Re: GStreamer version for 2.14
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 10:44 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 1/18/06, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/15/06, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > So, the release team messed up and didn't keep close enough tabs on > > > everything, resulting in discovering an issue pretty late. We need to > > > try to find rough consensus in the community. > > > > So, here's my understanding of this thread and the alternate one[1] > > (feel free to correct anything I got wrong; I am not an expert in this > > area by any means): > > > > - There is no good or optimal solution; all choices have multiple > > drawbacks. :( We still have to pick one, though. > > - 0.10 is more stable in the doesn't-crash sense, but has a less > > complete set of plugins and thus cannot handle as many formats > > - The regressions that exist from the less complete set of plugins are > > limited to totem > > - these regressions are for formats we can't ship anyway, though they > > do limit what can be played in totem for those > > non-tree-hugging-lefties[2] who would otherwise be able to just > > download extra plugins. > > - 0.8 has very little development or maintenance effort and has > > unfixable problems due to inherently problematic API (causing various > > crashes, as noted above) > > - 0.8 and 0.10 can be installed simultaneously, though actively > > depending on both is a bigger maintenance load that would probably be > > better spent fixing stuff, and it may also be more annoying to users > > since preference applets only affect settings for one of the two > > versions (granted, this will only affect the users who don't want to > > use the defaults and who are able to understand those dialogs) > > - Those actively working on gstreamer now recommend 0.10, Ronald (who > > has done *huge* amounts of gstreamer work in the past and is > > volunteering to continue to work on 0.8 as his time permits) prefers > > 0.8 > > - most distros appear to be moving to 0.10 (JDS, Ubuntu, Fedora; > > Fedora is shipping both versions, but 'gstreamer' is 0.10 while > > there's also a 'gstreamer08') > > - not knowing what we're using is holding up the 2.13.5 release > > > > So, here's my proposal: > > Ship with 0.10. Have everything default to it. Also include 0.8 in > > the ftp directory, but not used. Include a big old section in the > > release notes explaining the situation and letting people know that > > they can recompile totem or compile a second version of totem against > > 0.8 if they wish. > > Okay, so this is now official; Gstreamer 0.10 is the plan for Gnome > 2.14. There's only one minor change to my proposal above, namely that > instead of adding unsed 0.8 tarballs to ftp just refer to them in the > important notice in the release notes about this issue (as suggested > by jdub, federico, and fcrozat). > > So, work on the delayed Gnome-2.13.5 release can now proceed. The > only problem remaining for that release now is that we need an > official gnome-media tarball that uses 0.10 (similar to the one Thomas > pointed to at > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-January/msg00270.html, > but which doesn't require running some transmogrify bash script + > autogen before getting to the configure stage. :-) Ronald, Thomas: > Can one of you make such a tarball for us and get it up on ftp? The transmogrify script/patch fails during build with the following error: e.Tpo -c audio-profile.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libgnome_media_profiles_la-audio-profile.o audio-profile.c: In function 'gm_audio_profile_sync_list': audio-profile.c:215: error: syntax error before 'GST_MAJORMINOR_QUOTED' audio-profile.c: In function 'gm_audio_profile_new': audio-profile.c:309: error: syntax error before 'GST_MAJORMINOR_QUOTED' audio-profile.c: In function 'gm_audio_profile_initialize': audio-profile.c:713: error: syntax error before 'GST_MAJORMINOR_QUOTED' audio-profile.c: In function 'gm_audio_profile_create': audio-profile.c:982: error: syntax error before 'GST_MAJORMINOR_QUOTED' audio-profile.c:1047: error: syntax error before 'GST_MAJORMINOR_QUOTED' audio-profile.c: In function 'gm_audio_profile_delete_list': audio-profile.c:1151: error: syntax error before 'GST_MAJORMINOR_QUOTED' make[4]: *** [libgnome_media_profiles_la-audio-profile.lo] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/mnt/hdb1/home/gnome/garnome-2.13.5/desktop/gnome-media/work/main.d/gnome-media-2.13.5/profiles' I'm building with gstreamer-0.10.2 and friends. Bob -- Bob Kashani http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~bobk/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: GStreamer version for 2.14
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 13:09 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 1/19/06, Bob Kashani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The transmogrify script/patch fails during build with the following > > error: > > Did you run autogen.sh after running the transmogrify script? > > Works for me, when also using autogen... Yes, I did. http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/garnome/desktop/gnome-media/Makefile?rev=1.4&view=markup Look at the pre-configure: section. gnome-common-2.12.0 (bootstrap/gnome-common) gstreamer-0.10.2 (desktop/gstreamer) automake-1.9.5 (FC4) autoconf-2.59 (FC4) Bob -- Bob Kashani http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~bobk/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: GStreamer version for 2.14
