[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Changed in: gtk Status: Unknown => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
could somebody try on jaunty and send it to bugzilla.gnome.org? ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Running Jaunty 9.04, fully updated as of Monday 18 May 2009. The Gnome project's decision to implement an unannounced (to the end user) separate compose key list shows mind-bogglingly poor judgment. As Jan Minář notes, compose is a powerful mechanism, and quite simple and easy to use as well. Gnome's alterations to this mechanism are confusing and counterproductive, and the GTK compose key list is incomplete in addition to being needlessly inconsistent with the original X11 compose key lists. For instance, Gnome for some unfathomable reason decided not to implement a/A or o/O with a macron. Following the X11 compose sequences for these, + - (hyphen) or _ (underscore) + a/A or o/O instead produces the same output as + ~ (tilde) + a/A or o/O. *Why* in the devil's briefcase did anyone think it makes sense to remove functionality in order to duplicate an already-extant separate key sequence? This oversight and apparent arrogance actually angers me. This would not be such an issue if it were possible to edit the compose key lists used by GTK -- but although the X11 lists can be edited, this is apparently *not* possible for GTK: "The ComposeKey sequences used by Gnome to enter special characters are hard coded into the program." (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable) *Why* hard-code these sequences? Being able to edit them is very useful, and this is precisely why these sequences are editable for X11. Yet Gnome seems to be following the same "we know better than you" mentality evinced by the much-despised Microsoft. - Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" does *NOT* work usefully on my machine. It does prevent the Gnome compose key sequences from working, but it also means that my compose key settings in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout Options are also ignored. Due to my keyboard (a Dell multimedia version, no right Win key, for instance), I therefore cannot seem to find the X11 compose key, and setting the XkbOption as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey does not seem to work (I do log out and restart the X server each time I change settings, so that's not the issue). Consequently, I can either use Gnome's incomplete and confusing compose key options, or none at all. This is completely unacceptable. - I thought the whole point of the freedesktop.org initiative was to *unify* desktop functionality. Gnome's go-it-alone approach with how the compose key works is incredibly frustrating. I will definitely be posting to bugzilla.gnome.org. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Did my best to report on this issue. It sounds like Gnome is struggling to integrate older compose key sequences with the X11 lists, and these bugs are cropping up due to list disagreement. Judging from the bug report discussion, hopefully these issues will be shaken out before too much longer. More details at: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #557420 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Also affects: gtk via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" worked well on Ubuntu 8.04. Wish it was the default setting, to make the GTK applications consistent with everything else. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
The compose tables should be unified, also with the Linux virtual console compose tables. The compose mechanism is a very powerful one, and this schism is contra-productive. I should not have to think carefully before I can type my own surname. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Not with Firefox, but with other applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal, there *is* a graphical way to change your input method temporarily to the X input method. Right-click (if your pointing device is set for right-handedness :^]) in the text input field, and choose Input Methods and then X Input Method (or Input Methods and then System to return to the GNOME input method). With the X input method, if your locale allows it, you will be able to enter “ (LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK) by tapping Compose·<·" (or Compose·"·<), but you won’t be able to enter it by tapping Ctrl+Shift+U·2·0·1·C·Space. This setting will persevere for this one application session. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Also bitten by this one. GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" fixes the problem. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Appears for me on Intrepid, GTK_IM_MODULE is scim-bridge. Setting it to xim removes compose key support completely. However, the bug wasn't present on this system when using Ubuntu Hardy, and is hence a regression. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
If there is a need to standardise Compose key sequences, perhaps this could be forwarded to or taken up by freesdesktop.org? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
