GNOME HIG: Feedback Wanted
Hi all, A new version of the HIG is in the works, to be released along with GNOME 3.14 [1]. I'm currently looking for feedback. I'm particularly interested to know if anything is missing, confusing, or incorrect from a technical point of view (like if any of the recommendations are impossible or very difficult to do with current GTK+). To read the latest version, just clone gnome-devel-docs and open hig3/C/index.page with Yelp. Thanks! Allan [1] https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/21/new-human-interface-guidelines-for-gnome-and-gtk/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: GNOME HIG: Feedback Wanted
Hi. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:47:50AM +0100, Allan Day wrote: > A new version of the HIG is in the works, to be released along with > GNOME 3.14 [1]. I'm currently looking for feedback. I've pushed an HTML version here for your convenience: http://people.gnome.org/~tobiasmue/hig3 Please note that this a one-shot effort and will likely not see any updates. Do we have automatically compiled versions somewhere? Cheers, Tobi ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: GNOME HIG: Feedback Wanted
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 08:47 +0100, Allan Day wrote: > Hi all, > > A new version of the HIG is in the works, to be released along with > GNOME 3.14 [1]. I'm currently looking for feedback. > > I'm particularly interested to know if anything is missing, confusing, > or incorrect from a technical point of view (like if any of the > recommendations are impossible or very difficult to do with current > GTK+). > > To read the latest version, just clone gnome-devel-docs and open > hig3/C/index.page with Yelp. > > Thanks! > > Allan > > [1] > https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/21/new-human-interface-guidelines-for-gnome-and-gtk/ Please note that while I plan to write a small app in near future I have 0 experience with GTK+ and even less with the design so I might simply misunderstood something: - Code samples or links to the GTK+ documentation would be nice as I imagine some UI elements are named for their role rather then the GTK+ widget. Probably the samples are too much work in 3.14 timeframe but links to documentation would be nice (for example should sidebar be implemented by GtkPlacesSidebar?) - Sidebar lists image shows primary windows and application menu - I guess different image was intended. - Possibly middle mouse button should be discouraged as well due to confusion with scroll events some mouses have. I had 'fun' using one application (not in Gnome) where some basic operation was only accessible through this method. - Some sections seems to be meant to be 'obligatory' for beginners (Essentials or Getting Started) - it would be nice to have next/prev link instead of relaying on back/next button in yelp Best regards signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: GNOME HIG: Feedback Wanted
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 17:04 +0200, Tobias Mueller wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:47:50AM +0100, Allan Day wrote: > > A new version of the HIG is in the works, to be released along with > > GNOME 3.14 [1]. I'm currently looking for feedback. > I've pushed an HTML version here for your convenience: > http://people.gnome.org/~tobiasmue/hig3 > > Please note that this a one-shot effort and will likely not see any updates. > > Do we have automatically compiled versions somewhere? > I don't know much about yelp but it looks like no compilation is necessary - git clone and direct opening of page worked for me. % git clone git://git.gnome.org/gnome-devel-docs --depth 1 % yelp gnome-devel-docs/hig3/C/index.page > Cheers, > Tobi Best regards signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: GNOME HIG: Feedback Wanted
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Maciej Piechotka wrote: > On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 08:47 +0100, Allan Day wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> A new version of the HIG is in the works, to be released along with >> GNOME 3.14 [1]. I'm currently looking for feedback. >> >> I'm particularly interested to know if anything is missing, confusing, >> or incorrect from a technical point of view (like if any of the >> recommendations are impossible or very difficult to do with current >> GTK+). >> >> To read the latest version, just clone gnome-devel-docs and open >> hig3/C/index.page with Yelp. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Allan >> >> [1] >> https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2014/08/21/new-human-interface-guidelines-for-gnome-and-gtk/ > > Please note that while I plan to write a small app in near future I have > 0 experience with GTK+ and even less with the design so I might simply > misunderstood something: > > - Code samples or links to the GTK+ documentation would be nice as I > imagine some UI elements are named for their role rather then the GTK+ > widget. Probably the samples are too much work in 3.14 timeframe but > links to documentation would be nice (for example should sidebar be > implemented by GtkPlacesSidebar?) That's something I was wondering about too. I'm not sure which approach would be best though - would it be better to list the GTK+ widgets required, point to examples, link to API docs, or something else? I'm conscious that, in many examples, the patterns are composites of different widgets. > - Sidebar lists image shows primary windows and application menu - I > guess different image was intended. Yep, thanks! Fixed. > - Possibly middle mouse button should be discouraged as well due to > confusion with scroll events some mouses have. I had 'fun' using one > application (not in Gnome) where some basic operation was only > accessible through this method. I'm not sure about that particular issue, but I'll certainly take another look at that section. > - Some sections seems to be meant to be 'obligatory' for beginners > (Essentials or Getting Started) - it would be nice to have next/prev > link instead of relaying on back/next button in yelp I could certainly do that for the essentials pages. Thanks again! Allan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Stable release policy
Hi, Is there any policy about releasing updates to stable branches beyond the .1 release or is it simply up to each project? I couldn't find this info anywhere on the wiki... Thanks, -- Ross Lagerwall ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Stable release policy
Hi, On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 19:59 +0100, Ross Lagerwall wrote: > Is there any policy about releasing updates to stable branches beyond > the .1 release or is it simply up to each project? I couldn't find this > info anywhere on the wiki... A stable .2 is listed on https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointThirteen#Schedule Core projects are expected to follow the release schedule. See also https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Stable release policy
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 09:47:45PM +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 19:59 +0100, Ross Lagerwall wrote: > > Is there any policy about releasing updates to stable branches beyond > > the .1 release or is it simply up to each project? I couldn't find this > > info anywhere on the wiki... > > A stable .2 is listed on > https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointThirteen#Schedule Ah, I missed that, I was looking at the ThreePointEleven schedule... > Core projects are expected to follow the release schedule. > See also https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > I'd expect core projects to at least make all the releases listed in the schedule, but if useful bug fixes have queued up since May 14, it would make sense to make a release, right? Regards -- Ross Lagerwall ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Stable release policy
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 21:10 +0100, Ross Lagerwall wrote: > I'd expect core projects to at least make all the releases listed in > the > schedule, but if useful bug fixes have queued up since May 14, it > would > make sense to make a release, right? Hey Ross, Of course. You can unscheduled releases whenever you think one's needed, for exactly that reason: we don't want users to go four months without bugfixes! Just be reasonable about the frequency of releases; if you find yourself at 3.x.7 and you're not GTK+ or Evolution then you're probably releasing too frequently. It's normal for GNOME programs to go up to 3.x.3, 3.x.4, and sometimes even 3.x.5. Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