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 12:52 -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: > On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 13:09 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: > > On 1/19/06, Bob Kashani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The transmogrify script/patch fails during build with the following > > > error: > > > > Did you run autogen.sh after running the transmogrify script? > > > > Works for me, when also using autogen... > > Yes, I did. > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/garnome/desktop/gnome-media/Makefile?rev=1.4&view=markup > > Look at the pre-configure: section. > > gnome-common-2.12.0 (bootstrap/gnome-common) > gstreamer-0.10.2 (desktop/gstreamer) > automake-1.9.5 (FC4) > autoconf-2.59 (FC4) Okay, I'm build gnome-media-2.13.6 now...it fails with a different error: -MT gsr-window.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/gsr-window.Tpo" -c -o gsr-window.o gsr-window.c; \ then mv -f ".deps/gsr-window.Tpo" ".deps/gsr-window.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/gsr-window.Tpo"; exit 1; fi In file included from /usr/include/bits/types.h:31, from /usr/include/sys/types.h:31, from gsr-window.c:34: /usr/lib/gcc/i386-redhat-linux/4.0.2/include/stddef.h:214: error: syntax error before ‘typedef’ make[5]: *** [gsr-window.o] Error 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/mnt/hdb1/home/gnome/garnome-2.13.5/desktop/gnome-media/work/main.d/gnome-media-2.13.6/grecord/src' Bob -- Bob Kashani http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~bobk/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: New panel logout/shutdown alert - a mini ui review
Hi, Vincent. My thoughts on the the new logout/shutdown: 1.) I prefer that logout be at the very bottom (as Luca suggested)...but I also agree with Luca, that it's probably just my preference. :) 2.) I don't like the timeout. It should either be removed or the timeout should be reduced to 10 secs. (Luca, already covered the reasons why a long timeout is annoying which I agree with) 3.) I don't use GDM but boot directly into run level 3. The shutdown button logs me out instead of shutting down the machine. Is there a way you could implement a workaround for this? a. If GDM is not running then just issue a "poweroff" ??? Other than that I really like the new dialogs. It's a huge improvement. :) Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 08:31 -0400, Pedro de Medeiros wrote: > On 3/6/06, Davyd Madeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release > > notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and > > technical correctness. > > > I guess I found one: > > release-notes.xml:42 > > "(...) To learn more about GNOME and the " > "qualities that distinguishes it from (...)" > > Should be "qualities that distinguish it (...)", it is in plural form. Good catch. Fixed. :) Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 14:28 -0600, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > On 3/6/06, Davyd Madeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release > > notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and > > technical correctness. > > > > In the very first paragraph, change: > "GNOME comprises of both a desktop and developer's platform" > > "GNOME comprises both a desktop and..." I changed it to "GNOME includes both a desktop and developer's platform..." Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 23:30 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: > Hi, > > two suggestion if I'm not too late already: > > 1.) The first sentence is too long: Please stop it after "platforms" > otherwise people with low attention will stop reading right there. > 2.) "includes" sounds strange. Why not just remove it? > > The paragraph then reads: > > "GNOME 2.14 is the latest version of the GNOME Desktop; a popular, > multi-platform desktop environment for Linux™, UNIX™ and other > platforms. Based on Free and Open Source Software, GNOME provides all > of the common tools computer users have come to expect of a modern > computing environment, as well as a flexible and powerful platform for > software developers." I like this much better. It flows much nicer too. I made the changes. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release > notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and > technical correctness. > > The latest committed version is online at: > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html > > You can also check out the release notes from CVS: > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ > > We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators > know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. > > Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My > grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for > these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. > > Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel > #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. > > Addendum: > - If anyone knows the status of the LiveCD, that section requires > updating. > - Danilo was meant to be providing the i18n stats page, he said he > added it, but I can't see where. > - Does anyone want to take charge on writing a press release? I am > willing to raise my hand again if so required. Danilo, would you mind adding a few screenshots to the rni18n page to show case the internationalize support. Also, what do you think about getting rid of the tag in the list of languages to condense the list a little? Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 07:35 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:27:32AM +0100, Danilo ??egan wrote: > > > With Gnome 2.12 we were very successful with translation (24 > > languages!), but notes were finished two weeks before the release, > > and stabilised at least a week before release. I think it looked > > really cool on > > This is basically my fault for sucking really badly. I should stop > offering to do things, because I suck. > > > and it gave an impression of Gnome truly being the international > > desktop it is :) > > That said, I don't think we had the same amount of focus over the > release notes from people with actual English degrees last time. If > only we could combine both. > > I am going to let Bob and Claus finish up with the editing, but I > will understand if at GUADEC, any translators want to come up and > punch me in the face. In general I think that you've done a really good job. Most of the paragraphs are concise and to the point. Not bad for a CS guy. :) I also do understand Danilo's, concerns about translators so we will try and minimize the changes to make it easier for them. I think that overall we're in pretty good shape. Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 14:05 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > > Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release > > notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and > > technical correctness. > > > > The latest committed version is online at: > > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html > > > > You can also check out the release notes from CVS: > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ > > > > We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators > > know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. > > > > Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My > > grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for > > these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. > > > > Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel > > #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. > > Way later than I'd hoped to provide this, but I've > attached a diff with some small changes. This is > strictly copy editing; I didn't touch content. > > Basically, the diff says this: Seems you forgot to add the diff, Shaun... Bob > * I am a religious supporter of the serial comma. Googling > for support brought up this very succinct argument: > http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/021201.htm > > * The GDP Style Guide says "file system". > > * "Shutdown" is a noun. "Shut down" is a verb. > > * Some compound adjectives needed hyphenating. > > * Germans capitalize every last noun, but we don't. > > * Nautilus is referred to everywhere (inclding throughout > this document) as the file manager. So a lone reference > to the file browser seemed out of place. > > * A few commas were missing, not just the serial type. > > This is great work, Davyd. > > -- > Shaun > > -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 14:40 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 12:32 -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 14:05 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > > > > Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release > > > > notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and > > > > technical correctness. > > > > > > > > The latest committed version is online at: > > > > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html > > > > > > > > You can also check out the release notes from CVS: > > > > http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ > > > > > > > > We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators > > > > know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. > > > > > > > > Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My > > > > grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for > > > > these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. > > > > > > > > Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel > > > > #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. > > > > > > Way later than I'd hoped to provide this, but I've > > > attached a diff with some small changes. This is > > > strictly copy editing; I didn't touch content. > > > > > > Basically, the diff says this: > > > > Seems you forgot to add the diff, Shaun... > > Well that was silly of me. Applied, thanks. :) Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 10:08 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > Hi, > > Le lundi 06 mars 2006 à 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : > > Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release > > notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and > > technical correctness. > > > > The latest committed version is online at: > > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html > > I just noticed that two screenshots features some ubuntu-specific > changes: > > + the menu bar on the first page uses System instead of Desktop > > + the sound pref dialog screenshot in the "What's new for users" > page features a "default sound card" combo box (added by an ubuntu > patch) > > Should we update them? We probably should. I have a screenshot of the sound pref. without the default sound card entry. But I'm not all that great with using gimp to remove the little black bits from the top corners. I'll upload it and hopeful Davyd or someone else can fix it. The other screenshot should probably be replaced too. It might seem a bit odd for some users to see "System" instead of "Desktop". I'll try replacing that one too and again either Davyd or someone else can make adjustments as needed. Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 14:23 -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 10:08 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Le lundi 06 mars 2006 à 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : > > > Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release > > > notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and > > > technical correctness. > > > > > > The latest committed version is online at: > > > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html > > > > I just noticed that two screenshots features some ubuntu-specific > > changes: > > > > + the menu bar on the first page uses System instead of Desktop > > > > + the sound pref dialog screenshot in the "What's new for users" > > page features a "default sound card" combo box (added by an ubuntu > > patch) > > > > Should we update them? > > We probably should. I have a screenshot of the sound pref. without the > default sound card entry. But I'm not all that great with using gimp to > remove the little black bits from the top corners. I'll upload it and > hopeful Davyd or someone else can fix it. The other screenshot should > probably be replaced too. It might seem a bit odd for some users to see > "System" instead of "Desktop". I'll try replacing that one too and again > either Davyd or someone else can make adjustments as needed. I just noticed that my drop shadow settings aren't the same as Davyd's. hrmm...Davyd can you fix that? Do you want me to send you a screenshot without the drop shadow or can you just remove that patch and rebuild? Also, I took this screenshot from within garnome-cvs which uses the tango icon theme by default. Is that ok or should I change it? I haven't messed with the other screenshot that Vincent, mentioned cause I'd like to get confirmation first before changing more images. I would really prefer that you do all the image changes just to keep things consistent. Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
