rendering of the pre-installed document viewer in Ubuntu won't display 
them correctly (or sometimes not at all), it really becomes highly inconvenient 
for both regular users as well as more experienced user.  The Adobe Reader 
installation package is no longer available in ubuntu 14.04's standard 
repositories, which was a go-to option for the more experienced user.
SO BUCKLE UP PEOPLE, let's see if we can't fix this issue.  And hopefully 
before we use a couple of gigabytes on the web in forum- and chatlogs about the 
subject of creating temporary fixes and work-arounds of such a basic thing.

best of luck to all

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2012-11-04 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: evince
   Status: New = Unknown

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2012-02-15 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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On 2011-04-24T04:12:11+00:00 rusivi2 wrote:

Created attachment 46013
PDF sample for Evince

Evince bug may be found at:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633843

Downstream bug may be found at:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/667752

In Maverick, Attachment PDF sample for Evince shows a discrepancy between how
it is displayed in evince versus acroread. Advised by Evince developer post bug 
here.

lsb_release -rd
Description: Ubuntu 10.10
Release: 10.10

apt-cache policy acroread
acroread:
  Installed: 9.4-1maverick1
  Candidate: 9.4-1maverick1
  Version table:
 *** 9.4-1maverick1 0
500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

apt-cache policy evince
evince:
  Installed: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
  Candidate: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
  Version table:
 *** 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

apt-cache policy libcairo2
libcairo2:
  Installed: 1.10.0-1ubuntu3
  Candidate: 1.10.0-1ubuntu3
  Version table:
 *** 1.10.0-1ubuntu3 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main i386 
Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 1.10.0-1ubuntu2 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evince/+bug/667752/comments/14


On 2012-02-15T10:57:57+00:00 Adrian Johnson wrote:

Created attachment 57075
adjust substitute font width using first character in each string

There are two problems here:
 1) The hello world text is too narrow
 2) The www.pdflib.com text has spike on each path segment.

The first problem is caused by the code that adjusts the size of text
drawn with a substituted font to match the width in the pdf file. This
code matches the width of the letter 'm' in the font with the width in
the pdf file. The problem in this case is the pdf file has bogus widths
for characters not used included the letter 'm'. The attached patch
fixes this by using the first letter of each string to set the font
size.

The second problem is a cairo bug. In this case the pdf file is stroking
the outline of a Type 3 font. Each glyph in the Type 3 font strokes a
path. Cairo needs to implement stroke to path to make this work
correctly.

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2011-12-11 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: cairo (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2011-04-27 Thread corax
There are still issues in Evince in the upcoming release 11.04 (beta2)

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2011-04-27 Thread rusivi2
** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: evince
  
- 1) lsb_release -rd
+ 1)
+ Natty:
+ lsb_release -rd
+ Description:  Ubuntu Natty (development branch)
+ Release:  11.04
+ 
+ Maverick:
+ lsb_release -rd
  Description: Ubuntu 10.10
  Release: 10.10
  
+ Lucid:
  Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx (amd64)
  
- 2) apt-cache policy evince
+ 2)
+ Natty:
+ apt-cache policy acroread
+ acroread:
+   Installed: 9.4.2-0natty1
+   Candidate: 9.4.2-0natty1
+   Version table:
+  *** 9.4.2-0natty1 0
+ 500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ natty/partner i386 Packages 
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+ 
+ apt-cache policy evince
  evince:
-   Installed: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
-   Candidate: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
+   Installed: 2.32.0-0ubuntu12.1
+   Candidate: 2.32.0-0ubuntu12.1
Version table:
-  *** 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 0
- 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
+  *** 2.32.0-0ubuntu12.1 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-proposed/main i386
+ Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+  2.32.0-0ubuntu12 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages
  
  apt-cache policy libcairo2
  libcairo2:
-   Installed: 1.10.0-1ubuntu3
-   Candidate: 1.10.0-1ubuntu3
+   Installed: 1.10.2-2ubuntu2
+   Candidate: 1.10.2-2ubuntu2
Version table:
-  *** 1.10.0-1ubuntu3 0
- 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main i386 
Packages
- 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
-  1.10.0-1ubuntu2 0
- 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
+  *** 1.10.2-2ubuntu2 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages 100 
/var/lib/dpkg/status
+ 
+ Maverick:
+ apt-cache policy evince
+ evince:
+   Installed: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
+   Candidate: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
+   Version table:
+  *** 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
+ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+ 
+ apt-cache policy libcairo2
+ libcairo2:
+   Installed: 1.10.0-1ubuntu3
+   Candidate: 1.10.0-1ubuntu3
+   Version table:
+  *** 1.10.0-1ubuntu3 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main i386 
Packages
+ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+  1.10.0-1ubuntu2 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
  
  apt-cache policy acroread
  acroread:
-   Installed: 9.4-1maverick1
-   Candidate: 9.4-1maverick1
-   Version table:
-  *** 9.4-1maverick1 0
- 500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 
Packages
- 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+   Installed: 9.4-1maverick1
+   Candidate: 9.4-1maverick1
+   Version table:
+  *** 9.4-1maverick1 0
+ 500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 
Packages
+ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  
  3) When viewing PDF attachment PDF sample for Evince, which has font
  Times Roman or Helvetica, the text looks different in Evince in
  comparison to Adobe Reader.
  