I had some troubles with c cedilla (like Ç, instead Ć). In Brazil we type ' + c (acute plus c) to do ć. But when running Firefox32 with Kubuntu 64 bits, GTK fails to load the 32 bit cedilla IM module. GTK always load the 64 bit module version. I workaround it changing the internal references to the string "cedilla" from the im-cedilla.so 32 bit version to "cedil32" and setting the environment variable GTK_IM_MODULE to cedil32 (only to Firefox32 - I change its script). Also I include the im-cedil32.so into the 64 bit GTK IM module configuration file: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules I include the following two lines: "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-cedil32.so" "cedil32" "Cedil32" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gvct:sq:tr:wa:en:us" Now after many search and trying, I can type '+c to get ć More details at: http://www.marciowb.net/blog/2008/07/c-acentuado-vs-c-cedilha-no-firefox32 Regards, Marcio Wesley Borges http://www.marciowb.net/blog -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Seems to be a wishlist item rather than a bug. ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: None => gtk+2.0 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
So, is there any official decision made about which system Ubuntu should adhere to? The X11 compose sequences, or the Gnome/GtkComposeTable. Or is GTK just being followed, because Ubuntu uses Gnome per default... Choosing GtkComposeTable obviously confuses some users. It also seems less complete, but perhaps some sequences in it are more straightforward than in the X11 counterpart. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable in GTK applications confuses some users, because compose sequences then work differently depending on the application's GUI framework. A kind of low-level distinction of applications, that I believe the general user not should need to make. Shouldn't it work the same way everywhere? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Daniel, I agree with you that it should work the same for the user on all applications, but I'm not sure who is responsible for making this sort of decision. This is, in my opinion, against the Ubuntu design principle of "There should be exactly one recommended way to accomplish a task". ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable would be fine with me, if the missing characters were included (I'm missing lower opening and upper closing double quotes most desperately). In the current state I would consider this a bug, and I would appreciate any suggestions for disabling this behaviour. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
mkluwe: A quick fix for that seems to be to put the following into ~/.gnomerc: export GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" GTK will then use the X11 compose sequences, which has <,> and <">, that you want. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Though someone metioned that this didn't work for him, it did for me. Thank you for the hint. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
The compose tables should be unified, also with the Linux virtual console compose tables. The compose mechanism is a very powerful one, and this schism is contra-productive. I should not have to think carefully before I can type my own surname. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Not with Firefox, but with other applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal, there *is* a graphical way to change your input method temporarily to the X input method. Right-click (if your pointing device is set for right-handedness :^]) in the text input field, and choose Input Methods and then X Input Method (or Input Methods and then System to return to the GNOME input method). With the X input method, if your locale allows it, you will be able to enter “ (LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK) by tapping Compose·<·" (or Compose·"·<), but you won’t be able to enter it by tapping Ctrl+Shift+U·2·0·1·C·Space. This setting will persevere for this one application session. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
If there is a need to standardise Compose key sequences, perhaps this could be forwarded to or taken up by freesdesktop.org? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Also bitten by this one. GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" fixes the problem. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Appears for me on Intrepid, GTK_IM_MODULE is scim-bridge. Setting it to xim removes compose key support completely. However, the bug wasn't present on this system when using Ubuntu Hardy, and is hence a regression. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
I had some troubles with c cedilla (like Ç, instead Ć). In Brazil we type ' + c (acute plus c) to do ć. But when running Firefox32 with Kubuntu 64 bits, GTK fails to load the 32 bit cedilla IM module. GTK always load the 64 bit module version. I workaround it changing the internal references to the string "cedilla" from the im-cedilla.so 32 bit version to "cedil32" and setting the environment variable GTK_IM_MODULE to cedil32 (only to Firefox32 - I change its script). Also I include the im-cedil32.so into the 64 bit GTK IM module configuration file: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules I include the following two lines: "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-cedil32.so" "cedil32" "Cedil32" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gvct:sq:tr:wa:en:us" Now after many search and trying, I can type '+c to get ć More details at: http://www.marciowb.net/blog/2008/07/c-acentuado-vs-c-cedilha-no-firefox32 Regards, Marcio Wesley Borges http://www.marciowb.net/blog -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" worked well on Ubuntu 8.04. Wish it was the default setting, to make the GTK applications consistent with everything else. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Seems to be a wishlist item rather than a bug. ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: None => gtk+2.0 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
