RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Maybe it contributes to some percieved issues, but the main issue for me is that I have high resolution monitor combined with a high DPI mouse, while trying to grab a 1 pixel wide border. My setup is for gaming (in Windows), but I like linux too. -Original Message- Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009 5:50:54 pm To: jason.alden.ben...@gmail.com From: daniel bocard...@gmail.com Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) PLease check the following bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388160 It's quite possible that most of the troubles with resizing are in fact a manifestation of this bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
The ideal solution would indeed need to do this. I get this bug in Compiz, but I feel it can affect anybody. Maybe the cursor can stick/jump to the border after x seconds? Possibly with added special accessability benefit? -Original Message- Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:00:34 pm To: jason.alden.ben...@gmail.com From: daniel bocard...@gmail.com Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) Would it be possible to have a different border size depending on the display's DPI? That would help in this issue without using too much space on smaller screens. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Either 3 pixels farther out, or 5 across, whichever style lends to better habits. This should be tested in my opinion to minimize possible side effects. I would be happy to test if needed. -Original Message- Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:45:26 pm To: jason.alden.ben...@gmail.com From: daniel bocard...@gmail.com Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) That is an excellent idea, I think I have seen something just like that once (can't remember where though). To enhance the usability of the resizing border it would just need to stick to the border for a couple pixels worth of movement, say 3~5. That would allow one to stop at the border easily without becoming too bothersome during normal use. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I absolutely hate this bug. Am I weirdo too? Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. How many of those millions you think will go throught the process of registering here at launchpad and complain here? Not many, lots of them just dump OS as flawed or grind teeth. 30 fix requests is a huge number by my scales. I am sure that feature which requires user to digg through forums to find a fix for such a basic feature as resizing window is a bug and requires immediate correction. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 01:26, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to ping me personally. If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. I am not saying that this my reason for refusal but it is certainly a reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Josef Sábl -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I disagree, there should be a default setting that works for everyone. That is point of default settings, right? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 02:30, Adam Del Vecchio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *gtk not gtkrc -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 8:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to ping me personally. If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. I am not saying that this my reason for refusal but it is certainly a reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Josef Sábl -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
We will look into a fix. -Original Message- From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 3:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) Ubuntu aims to be usable by ordinary human beings and accessible to the disabled. This issue is hurting those goals as follows: (1) Usability: Windows (95 onwards), Mac OS and KDE all have the ability to change border thickness *because clicking on a thin border is a problem for some people*. Microsoft, Apple and the KDE team all added this feature for a reason, and don't require you to change theme to change the border thickness. Border thickness is not a problem for many people I'm sure, but Ubuntu is missing out on part of its target market. (2) Accessibility: some people have motor control disabilities, e.g. tremor in the hand - it's important for them that it's *really easy* to set a larger window border, even on a smaller monitor. Ubuntu has relatively good support for visually impaired users - why not for users with motor control problems? Note that elderly people often have problem controlling the mouse (if they are new to computer), which is another accessibility issue - if you are struggling to accurately position the mouse pointer, a small window border makes it harder still. (3) Look and Feel: People should be able to choose a nice theme that they like (or is accessible to them), and independently tweak the border thickness - what if you hate blue but the only theme with a thicker border is blue? More importantly, what if you are visually impaired *and* have motor control problems, so you need a high-contrast theme, yet the only themes with a wide border are low contrast. The fact that only 30 people have commented here is misleading - only a tiny percentage of those experiencing this problem will bother to find the right bug and register on Launchpad. It's very likely it's affecting tens to hundreds of thousands of people, assuming Ubuntu's user base of 6 million is correct. Finally, Ubuntu should be *better* than Mac OS, Windows, etc - this is one area where its GNOME flavour is behind the competition. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border [The entire original message is not included] -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Does this affect COMPIZ as well? -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) In any case, the bug would be against the metacity theme and not the gtk theme ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) Status: Invalid = New ** Changed in: human-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Kenneth, I agree, although there should be an app somewhere, possibly built into gtkrc that allows change to little details like this. -Original Message- From: Neil Broadley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 7:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) What resolution are you running at? Are you seriously suggestion that because YOU don't have a problem resizing, then everyone else who's filed against this bug must be wrong? You say that if I don't like the default, change it. How? How do you make grab borders bigger in Ubuntu? And what theme are you running that has 5px of border? Mine doesn't. 2px at the most here, using ClearLooks, although I've since changed it to Dust. Did you actually read ANY of the preceeding comments from the many, many people experiencing this problem? There are about 30 interested parties here I think. I'd really like to hear how to fix this - I've been waiting (and struggling) for over a year now. I'm also really confused about your last comment - you don't see the point of this bug anymore. What does that mean? -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
