Re: GitLab update: Moving to the next step

2017-12-12 Thread Milan Crha
On Thu, 2017-12-07 at 17:50 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
> I seriously doubt you were born with innate knowledge of Bugzilla -

Hi,
it sounds like you consider an intuitive interface something obscure.
Well, it's intuitive at least for me.

> even though Bugzilla's feature set is basically limited to what you
> see in the page.

Yes, that's basically the main part of it. I definitely do not know all
the features bugzilla can do, but the basic parts I use I didn't need
to search for in a manual, they were just there, on the screen.

Like with the shortcuts in the interface of GitLab. I definitely know
how to click on [reply] in bugzilla, but I do not know how to press 'r'
(or any key to be considered a shortcut of this kind) on a tablet. I
didn't try it and it probably doesn't matter.

If you let me to make a side note, maybe it's similar to the reason why
I never got to use Blender. It's a very powerful tool, but it requires
to know so many shortcuts to be able to use it (I didn't try to use it
for a long time, thus my information can be outdated). It can be great
for professionals and people using it every day, but when it comes to
newbies like me, then I'm completely lost. What I need are basic
things. I can compare it with Rhino3D, I can do most of those basic
things with a mouse, everything is in the interface, I do not need to
know special shortcuts and when I open the software half year later I
still can do it without refreshing my memory too much. I do not want to
change subject, that's just an analogy I recalled and it is possibly
highly inaccurate, thus forgive me if you consider it as such, please.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: GitLab update: Moving to the next step

2017-12-12 Thread Milan Crha
On Fri, 2017-12-08 at 16:50 +, philip.chime...@gmail.com wrote:
> Coming from GitHub, Bugzilla was like regressing to the stone age. If
> I were to insist that my opinion take precedence in the same way that
> has happened multiple times on this thread, I'd demand that all
> activity on Bugzilla cease immediately. I don't think that would be
> very fair for me to do either.

Hi,
yes, that makes sense and I'm also not thinking to be "better than
anybody else" (I do not know how to say it better), I'm only trying to
keep close to my current workflow, which makes me efficient in certain
way. It's understood it cannot be the same, those are different tools,
but I expect some basic stuff to work.

By the way, what were/are your main issues with Bugzilla? If it's about
pull requests, then, well, I've been told on IRC that issues and pull
requests are two different things and if you check what I'm
questioning, then you'll see it is all about tracking issues, not
proposed changes from contributors. Bugzilla is an issue tracker and
from my point of view quite powerful in many ways. Definitely much more
than issue tracker by GitLab. I really do not want markup, the less
images for smileys and emoticons, those add exactly 0 Sh to the issue
itself (just like "me too" comments in bugzilla). Bugzilla doesn't know
anything about cvs/svn/git and it (I believe) never had too, it's a
tool to maintain issues, not the code repository. That's GitLab and
some other for, if you really want a web interface for it.
Bye,
Milan
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