So, is there any official decision made about which system Ubuntu should adhere to? The X11 compose sequences, or the Gnome/GtkComposeTable. Or is GTK just being followed, because Ubuntu uses Gnome per default... Choosing GtkComposeTable obviously confuses some users. It also seems less complete, but perhaps some sequences in it are more straightforward than in the X11 counterpart. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable in GTK applications confuses some users, because compose sequences then work differently depending on the application's GUI framework. A kind of low-level distinction of applications, that I believe the general user not should need to make. Shouldn't it work the same way everywhere? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Daniel, I agree with you that it should work the same for the user on all applications, but I'm not sure who is responsible for making this sort of decision. This is, in my opinion, against the Ubuntu design principle of "There should be exactly one recommended way to accomplish a task". ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable would be fine with me, if the missing characters were included (I'm missing lower opening and upper closing double quotes most desperately). In the current state I would consider this a bug, and I would appreciate any suggestions for disabling this behaviour. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
mkluwe: A quick fix for that seems to be to put the following into ~/.gnomerc: export GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" GTK will then use the X11 compose sequences, which has <,> and <">, that you want. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Though someone metioned that this didn't work for him, it did for me. Thank you for the hint. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Also affects: gtk via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Changed in: gtk Status: Unknown => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
could somebody try on jaunty and send it to bugzilla.gnome.org? ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Running Jaunty 9.04, fully updated as of Monday 18 May 2009. The Gnome project's decision to implement an unannounced (to the end user) separate compose key list shows mind-bogglingly poor judgment. As Jan Minář notes, compose is a powerful mechanism, and quite simple and easy to use as well. Gnome's alterations to this mechanism are confusing and counterproductive, and the GTK compose key list is incomplete in addition to being needlessly inconsistent with the original X11 compose key lists. For instance, Gnome for some unfathomable reason decided not to implement a/A or o/O with a macron. Following the X11 compose sequences for these, + - (hyphen) or _ (underscore) + a/A or o/O instead produces the same output as + ~ (tilde) + a/A or o/O. *Why* in the devil's briefcase did anyone think it makes sense to remove functionality in order to duplicate an already-extant separate key sequence? This oversight and apparent arrogance actually angers me. This would not be such an issue if it were possible to edit the compose key lists used by GTK -- but although the X11 lists can be edited, this is apparently *not* possible for GTK: "The ComposeKey sequences used by Gnome to enter special characters are hard coded into the program." (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable) *Why* hard-code these sequences? Being able to edit them is very useful, and this is precisely why these sequences are editable for X11. Yet Gnome seems to be following the same "we know better than you" mentality evinced by the much-despised Microsoft. - Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" does *NOT* work usefully on my machine. It does prevent the Gnome compose key sequences from working, but it also means that my compose key settings in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout Options are also ignored. Due to my keyboard (a Dell multimedia version, no right Win key, for instance), I therefore cannot seem to find the X11 compose key, and setting the XkbOption as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey does not seem to work (I do log out and restart the X server each time I change settings, so that's not the issue). Consequently, I can either use Gnome's incomplete and confusing compose key options, or none at all. This is completely unacceptable. - I thought the whole point of the freedesktop.org initiative was to *unify* desktop functionality. Gnome's go-it-alone approach with how the compose key works is incredibly frustrating. I will definitely be posting to bugzilla.gnome.org. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Did my best to report on this issue. It sounds like Gnome is struggling to integrate older compose key sequences with the X11 lists, and these bugs are cropping up due to list disagreement. Judging from the bug report discussion, hopefully these issues will be shaken out before too much longer. More details at: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #557420 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Also bitten by this one. GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" fixes the problem. