Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 04:44 -0700, Leslie S Satenstein wrote: > Gnome is emulating the Android interface citation needed? -- Marco Scannadinari ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ionut Biru wrote: > > Hello Allan, > > I'm asking you from the position of being a linux user that had used > middle click for years, 10 or more. > > How often do you use this functionality in your daily use of gnome? > please answer honestly and I want a straight answer, don't give me a > marketing answer. I'm hardly a marketing guy and I've used this feature for as long as I've used Linux IIRC (~13 years). However, me being extremely habitual of a feature and it being there for decades does not imply its a good feature that must be retained as is. The way it currently works is very confusing. Despite the fact that I take it for granted, I keep pasting the wrong buffer. > The proposed designed is broken from start. That might be so but that is true for the feature its replacing as well and if we try to address the problem, we are likely to arrive at a good solution at the end (Remember that is not set in stone or anything). -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 04:44:17AM -0700, Leslie S Satenstein wrote: > As Gnome is emulating the Android interface, you should know that if I > wanted a Android interface to Linux, I would certainly go the Android > route. This is going highly offtopic. Android?!? People really care about the middle click button. Ok, understood. Now let's move on or quiet down please. -- Regards, Olav (I have the ability to moderate) ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted
All this contraversy Because I come from a Windows background, and because I was developing software before the mouse gained the centre wheel, with the tilt and press actions, I am more brainwashed into using the right mouse button for the paste function. What should be remembered by developers is the rule of three. 1. Here are the changes I am planning/going to make in the next months. Feedback please. 2. Here are the changes that are implemented, as I told you and we agreed upon. 3. Here are the wonderful changes that I made to improve the system based on your feedback. Of course, if you omit steps one and two, you lose support. As Gnome is emulating the Android interface, you should know that if I wanted a Android interface to Linux, I would certainly go the Android route. Heh Gnome gurus! Linux users are developers, and do not want the tablet/Android interface. Did you follow step 1 above, to give us your roadmap? This lack of information spreading has been lacking and from what I read from the Gnome forums, much of the design has been "seat of the pants", with the programmer being the architect, or vice-versa. Steps 2 and 3 are certainly unknown by most distributions and end-users. None of the distributions that I have evaluated know whats coming. To them, its a blackbox that they take and install, and ignore. Regards Leslie Mr. Leslie Satenstein An experienced Information Technology specialist. Yesterday was a good day, today is a better day, and tomorrow will be even better.lsatenst...@yahoo.com alternative: leslie.satenst...@gmail.com SENT FROM MY OPEN SOURCE LINUX SYSTEM. > >From: Debarshi Ray >To: Ionut Biru >Cc: "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" >Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:18 AM >Subject: Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted > > >On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:34:49PM +0300, Ionut Biru wrote: >> How often do you use this functionality in your daily use of gnome? >> please answer honestly and I want a straight answer, don't give me a >> marketing answer. > >I do regularly mix middle click copy / paste with ctrl+c/v copy / paste. > >Cheers, >Debarshi > > >-- >Wearing non-prescription glasses and embracing obscurity doesn't >necessarily make you a hipster. -- Anonymous >___ >desktop-devel-list mailing list >desktop-devel-list@gnome.org >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > >___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:34:49PM +0300, Ionut Biru wrote: > How often do you use this functionality in your daily use of gnome? > please answer honestly and I want a straight answer, don't give me a > marketing answer. I do regularly mix middle click copy / paste with ctrl+c/v copy / paste. Cheers, Debarshi -- Wearing non-prescription glasses and embracing obscurity doesn't necessarily make you a hipster. -- Anonymous pgpqZj5qe2oFE.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted
Le 26/09/2013 11:34, Ionut Biru a écrit : > The proposed designed is broken from start. Middle click should > never change its behavior. Please stop the noise and let this thread die. It has already been said that there is no proposed design at the moment. Once there's one, the discussion will take place. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted
On 09/26/2013 11:21 AM, Allan Day wrote: > Ray Morris wrote: >>> Not be be a jerk, but can you seriously post that with a straight face? ... >>> didn't turn up anything about the middle mouse button until last week >>> and that bugzilla has several people begging that the behavior not be >>> changed. I don't see how that can be considered a "proposal" or "discussion" >> >> The bugzilla commit completely disabled middle-yank, so yes that appears to >> be a proposal to change the behavior. >> It was temporarily reverted with the message "we'll defer this change until >> the next cycle". The way that's >> worded, it sounds like it's not just a proposal to do so, it's a decision to >> do so. >> >> According to the record, what we had was a commit that actually eliminated >> the functionality (by default), >> followed by _discussion_ (Mathias' word) between Mathias, Allan and Jakup to >> delay it. The committer certainly >> considered it a "discussion", that's what he called it. You may disagree >> with his wording, but I suspect he >> did in fact post that with a straight face. > > When we discussed this, we talked about a range of things that we want > to address in the 3.12 cycle, including a fleshed-out design for text > selections, new text insertion functionality, and the need to have > public discussion. It certainly wasn't simply a question of "should we > remove it now or in 6 months time?" > > Hastily written one line commit message won't give you much insight, > and will always be misleading if you read too much into them. So again > - please don't jump to conclusions, and give us chance to publish a > more detailed plan. > > Allan Hello Allan, I'm asking you from the position of being a linux user that had used middle click for years, 10 or more. How often do you use this functionality in your daily use of gnome? please answer honestly and I want a straight answer, don't give me a marketing answer. The proposed designed is broken from start. Middle click should never change its behavior. It's crucial to have it in the way is it right now. -- Ionuț ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Middle click, "dumbing down" Slashdotted
Ray Morris wrote: >> Not be be a jerk, but can you seriously post that with a straight face? ... >> didn't turn up anything about the middle mouse button until last week >> and that bugzilla has several people begging that the behavior not be >> changed. I don't see how that can be considered a "proposal" or "discussion" > > The bugzilla commit completely disabled middle-yank, so yes that appears to > be a proposal to change the behavior. > It was temporarily reverted with the message "we'll defer this change until > the next cycle". The way that's > worded, it sounds like it's not just a proposal to do so, it's a decision to > do so. > > According to the record, what we had was a commit that actually eliminated > the functionality (by default), > followed by _discussion_ (Mathias' word) between Mathias, Allan and Jakup to > delay it. The committer certainly > considered it a "discussion", that's what he called it. You may disagree > with his wording, but I suspect he > did in fact post that with a straight face. When we discussed this, we talked about a range of things that we want to address in the 3.12 cycle, including a fleshed-out design for text selections, new text insertion functionality, and the need to have public discussion. It certainly wasn't simply a question of "should we remove it now or in 6 months time?" Hastily written one line commit message won't give you much insight, and will always be misleading if you read too much into them. So again - please don't jump to conclusions, and give us chance to publish a more detailed plan. Allan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
