Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18?
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 04:33 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, Alex Graveley wrote: Slab is a better system and GNOME should use it by default, IMHO :) Does Novell actually want to propose it anytime soon? yes, we are discussing how to integrate it better -- Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
New panel layout for GNOME 2.18?
Will Novell's new 'slab'[1] menu be included in GNOME 2.18, maybe as the default option? I know the many providers of GNOME have a different target user, and each provides a different panel setup for them. However, I think it would be the best for the GNOME project if that default was as close as possible to the upstream version. Right now both Sun and Novell use a 1-panel layout, while Red Hat and Ubuntu use something that is closer to the default 2-panel layout, but with modifications. In a perfect world, these 4[2] would make little or no modification to the default panel setup. Maybe it's time to discuss if we can achieve that? The current layout first appeared in Ximian GNOME Desktop, and I don't think it ever went through any usability testing until years later, when the same Ximian (well, Novell) did some. Below was posted by Alan Horkan on usability@ on May: Linux Format magazine June 2006 (LXF80) reported on comments Nat Friedman[1] made in Paris: ... we developed an extension to Gnome that put a bar at the top, which looked a little like Macintosh. In our usability tests that we did last year we discovered that the bar was a really bad idea. It was confusing to Windows users who were used to having just one bar at the bottom, and confusing to Macintosh users who ere used to having one bar at the top and it behaving completely differently. So we'd written this thing that was confusing to everyone, and hundreds of [usability test] videos later we said, Let's not do that! I'd be great if Novell people could report more of their experiences on this. IMO the GNOME default panel layout should: 1) try to not confuse Windows and Mac OS users; 2) be different enough from the two systems mentioned above, ie. have an identity; 3) if possible, consider the major GNOME distributors so they'll use something as close as possible to the new default. Thanks for reading. :D [1] the code is in GNOME cvs, 'slab' module. [2] as well as other vendors that ship GNOME, but do fewer changes. _ Insta-le já o Windows Live Messenger. A nova geração do messenger. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18?
From: Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18? Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:01:58 +0100 This kind of testing annoys me a bit. I'm sure any user who becomes naturally used to GNOME would be confused by Mac OS or Windows layout. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I don't feel the need to mimic the style of another desktop for the sake of transitioning users' comfort. I completely agree with you. I wasn't saying the default layout should be changed to ease the transitioning of switchers, I just think that would be an added benefit; one that, if we can have, would be great to have. The most important, IMO, is that it could mean the major GNOME distributors would start using the same basic interface. I think Novell's layout has many pros (and also a few cons) compared to the current layout. And I'm not a recent switcher, I've been using GNOME for years, and Window Maker before that. I won't go into technical details about the usability of both layouts because GNOME has people much more skilled than me to do that, the people that designed Slab for example. :) Have there ever been any unbiased usability studies involving people who have never actually used a computer? I'm thinking young children as well as your grandmas and grandpas. I don't think an usability test has ever been done with the current layout. At least I never heard of one. _ Seja um dos primeiros a testar o novo Windows Live Mail Beta- grátis. Acesse http://www.ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18?
tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 17:53 -0300, skrev theblues gnr: I don't think an usability test has ever been done with the current layout. At least I never heard of one. BetterDesktop seems to have done this, slab is part of the result of those tests. - David Nielsen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18?
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:05:50PM +0200, David Nielsen wrote: tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 17:53 -0300, skrev theblues gnr: I don't think an usability test has ever been done with the current layout. At least I never heard of one. BetterDesktop seems to have done this, slab is part of the result of those tests. There was also extensive testing by Sun back in the day. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18?
Slab is a better system and GNOME should use it by default, IMHO :) -Alex David Nielsen wrote: tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 17:53 -0300, skrev theblues gnr: I don't think an usability test has ever been done with the current layout. At least I never heard of one. BetterDesktop seems to have done this, slab is part of the result of those tests. - David Nielsen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18?
From: Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:24:53 +0800 On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:05:50PM +0200, David Nielsen wrote: tir, 22 08 2006 kl. 17:53 -0300, skrev theblues gnr: I don't think an usability test has ever been done with the current layout. At least I never heard of one. BetterDesktop seems to have done this, slab is part of the result of those tests. There was also extensive testing by Sun back in the day. I know, but I think they used the 1.4 layout that had the menu panel on top as well as the foot menu on the bottom of the screen: http://ariszlo.tripod.com/screenshots/gnome14.jpg _ O Windows Live Spaces é seu espaço na internet com fotos (500 por mês), blog e agora com rede social http://spaces.live.com/ ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: New panel layout for GNOME 2.18?
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, Alex Graveley wrote: Slab is a better system and GNOME should use it by default, IMHO :) Does Novell actually want to propose it anytime soon? Has anyone tried slab with the Alacarte menu editor? I'm wondering if a variety of menus will work okay. Just today I thought to add back an old style full lenght main menu on my panel and Alacarte seems to happily ignore it. Also I reiterate my concern about making versions of Gnome 2 which do not look at all like other version of Gnome 2. -- Alan H. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