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Appears for me on Intrepid, GTK_IM_MODULE is scim-bridge. Setting it to xim removes compose key support completely. However, the bug wasn't present on this system when using Ubuntu Hardy, and is hence a regression. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Changed in: gtk Status: Unknown => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Running Jaunty 9.04, fully updated as of Monday 18 May 2009. The Gnome project's decision to implement an unannounced (to the end user) separate compose key list shows mind-bogglingly poor judgment. As Jan Minář notes, compose is a powerful mechanism, and quite simple and easy to use as well. Gnome's alterations to this mechanism are confusing and counterproductive, and the GTK compose key list is incomplete in addition to being needlessly inconsistent with the original X11 compose key lists. For instance, Gnome for some unfathomable reason decided not to implement a/A or o/O with a macron. Following the X11 compose sequences for these, + - (hyphen) or _ (underscore) + a/A or o/O instead produces the same output as + ~ (tilde) + a/A or o/O. *Why* in the devil's briefcase did anyone think it makes sense to remove functionality in order to duplicate an already-extant separate key sequence? This oversight and apparent arrogance actually angers me. This would not be such an issue if it were possible to edit the compose key lists used by GTK -- but although the X11 lists can be edited, this is apparently *not* possible for GTK: "The ComposeKey sequences used by Gnome to enter special characters are hard coded into the program." (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable) *Why* hard-code these sequences? Being able to edit them is very useful, and this is precisely why these sequences are editable for X11. Yet Gnome seems to be following the same "we know better than you" mentality evinced by the much-despised Microsoft. - Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" does *NOT* work usefully on my machine. It does prevent the Gnome compose key sequences from working, but it also means that my compose key settings in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout Options are also ignored. Due to my keyboard (a Dell multimedia version, no right Win key, for instance), I therefore cannot seem to find the X11 compose key, and setting the XkbOption as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey does not seem to work (I do log out and restart the X server each time I change settings, so that's not the issue). Consequently, I can either use Gnome's incomplete and confusing compose key options, or none at all. This is completely unacceptable. - I thought the whole point of the freedesktop.org initiative was to *unify* desktop functionality. Gnome's go-it-alone approach with how the compose key works is incredibly frustrating. I will definitely be posting to bugzilla.gnome.org. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Did my best to report on this issue. It sounds like Gnome is struggling to integrate older compose key sequences with the X11 lists, and these bugs are cropping up due to list disagreement. Judging from the bug report discussion, hopefully these issues will be shaken out before too much longer. More details at: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #557420 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Also affects: gtk via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Not with Firefox, but with other applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal, there *is* a graphical way to change your input method temporarily to the X input method. Right-click (if your pointing device is set for right-handedness :^]) in the text input field, and choose Input Methods and then X Input Method (or Input Methods and then System to return to the GNOME input method). With the X input method, if your locale allows it, you will be able to enter “ (LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK) by tapping Compose·<·" (or Compose·"·<), but you won’t be able to enter it by tapping Ctrl+Shift+U·2·0·1·C·Space. This setting will persevere for this one application session. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
If there is a need to standardise Compose key sequences, perhaps this could be forwarded to or taken up by freesdesktop.org? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
I had some troubles with c cedilla (like Ç, instead Ć). In Brazil we type ' + c (acute plus c) to do ć. But when running Firefox32 with Kubuntu 64 bits, GTK fails to load the 32 bit cedilla IM module. GTK always load the 64 bit module version. I workaround it changing the internal references to the string "cedilla" from the im-cedilla.so 32 bit version to "cedil32" and setting the environment variable GTK_IM_MODULE to cedil32 (only to Firefox32 - I change its script). Also I include the im-cedil32.so into the 64 bit GTK IM module configuration file: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules I include the following two lines: "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-cedil32.so" "cedil32" "Cedil32" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gvct:sq:tr:wa:en:us" Now after many search and trying, I can type '+c to get ć More details at: http://www.marciowb.net/blog/2008/07/c-acentuado-vs-c-cedilha-no-firefox32 Regards, Marcio Wesley Borges http://www.marciowb.net/blog -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" worked well on Ubuntu 8.04. Wish it was the default setting, to make the GTK applications consistent with everything else. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