  4) What is expected is that it looks the same in both.
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: evince 2.30.3-0ubuntu1.1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-25.45-generic 2.6.32.21+drm33.7
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-25-generic x86_64
  Architecture: amd64
  Date: Thu Oct 28 13:51:21 2010
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Release Candidate amd64 
(20100419.1)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANG=en_DK.utf8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: evince

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2011-04-25 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: libcairo
   Status: Unknown = Confirmed

** Changed in: libcairo
   Importance: Unknown = Low

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2011-04-23 Thread rusivi2
** Also affects: cairo (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #36536
   http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36536

** Also affects: libcairo via
   http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36536
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2011-04-23 Thread rusivi2
** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: evince
  
- When viewing PDF files with text that uses the fonts Times Roman or
- Helvetica, the text looks bad and sometimes unreadable.  The same
- files opened and displayed in Acrobat Reader (acroread) or XPdf (xpdf)
- shows the fonts perfectly.  As some of the text is completely unreadable
- and Evince being the default PDF viewer in Ubuntu its become a serious
- bug.  I hope that someone out there can help.
+ 1) lsb_release -rd
+ Description: Ubuntu 10.10
+ Release: 10.10
  
- I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx (amd64)
- (The same bug is still present in Maverick)
+ Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx (amd64)
+ 
+ 2) apt-cache policy evince
+ evince:
+   Installed: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
+   Candidate: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
+   Version table:
+  *** 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
+ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+ 
+ apt-cache policy libcairo2
+ libcairo2:
+   Installed: 1.10.0-1ubuntu3
+   Candidate: 1.10.0-1ubuntu3
+   Version table:
+  *** 1.10.0-1ubuntu3 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main i386 
Packages
+ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+  1.10.0-1ubuntu2 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
+ 
+ apt-cache policy acroread
+ acroread:
+   Installed: 9.4-1maverick1
+   Candidate: 9.4-1maverick1
+   Version table:
+  *** 9.4-1maverick1 0
+ 500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 
Packages
+ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+ 
+ 3) When viewing PDF attachment PDF sample for Evince, which has font
+ Times Roman or Helvetica, the text looks different in Evince in
+ comparison to Adobe Reader.
+ 
+ 4) What is expected is that it looks the same in both.
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: evince 2.30.3-0ubuntu1.1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-25.45-generic 2.6.32.21+drm33.7
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-25-generic x86_64
  Architecture: amd64
  Date: Thu Oct 28 13:51:21 2010
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Release Candidate amd64 
(20100419.1)
  ProcEnviron:
-  LANG=en_DK.utf8
-  SHELL=/bin/bash
+  LANG=en_DK.utf8
+  SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: evince

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2011-03-08 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: evince
   Importance: High = Low

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2011-03-07 Thread corax
The problem/issue still exists .. both in Lucid and in Maverick.
Are there any news, development or timetable in regards to this bug?

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-11-14 Thread steffmeister
Sorry for making some noise if this does not fit here, but I have a PDF
where fonts seem also to be missing, I attach it, maybe it can be
helpful.

** Attachment added: GranTurismo5_CourseList_EN GT5 Course List.pdf
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/667752/+attachment/1733175/+files/GranTurismo5_CourseList_EN%20GT5%20Course%20List.pdf

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-11-02 Thread rusivi2
In Maverick, Attachment PDF sample for Evince shows a discrepancy
between evince  acroread. Marking confirmed.

lsb_release -rd
Description:Ubuntu 10.10
Release:10.10

apt-cache policy acroread
acroread:
  Installed: 9.4-1maverick1
  Candidate: 9.4-1maverick1
  Version table:
 *** 9.4-1maverick1 0
500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

apt-cache policy evince
evince:
  Installed: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
  Candidate: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
  Version table:
 *** 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

** Changed in: evince (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Confirmed

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-11-02 Thread C de-Avillez
** Changed in: evince (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-11-02 Thread rusivi2
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #633843
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633843

** Also affects: evince via
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633843
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-11-02 Thread C de-Avillez
** Changed in: evince (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-11-02 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: evince
   Status: Unknown = New

** Changed in: evince
   Importance: Unknown = High

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-11-01 Thread corax
I think I'm a bit closer in understanding the issue.  Thanx to Marcel's
PDF creations (thank you Marcel, very appreciated), I've had a file for
comparison.  As I suspected, there is an encoding-problem or maybe
rather an encoding-interpretation-problem.  When creating a PDF
through PostScript, the issue becomes ironed out, so this issue only
arises when creating PDFs directly (like on-demand, streaming PDF's on
the internet). My guess is that when Evince encounters an encoding that
hasn't been implemented or can't be read, it assumes the encoding should
be Identity-H (see the following links)

http://indesignsecrets.com/cid-identity-h-fonts-are-back.php

http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?33648-What-is-identity-H