*gtk not gtkrc -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 8:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to ping me personally. If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. I am not saying that this my reason for refusal but it is certainly a reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Yes I agree. This is a major usability problem. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Bill Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the spam, but I just wanted to add my name to the list of people who have ALWAYS thought this was a problem ( going back to Ubuntu 6.06). -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Hello, I am having a little difficulty understanding your problem, but what I get to know from your email is that you are having problems setting up a new monitor and some other little resizing problems. You should check your graphic card and you might have to get a good graphic card to a higher resolution like the one you are using. Try ATI 4850 and also check that someone has not messed up the display settings that are on your monitor buttons, that might help you getting the borders you want. Sorry I wasn't able to help much, Vikram - Original Message From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:14:22 AM Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) This is a real pain on larger displays (e.g. mine is 1680x1050). It's also an accessibility issue - those with motor control problems may find it very hard to position the mouse to drag a window even on smaller displays such as 1280x1024 17 monitors. Having switched from KDE, where this is a simple configuration option and the first thing I set up, I'm really surprised that GNOME doesn't allow this. Windows has of course allowed this for a very long time, certainly Windows 95 if not Windows 3.1. Installing Emerald is reasonable workaround I suppose but that's hardly new user friendly - it would be much better if this was configurable. Having to search for a theme with wider borders is a pain, you might well end up with a theme you don't like for aesthetic reasons. As someone said, it's the small things that put you off when you are trying out Ubuntu for the first time. (I've used Ubuntu for a few years and Linux for ages but am setting up Ubuntu for an elderly relative who has some trouble with precise mouse movements.) -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
How about a couple pixels worth of thickness that are transparent. This way the metacity themes won't have to be bulky. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:41:33 + Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) Vikram: I don't think he has a problem with the resolution. I think he wants that resolution, but with thicker borders on all themes for the sake of accessibility, which is a perfectly reasonable request. I am bouncing ideas around in my head about how to fix this one. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 17:17 +, zarathustra wrote: I just started using Ubuntu as a Desktop instead of server (even just today). So coming from using Windows and OS X for so long, I find this a big deal also. A resize control that is part of theme and displayed in the bottom corner would make thing much easier. I've tried all other included themes and none seem any better. I've tried adjusing my mouse sensitivity but it would be too slow to make just window resizing easy. I would switch to something besides Metacity just because of this reason. Hi, If you don't like or you don't feel OK with the included themes, you may check this: http://gnome-look.org It contains a lot of ways to change the lookfeel of your desktop. For your problem, it may be better for you to use a theme which has a bigger window border. Take a look at gnome-look. You'll find metacity themes on the left side of the page. (click the link Metacity). To install the theme do the following: 1 - download the Metacity theme you like somewhere on your computer (lets say on Desktop) 2 - Open the theme manager: go to Main Menu-System-Preferences-Appearance (or Theme) 3 - Drag and drop the file you downloaded to the window (or click the install button and select the theme ) Don't be afraid to ask for further help when you need :) -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Hi, Use Alt+Middle Clic to resize from anywhere in the window. In Unix, windows manager does not draw inside the window, only outside (border, title, etc.). So only window with status bar have the resize handle at bottom. Regards, Étienne. -- E Ultreïa ! -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
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RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
The original bug suggested an extra transparent area added to the width which is a good idea to keep things functional and clean. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:04:56 + Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) It is relatively painless to change the dimensions of the surrounding border for themes. That said, you may end up with a gaudy looking heavy window, but I assume that you don't care about that. To change border widths, simply open up the theme's Metacity XML file. For example, Human's theme is located in /usr/share/themes/Human/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml The stanza in question should be apparent: distance name=left_width value=5/ distance name=right_width value=5/ distance name=bottom_height value=5/ Try mucking with the values until you get something you are happy with. Unfortuanately, resolution dependency still plagues much of Gnome. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is a bug contact for human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug contact for metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