The compose tables should be unified, also with the Linux virtual console compose tables. The compose mechanism is a very powerful one, and this schism is contra-productive. I should not have to think carefully before I can type my own surname. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
could somebody try on jaunty and send it to bugzilla.gnome.org? ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Seems to be a wishlist item rather than a bug. ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: None => gtk+2.0 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
So, is there any official decision made about which system Ubuntu should adhere to? The X11 compose sequences, or the Gnome/GtkComposeTable. Or is GTK just being followed, because Ubuntu uses Gnome per default... Choosing GtkComposeTable obviously confuses some users. It also seems less complete, but perhaps some sequences in it are more straightforward than in the X11 counterpart. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable in GTK applications confuses some users, because compose sequences then work differently depending on the application's GUI framework. A kind of low-level distinction of applications, that I believe the general user not should need to make. Shouldn't it work the same way everywhere? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Daniel, I agree with you that it should work the same for the user on all applications, but I'm not sure who is responsible for making this sort of decision. This is, in my opinion, against the Ubuntu design principle of "There should be exactly one recommended way to accomplish a task". ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable would be fine with me, if the missing characters were included (I'm missing lower opening and upper closing double quotes most desperately). In the current state I would consider this a bug, and I would appreciate any suggestions for disabling this behaviour. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
mkluwe: A quick fix for that seems to be to put the following into ~/.gnomerc: export GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" GTK will then use the X11 compose sequences, which has <,> and <">, that you want. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Though someone metioned that this didn't work for him, it did for me. Thank you for the hint. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Also affects: gtk via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Changed in: gtk Status: Unknown => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
could somebody try on jaunty and send it to bugzilla.gnome.org? ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
The compose tables should be unified, also with the Linux virtual console compose tables. The compose mechanism is a very powerful one, and this schism is contra-productive. I should not have to think carefully before I can type my own surname. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Not with Firefox, but with other applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal, there *is* a graphical way to change your input method temporarily to the X input method. Right-click (if your pointing device is set for right-handedness :^]) in the text input field, and choose Input Methods and then X Input Method (or Input Methods and then System to return to the GNOME input method). With the X input method, if your locale allows it, you will be able to enter “ (LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK) by tapping Compose·<·" (or Compose·"·<), but you won’t be able to enter it by tapping Ctrl+Shift+U·2·0·1·C·Space. This setting will persevere for this one application session. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
If there is a need to standardise Compose key sequences, perhaps this could be forwarded to or taken up by freesdesktop.org? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Also bitten by this one. GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" fixes the problem. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Appears for me on Intrepid, GTK_IM_MODULE is scim-bridge. Setting it to xim removes compose key support completely. However, the bug wasn't present on this system when using Ubuntu Hardy, and is hence a regression. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
I had some troubles with c cedilla (like Ç, instead Ć). In Brazil we type ' + c (acute plus c) to do ć. But when running Firefox32 with Kubuntu 64 bits, GTK fails to load the 32 bit cedilla IM module. GTK always load the 64 bit module version. I workaround it changing the internal references to the string "cedilla" from the im-cedilla.so 32 bit version to "cedil32" and setting the environment variable GTK_IM_MODULE to cedil32 (only to Firefox32 - I change its script). Also I include the im-cedil32.so into the 64 bit GTK IM module configuration file: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules I include the following two lines: "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-cedil32.so" "cedil32" "Cedil32" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gvct:sq:tr:wa:en:us" Now after many search and trying, I can type '+c to get ć More details at: http://www.marciowb.net/blog/2008/07/c-acentuado-vs-c-cedilha-no-firefox32 Regards, Marcio Wesley Borges http://www.marciowb.net/blog -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" worked well on Ubuntu 8.04. Wish it was the default setting, to make the GTK applications consistent with everything else. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Seems to be a wishlist item rather than a bug. ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: None => gtk+2.0 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