Where as xPDF and Adobe Reader, either has the encoding implemented or assumes 
the encoding is Custom, but display it as Ansi.  Evince displays it as 
Identity-H an tries to draw the text/letters as some weird font or attached 
vector-graphics image.  So there is probably two issues ...one is the PDF 
creation, which is not always done beautifully ...two is the rendering, which 
doesn't always account for PDF-format discrepancies.
But either way, I would still recommend that the interpretation of 
discrepancies in Evince should be the same as Adobe Reader and xpdf. (even 
though I'm a believer of creating data-files according to their definition as 
agreed)

For further testing, you would proberly need to create a PDF that uses
the non-embedded fonts AND is created directly, without using any form
of PostScript. (I'll would suggest PDFLib - www.pdflib.com)

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-11-01 Thread corax
PDFLib had a java-library, so I took the liberty of creating a sample.
See for yourself an compare in Adobe Reader, xPDF and Evince.

** Attachment added: PDF sample for Evince
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/667752/+attachment/1719198/+files/hello.pdf

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-10-29 Thread Marcel Stimberg
Hi, 
I can't reproduce your issue here (Ubuntu 10.10). Attached is a 
(latex-generated) file with Times Roman and Helvetica but not using font 
embedding. The file renders fine.

** Attachment added: times_helvetica.pdf
   
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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-10-29 Thread corax
Thank you very much Marcel for you sample and your help.  Can you generate one 
more PDF that also includes the Helvetica-Bold font (type 1) ?.  So all three 
mentioned fonts are there. Just to be sure.
(and only if possible can you upload a PDF1.6-version as well... not important)

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-10-29 Thread Marcel Stimberg
Ok, the attached document contains all three fonts:
$ pdffonts times_helvetica_bold.pdf 
name type  emb sub uni object ID
 - --- --- --- -
HelveticaType 1no  no  no   9  0
Times-Roman  Type 1no  no  no   8  0
Helvetica-Bold   Type 1no  no  no  10  0

I don't know how to use latex and dvipdf to create a PDF 1.6 doc,
though.

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-10-28 Thread corax


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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-10-28 Thread corax
Here is an example1 of how a portion of a PDF-file is displayed in Adobe
Reader.  Showing it correctly.

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-10-28 Thread corax
Here is an example1 of how a portion of a PDF-file is displayed in
Evince. Showing it incorrectly.


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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-10-28 Thread rusivi2
corax, thank you for reporting this bug and helping to make Ubuntu
better.  In Maverick, opened a new OOo Writer document, created text
with Helvecta  Times New Roman fonts, exported as PDF, looks good in
both Adobe Reader  Evince (please see attached PDF file  screenshot).
As per our IRC discussion, please attach a PDF file that demonstrates
the reported problem and toggle the status to new. Marking incomplete.

lsb_release -rd
Description:Ubuntu 10.10
Release:10.10

apt-cache policy openoffice.org-writer
openoffice.org-writer:
  Installed: 1:3.2.1-7ubuntu1
  Candidate: 1:3.2.1-7ubuntu1
  Version table:
 *** 1:3.2.1-7ubuntu1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

apt-cache policy evince
evince:
  Installed: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
  Candidate: 2.32.0-0ubuntu1
  Version table:
 *** 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

apt-cache policy acroread
acroread:
  Installed: 9.4-1maverick1
  Candidate: 9.4-1maverick1
  Version table:
 *** 9.4-1maverick1 0
500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

** Attachment added: example.pdf  screenshot.png
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/667752/+attachment/1714454/+files/pdf-and-screenshot.tar.bz2

** Changed in: evince (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Incomplete

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[Bug 667752] Re: Non-embedded standard fonts in PDF files are not displayed/rendered correctly

2010-10-28 Thread corax
The best I can provide for now is info on the issue as I haven't been
able to find another online generated PDF file that doesn't use Embedded
fonts.

The Example.pdf you've attached to this issue is using Embedded-fonts ... AND 
... the embedded fonts are not Times Roman or Helvetica (only their linux 
substitutes). But if you can generate or create a PDF-document with the 
following three non-embedded fonts - Times Roman(type 1), Helvetica(type 1) 
and Helvetica-Bold(type 1) ... and show that all three texts inside the 
document are displayed the same in both Adobe Reader and Evince ... then the 
bug is something else.
However I'm not able to use OpenOffice Writer to create examples as it will 
embed the fonts and/or insert the substitute fonts.
If you have a method for generating PDFs, that can allow me to select the 
non-embedded fonts, then plz let me know and I'll make an example available in 
this bug-report.

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