Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-17 Thread Richard Stallman
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I found it interesting to think about it this way! We always think about
companies versus individuals, but I think most companies need to be
reminded that their Freedom matters too! Thanks for reminding me.

Free software is never a matter of companies vs individuals.
We're not against commercial software and never were.
We're against proprietary software.

It's true that most commercial software is proprietary,
and we're against it -- but not directly because it's commercial.
Meanwhile, some commercial programs are free, and we are
grateful for their development.

When you see someone contrasting free software with commercial
software, it is very important to set the confusion straight.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
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Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

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Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-17 Thread Matteo Settenvini

Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 19.10 -0400, Richard Stallman ha scritto:
 [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
 [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
 [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
 
 To Richard: I would like a clarification in this respect. If I use a
 non-free web service (for instance, a web service for which the source
 code to install it and run it locally is not available),
 
 I think it is a mistake to use the term non-free web service with
 that definition, because that question is not what makes a web
 service ethical or unethical.
 
 If the server does a job you could do in your own computer, even in
 principle, then it's SaaSS and it's bad.  Otherwise, the issues
 that make the service ethical or unethical are other issues.
 
 is it really different from linking to a proprietary library
 from my GPL program?
 
 Using a service run by someone else is like asking him to do a job for
 you.  If he uses nonfree software to do the job, that's his mistake
 and his loss.  We are sorry for him, but we don't need to boycott him
 because of that.
 
 Thus, for instance, we don't need to refuse to take the subway because
 the subway system has computers with Windows, or refuse to make a
 phone call because the phone exchange uses runs proprietary software,
 or refuse to make a connection across the Internet because it might
 pass through some routers that run nonfree software, or refuse to
 order t-shirts because the shirt company might use Windows to make
 shirts.  In these cases, we're not using that software -- the
 companies are using it.  If it's proprietary, the companies are the
 ones whose freedom is taken away.
 
 When you use someone else's service, you never have control over any
 software he uses to do your job.  If it's free software, he has
 control.  If it's proprietary, he doesn't have control (which is an
 injustice towards him).  But either way, you don't have control over it.
 That's the nature of a service -- but is it bad?
 
 In some cases, it is bad.  There are certain jobs that you shouldn't
 entrust to someone else's service, because you should have control
 over them.  Namely, these are the jobs you could do in your own
 computer.  Using a service for those jobs is SaaSS.
 
 If a given service is equivalent to calling a library in your
 computer, then it is SaaSS, so it is bad.  Even if the server runs
 only released free software, SaaSS is still bad.  In order to have
 control of this computing, you need to do it by calling a free library
 in your computer.  That's the way it should be done.
 
 But I don't think that applies to most of what GitHub or Savannah does.
 Those are communication activities.  You couldn't do them by calling
 a library in your own computer.  So it is ok to use services for that
 (but pay attention to the privacy issues).  However, it would be nice
 if we could do it in a peer-to-peer fashion.
 

Thank you for your kind and thorough answer. It was very helpful to me
to understand the issue better.

Wishing you a wonderful weekend,
-- 
Matteo Settenvini
FSF Associated Member
Email : mat...@member.fsf.org


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FSF Associated Member
Email : mat...@member.fsf.org


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Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-17 Thread Richard Stallman
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.

Its sad that there is a huge number out there who think Free Software
means $0 software.

I often say free/libre software to help clear this up.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

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