So, is there any official decision made about which system Ubuntu should adhere to? The X11 compose sequences, or the Gnome/GtkComposeTable. Or is GTK just being followed, because Ubuntu uses Gnome per default... Choosing GtkComposeTable obviously confuses some users. It also seems less complete, but perhaps some sequences in it are more straightforward than in the X11 counterpart. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable in GTK applications confuses some users, because compose sequences then work differently depending on the application's GUI framework. A kind of low-level distinction of applications, that I believe the general user not should need to make. Shouldn't it work the same way everywhere? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Daniel, I agree with you that it should work the same for the user on all applications, but I'm not sure who is responsible for making this sort of decision. This is, in my opinion, against the Ubuntu design principle of "There should be exactly one recommended way to accomplish a task". ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable would be fine with me, if the missing characters were included (I'm missing lower opening and upper closing double quotes most desperately). In the current state I would consider this a bug, and I would appreciate any suggestions for disabling this behaviour. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
mkluwe: A quick fix for that seems to be to put the following into ~/.gnomerc: export GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" GTK will then use the X11 compose sequences, which has <,> and <">, that you want. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Though someone metioned that this didn't work for him, it did for me. Thank you for the hint. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Not with Firefox, but with other applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal, there *is* a graphical way to change your input method temporarily to the X input method. Right-click (if your pointing device is set for right-handedness :^]) in the text input field, and choose Input Methods and then X Input Method (or Input Methods and then System to return to the GNOME input method). With the X input method, if your locale allows it, you will be able to enter “ (LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK) by tapping Compose·<·" (or Compose·"·<), but you won’t be able to enter it by tapping Ctrl+Shift+U·2·0·1·C·Space. This setting will persevere for this one application session. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
If there is a need to standardise Compose key sequences, perhaps this could be forwarded to or taken up by freesdesktop.org? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Also bitten by this one. GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" fixes the problem. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Appears for me on Intrepid, GTK_IM_MODULE is scim-bridge. Setting it to xim removes compose key support completely. However, the bug wasn't present on this system when using Ubuntu Hardy, and is hence a regression. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
I had some troubles with c cedilla (like Ç, instead Ć). In Brazil we type ' + c (acute plus c) to do ć. But when running Firefox32 with Kubuntu 64 bits, GTK fails to load the 32 bit cedilla IM module. GTK always load the 64 bit module version. I workaround it changing the internal references to the string "cedilla" from the im-cedilla.so 32 bit version to "cedil32" and setting the environment variable GTK_IM_MODULE to cedil32 (only to Firefox32 - I change its script). Also I include the im-cedil32.so into the 64 bit GTK IM module configuration file: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules I include the following two lines: "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-cedil32.so" "cedil32" "Cedil32" "gtk20" "/usr/share/locale" "az:ca:co:fr:gvct:sq:tr:wa:en:us" Now after many search and trying, I can type '+c to get ć More details at: http://www.marciowb.net/blog/2008/07/c-acentuado-vs-c-cedilha-no-firefox32 Regards, Marcio Wesley Borges http://www.marciowb.net/blog -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Seems to be a wishlist item rather than a bug. ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: None => gtk+2.0 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
So, is there any official decision made about which system Ubuntu should adhere to? The X11 compose sequences, or the Gnome/GtkComposeTable. Or is GTK just being followed, because Ubuntu uses Gnome per default... Choosing GtkComposeTable obviously confuses some users. It also seems less complete, but perhaps some sequences in it are more straightforward than in the X11 counterpart. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable in GTK applications confuses some users, because compose sequences then work differently depending on the application's GUI framework. A kind of low-level distinction of applications, that I believe the general user not should need to make. Shouldn't it work the same way everywhere? -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Daniel, I agree with you that it should work the same for the user on all applications, but I'm not sure who is responsible for making this sort of decision. This is, in my opinion, against the Ubuntu design principle of "There should be exactly one recommended way to accomplish a task". ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Using GtkComposeTable would be fine with me, if the missing characters were included (I'm missing lower opening and upper closing double quotes most desperately). In the current state I would consider this a bug, and I would appreciate any suggestions for disabling this behaviour. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
