Reg. bug 704831
Hi, I have patched mutter to have a keyboard binding for the "Always on Top" window option. Can someone please review this patch? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704831 Thanks. -Sindhu ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: BlueZ 5 (was: Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze)
Hi, 2013-08-16 Kalev Lember : > Hi Dominique, > > Bastien Nocera, who's been leading the GNOME effort to switch to BlueZ 5 > is currently on vacation. I don't know all the details but I'll try to > reply with what I know. > > I'll add Gustavo Padovan to CC as well if he wants to add anything. > > In Fedora, we've decided to bite the bullet and switch to BlueZ 5, as of > three days ago. This is planned for the F20 release that's due in November. > > I've personally been aware of the plan for GNOME to switch to BlueZ 5 in > 3.10 for a while. But that's maybe because I do distro packaging and > follow release notes :) > > gnome-bluetooth 3.9.3 that switched to BlueZ 5 and dropped BlueZ 4 > support was released back in June, > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2013-June/msg00095.html . > > Several other GNOME related modules switched to BlueZ 5 at the same > time: gnome-control-center and gnome-shell. The switch might not have > been obvious though because things kept _building_ fine. We use BlueZ > through DBus, so the new gnome-bluetooth / gnome-shell / > gnome-control-center releases would only want BlueZ 5 at _runtime_. > > I sent a summary report about this to fedora-devel ML yesterday, and it > covers some other DE issues as well if you are interested, > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-August/187738.html > > Basically we have: > > ported: >gnome-bluetooth >gnome-shell >gnome-control-center > > ported, but no release yet: >pulseaudio (support in git, release supposed to come in September) >NetworkManager (patches currently in bugzilla) > > not getting ported for 3.10: >gnome-user-share The GNOME move to BlueZ 5 brought some issues with it, but I see it as necessary. BlueZ 4 is obsolete from a upstream point of view. It's been more than a year that no bugfixes is pushed to it. Also it doesn't support any of new fancy features. The issues I see are: * No HSP support(for VoIP calls) as of now. BMW was working on implementation for this but it is not upstream. The first proposal was rejected. * No support to enable/disable sharing of files over FTP. In Obexd it is always on by default and there is no way to disable it on runtime. To be honest quite few people use this profile these days, new phones doesn't support FTP. * No support to enable/disable receive of files through OPP. This affects basically fast user-switching and screen lock where we would like to disable OPP for that user. Two small patches, one in BlueZ, one in gnome-user-share can fix this. Personally I would I would remove the enable/disable option from the Sharing panel and have it always enabled. * NetworkManager: have only PAN support is completely fine for me, DUN is not supported by most of the new phones out there. The Bluetooth SIG will deprecate DUN at some point in the future. On the other hand we get support for many new features: * Bluetooth Low Energy devices (aka Bluetooth Smart), eg: the new bluetooth medical and fitness devices out there. * Message Access Profile, see evolution working with it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXLG47qvL4 * Phone Book Access Profile * Better Bluetooth Audio Support * Better Bluetooth core handling Gustavo ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]
On א', 2013-08-25 at 11:59 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 17:45 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > > Exactly how many maintainers have shown interest in this? > > fr33domlover, your passion for software freedom is admirable, Thanks. I hope it inspires someone here and there. > but even > RMS was all in favor of GitHub until he found out that they compress > their JavaScript. Yes, because he considered the technical definition of free software and a SaaS, ignoring the issue of centralization. Anyway I'm glad he cleared the software freedom points regarding GitHub. > (Frankly I don't think a fight against nonfree > JavaScript is a reasonable one for us to pick.) I really don't see this > taking off. No problems. I'm done expressing thoughts on this. It's not my decision to make (I'm not even a maintainer). I just wanted to express my opinion, and I'm thankful I was able to do it in a constructive discussion. > > Cheers, > > Michael Good luck with the new mirrors, I hope they help spread free software. fr33domlover ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]
On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 17:45 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > Exactly how many maintainers have shown interest in this? fr33domlover, your passion for software freedom is admirable, but even RMS was all in favor of GitHub until he found out that they compress their JavaScript. (Frankly I don't think a fight against nonfree JavaScript is a reasonable one for us to pick.) I really don't see this taking off. Cheers, Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:54 AM, fr33domlover wrote: > I'm not a module maintainer, just a community member trying to make sure > you don't make your relation to GitHub tighter than it already is. > >... > > I don't believe anyone has the right or the ability to decide what's > more important in the name of all the contributors to GNOME or the whole > community of users, which is why I suggest a switch: Let maintainers > turn off the mirroring. Let them decide how they fight centralization. > After all, they're the ones who do the actual work, not the few people > who make decisions. > > Straight people can fight for gay people's rights. And I can fight for > maintainers' rights. Exactly how many maintainers have shown interest in this? I think most of us are way too busy trying our best to make Free Software as awesome as we possibly can that we can't be bothered by such non-issues. As maintainer of some of the GNOME modules, I'm asking you to stop this please. I know you mean well and If you really want to help, I have like a gazillion things on my TODO list that most people on this list will agree are essential to world domination of GNOME (and therefore Free Software). Contact me privately and I can provide you with a list. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]
Hi. On 25.08.2013 10:54, fr33domlover wrote: > which is why I suggest a switch: Let maintainers > turn off the mirroring. I think it is safe to assume that your suggestion was heard. You are free to implement that. And in case it wasn't clear: You are very welcome to implement the relevant logic to push to more destinations to "fight centralization". I also think that this approach will be more successful than reiterating the suggestion you make. Cheers, Tobi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]
I'm not a module maintainer, just a community member trying to make sure you don't make your relation to GitHub tighter than it already is. GitHub probably has cool features and is probably the best of its kind (which helps free software), but on the other hand it is proprietary and centralized. I don't believe anyone has the right or the ability to decide what's more important in the name of all the contributors to GNOME or the whole community of users, which is why I suggest a switch: Let maintainers turn off the mirroring. Let them decide how they fight centralization. After all, they're the ones who do the actual work, not the few people who make decisions. Straight people can fight for gay people's rights. And I can fight for maintainers' rights. Even if a country has only one religion, it can choose to respect other religions if they show up in the future. In the same way, I suggest to make the switch even if no current maintainer asks for one (although I've seen messages from maintainers here). On ו', 2013-08-16 at 10:23 -0400, Hubert Figuière wrote: > On 16/08/13 05:22 AM, fr33domlover wrote: > > Judging by replies here, I'm afraid there's no enough interest. All the > > names I recognized here support the GitHub mirrors, while the voices > > against them are people whose name I never saw, or are maintainers of > > less popular modules. > > Please, tell us since you haven't answered the question I asked before. > Which Gnome modules do you maintain? Since you were "opposed" to your > code being put on Github that would give some context. > > Hub > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
