Re: [Bug 453072] Re: Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"
Michał Gołębiowski [2010-03-31 16:56 -]: > Who in the world will want to actually "remove" the CD-ROM drive? AFAIK > it would cause the drive to be unusable until a reboot so I cannot think > who would really want anything like that... Well, I do that, but indeed for CD-ROMs you can just yank the cable, there's nothing to be written for them. It's a more interesting option for iPods, card readers, etc. So for CD drives (which we can identify reliably) we might remove the "Safe removal" option. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453072 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 453072] Re: Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"
@ Michal I believe this relates specifically to removable, external USB devices and drives... Ethan 2010/3/31 Michał Gołębiowski : > @Martin Pitt >> It's a difference whether you want to eject the media in a >> drive, or disconnect the drive (for CD-ROMs, card readers, >> cameras, etc.) > > Who in the world will want to actually "remove" the CD-ROM drive? AFAIK > it would cause the drive to be unusable until a reboot so I cannot think > who would really want anything like that... > > -- > Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove > Drive" > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453072 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Fix Released > Status in Nautilus: Unknown > Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released > Status in “nautilus” source package in Lucid: Fix Released > > Bug description: > Binary package hint: nautilus > > I installed a daily Karmic build from my pendrive and just after rebooting I > wanted to remove the drive. > As you can see in the attached image, nautilus offers three different options > for what seems to be the same basic task for the average user. > > ProblemType: Bug > Architecture: i386 > Date: Fri Oct 16 14:43:59 2009 > DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10 > InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Alpha i386 (20091016) > Package: nautilus 1:2.28.0-0ubuntu7 > ProcEnviron: > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > SHELL=/bin/bash > ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-14.47-generic > SourcePackage: nautilus > Uname: Linux 2.6.31-14-generic i686 > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/453072/+subscribe > -- Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453072 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 453072] Re: Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"
For devices which actually have removable media, we still need both, though. It's a difference whether you want to eject the media in a drive, or disconnect the drive (for CD-ROMs, card readers, cameras, etc.) The upstream bug has some detailled information why we can't just use "safe removal" by default. -- Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453072 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 453072] Re: Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"
I wouldn't worry that you can't technically "Eject" a USB stick. If the user only sees "Eject", will the user think "technically I cannot eject a USB device because the USB port lacks the mechanism to forcefully remove the occupying plug, so I am not sure what to do at this point." Or, will the user be more confused if they see both "Eject" and "Safely Remove?" I think the latter case (both are shown) is more likely to confuse, therefore we should only show "Eject". For 10.10, we should find a better word than "Eject" -- something with good semantics for CDs and other media. -- Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453072 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 453072] Re: Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"
David Siegel [2010-03-31 8:42 -]: > In the case of external media, can we just show Eject instead of Eject > and Safely Remove? I don't think users will be confused if they Eject > their USB key and the port doesn't spit the key out :) We should just show "Safely Remove", since technically you can't "eject" an USB key. The problem is that almost all USB sticks out there lie and claim that they have removable media (which is why "eject" is shown in the first place). We do not currently know a way to second-guess/work around that, I'm afraid. -- Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453072 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 453072] Re: Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"
In the case of external media, can we just show Eject instead of Eject and Safely Remove? I don't think users will be confused if they Eject their USB key and the port doesn't spit the key out :) -- Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453072 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 453072] Re: Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"
That's not what I said. Users are of course free to use the terminal if they wish, I don't mean to prevent them from doing that; and as far as options are concerned, moderation is always better than starvation. I just think that applying the pattern of designing one interface for "normal users" and a different interface for "advanced users" is naive and will lead to a disjointed feeling desktop for all. -- Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453072 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