mkluwe: A quick fix for that seems to be to put the following into ~/.gnomerc: export GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" GTK will then use the X11 compose sequences, which has <,> and <">, that you want. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Though someone metioned that this didn't work for him, it did for me. Thank you for the hint. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Also affects: gtk via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Changed in: gtk Status: Unknown => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
The compose tables should be unified, also with the Linux virtual console compose tables. The compose mechanism is a very powerful one, and this schism is contra-productive. I should not have to think carefully before I can type my own surname. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
could somebody try on jaunty and send it to bugzilla.gnome.org? ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" worked well on Ubuntu 8.04. Wish it was the default setting, to make the GTK applications consistent with everything else. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Running Jaunty 9.04, fully updated as of Monday 18 May 2009. The Gnome project's decision to implement an unannounced (to the end user) separate compose key list shows mind-bogglingly poor judgment. As Jan Minář notes, compose is a powerful mechanism, and quite simple and easy to use as well. Gnome's alterations to this mechanism are confusing and counterproductive, and the GTK compose key list is incomplete in addition to being needlessly inconsistent with the original X11 compose key lists. For instance, Gnome for some unfathomable reason decided not to implement a/A or o/O with a macron. Following the X11 compose sequences for these, + - (hyphen) or _ (underscore) + a/A or o/O instead produces the same output as + ~ (tilde) + a/A or o/O. *Why* in the devil's briefcase did anyone think it makes sense to remove functionality in order to duplicate an already-extant separate key sequence? This oversight and apparent arrogance actually angers me. This would not be such an issue if it were possible to edit the compose key lists used by GTK -- but although the X11 lists can be edited, this is apparently *not* possible for GTK: "The ComposeKey sequences used by Gnome to enter special characters are hard coded into the program." (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable) *Why* hard-code these sequences? Being able to edit them is very useful, and this is precisely why these sequences are editable for X11. Yet Gnome seems to be following the same "we know better than you" mentality evinced by the much-despised Microsoft. - Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" does *NOT* work usefully on my machine. It does prevent the Gnome compose key sequences from working, but it also means that my compose key settings in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout Options are also ignored. Due to my keyboard (a Dell multimedia version, no right Win key, for instance), I therefore cannot seem to find the X11 compose key, and setting the XkbOption as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey does not seem to work (I do log out and restart the X server each time I change settings, so that's not the issue). Consequently, I can either use Gnome's incomplete and confusing compose key options, or none at all. This is completely unacceptable. - I thought the whole point of the freedesktop.org initiative was to *unify* desktop functionality. Gnome's go-it-alone approach with how the compose key works is incredibly frustrating. I will definitely be posting to bugzilla.gnome.org. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Did my best to report on this issue. It sounds like Gnome is struggling to integrate older compose key sequences with the X11 lists, and these bugs are cropping up due to list disagreement. Judging from the bug report discussion, hopefully these issues will be shaken out before too much longer. More details at: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #557420 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Running Jaunty 9.04, fully updated as of Monday 18 May 2009. The Gnome project's decision to implement an unannounced (to the end user) separate compose key list shows mind-bogglingly poor judgment. As Jan Minář notes, compose is a powerful mechanism, and quite simple and easy to use as well. Gnome's alterations to this mechanism are confusing and counterproductive, and the GTK compose key list is incomplete in addition to being needlessly inconsistent with the original X11 compose key lists. For instance, Gnome for some unfathomable reason decided not to implement a/A or o/O with a macron. Following the X11 compose sequences for these, + - (hyphen) or _ (underscore) + a/A or o/O instead produces the same output as + ~ (tilde) + a/A or o/O. *Why* in the devil's briefcase did anyone think it makes sense to remove functionality in order to duplicate an already-extant