Re: It's Release Notes time!
Hi, On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next GNOME release! Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's coming in GNOME 2.32. Now I need YOUR help! I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Am Donnerstag, den 30.09.2010, 15:00 +0300 schrieb Zeeshan Ali (Khattak): I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. Can you please change your tone? I'm a bit tired of hurt egos. Thanks in advance, andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 15:00 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Hi, On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next GNOME release! Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's coming in GNOME 2.32. Now I need YOUR help! I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. To be honest, Rygel in 2.32 isn't the experience we want to offer to users. We still have separate capplets for Rygel, gnome-user-share, and vino, and we'd want to merge all that under one panel for 3.0. Given the user experience, I don't feel so bad that it was ignored from the release notes this time, and we can offer a much better user experience when we get to 3.0, and publicise it. Cheers ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 15:00 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Hi, On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next GNOME release! Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's coming in GNOME 2.32. Now I need YOUR help! I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. To be honest, Rygel in 2.32 isn't the experience we want to offer to users. We still have separate capplets for Rygel, gnome-user-share, and vino, and we'd want to merge all that under one panel for 3.0. Given the user experience, I don't feel so bad that it was ignored from the release notes this time, and we can offer a much better user experience when we get to 3.0, and publicise it. /me nods. Hopefully we managed to do all those things in time for GNOME 3.0. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 30.09.2010, 15:00 +0300 schrieb Zeeshan Ali (Khattak): I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. Can you please change your tone? I'm a bit tired of hurt egos. I already apologized Paul for being rude on IRC and here is another apology. For the record, This was all a misunderstanding between me and Paul and that he had very little time to write the release notes. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
How are the release notes coming along? Remember, we also need time to translate them. Regards Kenneth ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Hi! Do we have a plan? Has the Release Team documented this anywhere? I can't write about it if I don't know about it. :) Such a plan would probably not be worth the paper it is written on. Sure, there will be 2.32.x releases until GNOME 3.0 is released but I doubt that any module maintainer will have time to do anything afterwards. If patches accumulate in bugzilla, people might make other release but that's not much more than bringing distro patches upstream. Note also that the LTS releases of distributions all use 2.30.x anyway and it's very unlikely that they update to 2.32.x. Overall, the non-OpenGL parts will have 3.0 releases so these people aren't required to run GNOME 2.32 but can switch to 3.0 instead (without much 3.0 feeling though...) Regards, Johannes ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Hi Paul, On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, We're still pretty light on content for the upcoming 2.32 release. I just added some bullets off the top of my head about basic features Rygel's inclusion will add to GNOME. I'm not very good at this so please feel free to edit my text so to tailor it more for end-users. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Paul: This is the last (we promise!) release of the GNOME 2.x series - let's document the release as best we can. Add your news here: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ReleaseNotes Since many distributions ship GNOME 2.x in Long Term Supported releases, it might make sense to continue releasing updated modules with bugfixes and its possible that some GNOME 2.x modules may continue to be maintained (such as those needed to support non-OpenGL users). Therefore, it might not make sense to say that there will be no more GNOME 2.x releases. If, at some point in the future, there are enough important accumulated bugfixes in GNOME 2.x, it might make sense to do more GNOME 2.x releases. Just to help ensure that distros have available the highest quality GNOME 2.x code with the latest security patches, etc. Brian ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:19 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: Paul: This is the last (we promise!) release of the GNOME 2.x series - let's document the release as best we can. Add your news here: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ReleaseNotes Since many distributions ship GNOME 2.x in Long Term Supported releases, it might make sense to continue releasing updated modules with bugfixes and its possible that some GNOME 2.x modules may continue to be maintained (such as those needed to support non-OpenGL users). Therefore, it might not make sense to say that there will be no more GNOME 2.x releases. If, at some point in the future, there are enough important accumulated bugfixes in GNOME 2.x, it might make sense to do more GNOME 2.x releases. Just to help ensure that distros have available the highest quality GNOME 2.x code with the latest security patches, etc. Last 2.x release, but not last 2.32.y release? I'd assume accumulated bugfixes would just warrant another few micro releases, as they always have done. Philip Brian ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Last 2.x release, but not last 2.32.y release? I'd assume accumulated bugfixes would just warrant another few micro releases, as they always have done. However we want to handle it, I think we should be clear in the release notes that we have a plan in place for managing releasing ongoing support for GNOME 2.x, at least for a reasonable period of time. People reading our release notes should be assured that if their distro ends up providing only GNOME 2.x for a while, that we will continue to support them. We want to avoid distros patching GNOME 2.32 and not providing those patch fixes upstream, for example. If we give the impression that there will be no more releases, distros might not let us know about bugs or fixes they have. Also, it's hard to predict the future, so making proclamations about the last release only beg contradiction later on. Perhaps we could word it in a way that highlights that we do not have any future planned releases, but avoid proclaiming that we will never do something. Brian ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:36 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: However we want to handle it, I think we should be clear in the release notes that we have a plan in place for managing releasing ongoing support for GNOME 2.x, at least for a reasonable period of time. People reading our release notes should be assured that if their distro ends up providing only GNOME 2.x for a while, that we will continue to support them. Do we have a plan? Has the Release Team documented this anywhere? I can't write about it if I don't know about it. :) Paul ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Hi, We're still pretty light on content for the upcoming 2.32 release. I understand with GNOME 3.0 being pushed out 6 months some features weren't backported and some developers are doing a maintenance release. If you do have new features, please add your application changes to the release notes page[1] as soon as possible. Every little thing counts - if I don't know about it, I can't write about it! Thanks. Paul [1] http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ReleaseNotes On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 13:23 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next GNOME release! Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's coming in GNOME 2.32. Now I need YOUR help! What new features does your application have? What bug fixes? What new libraries have we deprecated for the GNOME 3.0 release next year? What are the cool new things developers need to know about GNOME's development platform to write awesome apps in GNOME 3.0? What's new in accessibility? This is the last (we promise!) release of the GNOME 2.x series - let's document the release as best we can. Add your news here: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ReleaseNotes Thanks in advance for the help! Paul PS - I've branched 2.32 in the release-notes module in GNOME git. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
It's Release Notes time!
Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next GNOME release! Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's coming in GNOME 2.32. Now I need YOUR help! What new features does your application have? What bug fixes? What new libraries have we deprecated for the GNOME 3.0 release next year? What are the cool new things developers need to know about GNOME's development platform to write awesome apps in GNOME 3.0? What's new in accessibility? This is the last (we promise!) release of the GNOME 2.x series - let's document the release as best we can. Add your news here: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ReleaseNotes Thanks in advance for the help! Paul PS - I've branched 2.32 in the release-notes module in GNOME git. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