separate key sequence? This oversight and apparent arrogance actually angers me. This would not be such an issue if it were possible to edit the compose key lists used by GTK -- but although the X11 lists can be edited, this is apparently *not* possible for GTK: "The ComposeKey sequences used by Gnome to enter special characters are hard coded into the program." (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable) *Why* hard-code these sequences? Being able to edit them is very useful, and this is precisely why these sequences are editable for X11. Yet Gnome seems to be following the same "we know better than you" mentality evinced by the much-despised Microsoft. - Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" does *NOT* work usefully on my machine. It does prevent the Gnome compose key sequences from working, but it also means that my compose key settings in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout Options are also ignored. Due to my keyboard (a Dell multimedia version, no right Win key, for instance), I therefore cannot seem to find the X11 compose key, and setting the XkbOption as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey does not seem to work (I do log out and restart the X server each time I change settings, so that's not the issue). Consequently, I can either use Gnome's incomplete and confusing compose key options, or none at all. This is completely unacceptable. - I thought the whole point of the freedesktop.org initiative was to *unify* desktop functionality. Gnome's go-it-alone approach with how the compose key works is incredibly frustrating. I will definitely be posting to bugzilla.gnome.org. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Did my best to report on this issue. It sounds like Gnome is struggling to integrate older compose key sequences with the X11 lists, and these bugs are cropping up due to list disagreement. Judging from the bug report discussion, hopefully these issues will be shaken out before too much longer. More details at: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #557420 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Also affects: gtk via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557420 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
** Changed in: gtk Status: Unknown => Confirmed -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
The compose tables should be unified, also with the Linux virtual console compose tables. The compose mechanism is a very powerful one, and this schism is contra-productive. I should not have to think carefully before I can type my own surname. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
could somebody try on jaunty and send it to bugzilla.gnome.org? ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 74360] Re: Several compose key combinations don't work
Running Jaunty 9.04, fully updated as of Monday 18 May 2009. The Gnome project's decision to implement an unannounced (to the end user) separate compose key list shows mind-bogglingly poor judgment. As Jan Minář notes, compose is a powerful mechanism, and quite simple and easy to use as well. Gnome's alterations to this mechanism are confusing and counterproductive, and the GTK compose key list is incomplete in addition to being needlessly inconsistent with the original X11 compose key lists. For instance, Gnome for some unfathomable reason decided not to implement a/A or o/O with a macron. Following the X11 compose sequences for these, + - (hyphen) or _ (underscore) + a/A or o/O instead produces the same output as + ~ (tilde) + a/A or o/O. *Why* in the devil's briefcase did anyone think it makes sense to remove functionality in order to duplicate an already-extant separate key sequence? This oversight and apparent arrogance actually angers me. This would not be such an issue if it were possible to edit the compose key lists used by GTK -- but although the X11 lists can be edited, this is apparently *not* possible for GTK: "The ComposeKey sequences used by Gnome to enter special characters are hard coded into the program." (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable) *Why* hard-code these sequences? Being able to edit them is very useful, and this is precisely why these sequences are editable for X11. Yet Gnome seems to be following the same "we know better than you" mentality evinced by the much-despised Microsoft. - Setting GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" does *NOT* work usefully on my machine. It does prevent the Gnome compose key sequences from working, but it also means that my compose key settings in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout Options are also ignored. Due to my keyboard (a Dell multimedia version, no right Win key, for instance), I therefore cannot seem to find the X11 compose key, and setting the XkbOption as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey does not seem to work (I do log out and restart the X server each time I change settings, so that's not the issue). Consequently, I can either use Gnome's incomplete and confusing compose key options, or none at all. This is completely unacceptable. - I thought the whole point of the freedesktop.org initiative was to *unify* desktop functionality. Gnome's go-it-alone approach with how the compose key works is incredibly frustrating. I will definitely be posting to bugzilla.gnome.org. -- Several compose key combinations don't work https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/74360 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
