Re: ctr-del to delete a file
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:20:49PM +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Le jeudi 19 mai 2011 à 16:00 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit : > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Xavier Claessens > > wrote: > > > Users can only assume GNOME3 can't delete files, ctr-del is > > > impossible to discover without reading bugzilla. > > > > It's listed quite clearly in the Edit...Move To Trash menuitem. > > Do you seriously use that menu? Do you seriously think users will see > that there? if it was in the context menu, ok... but there, sorry but > no. > > > > So you change a 10 years old behavior, you wait 6months for people to > > > learn it the hard way, then will change it again? Don't you think users > > > could have waited 6 more months to have directly the proper solution? > > > > Not sure if you noticed but there were a few other changes from GNOME > > 2.x to GNOME 3.0 =) Can we calm down? A decision was made for 3.0, > > it makes sense to stick to it; there's an improvement planned for 3.2. > > I rather see this as a bug was introduced in 3.0 and should be fixed in > 3.0.2. Why aren't you using bugzilla for this? Those of us who are not interested in this flame wouldn't be bothered that way. Or at least take it to the nautilus mailing list.. Claudio ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: ctr-del to delete a file
Le jeudi 19 mai 2011 à 16:00 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit : > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > Users can only assume GNOME3 can't delete files, ctr-del is > > impossible to discover without reading bugzilla. > > It's listed quite clearly in the Edit...Move To Trash menuitem. Do you seriously use that menu? Do you seriously think users will see that there? if it was in the context menu, ok... but there, sorry but no. > > So you change a 10 years old behavior, you wait 6months for people to > > learn it the hard way, then will change it again? Don't you think users > > could have waited 6 more months to have directly the proper solution? > > Not sure if you noticed but there were a few other changes from GNOME > 2.x to GNOME 3.0 =) Can we calm down? A decision was made for 3.0, > it makes sense to stick to it; there's an improvement planned for 3.2. I rather see this as a bug was introduced in 3.0 and should be fixed in 3.0.2. Regards, Xavier Claessens. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: ctr-del to delete a file
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Users can only assume GNOME3 can't delete files, ctr-del is > impossible to discover without reading bugzilla. It's listed quite clearly in the Edit...Move To Trash menuitem. > So you change a 10 years old behavior, you wait 6months for people to > learn it the hard way, then will change it again? Don't you think users > could have waited 6 more months to have directly the proper solution? Not sure if you noticed but there were a few other changes from GNOME 2.x to GNOME 3.0 =) Can we calm down? A decision was made for 3.0, it makes sense to stick to it; there's an improvement planned for 3.2. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: ctr-del to delete a file
Le jeudi 19 mai 2011 à 11:54 -0400, Cosimo Cecchi a écrit : > Hey Xavier, > > this is not going to be reverted in 3.0.x. Note that you can still > change this manually back to Del, as Nautilus still supports editable > accels (even though there's a bug [1], which I want to fix for 3.0.2, if > you do that). Why can't this be reverted for 3.0.x? I understand a proper solution can't be made before 3.2, that's why I'm asking to revert the ctr-del behavior for now. I don't really care changing the accels for myself, I know it is ctr-del. I'm just astonished that this change as been made in the last minute in GNOME3 with apparently no consensus and no indication to users. Users can only assume GNOME3 can't delete files, ctr-del is impossible to discover without reading bugzilla. > We might reconsider this choice in 3.2, once Undo support has hopefully > landed, but in the meanwhile I find it really impolite you're screaming > out loud here, as you surely know there are more appropriate channels to > reach the Nautilus maintainers. Starting flames is not cool. So you change a 10 years old behavior, you wait 6months for people to learn it the hard way, then will change it again? Don't you think users could have waited 6 more months to have directly the proper solution? Regards, Xavier Claessens. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: ctr-del to delete a file
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 17:07 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello ddl, > > Looks like it is time to start flames on ddl, so let's start a new one: > > W-T-F is that ctr-del to move a file to trash in nautilus?? And > there is not even an indication why pressing del does nothing! > > To add even more fun, it is not even consistent with evolution to delete > emails. So I got used to nautilus, and now I often tap ctr-del in > evolution and that does nothing. > > PLEASE REVERT THIS ASAP! Hey Xavier, this is not going to be reverted in 3.0.x. Note that you can still change this manually back to Del, as Nautilus still supports editable accels (even though there's a bug [1], which I want to fix for 3.0.2, if you do that). We might reconsider this choice in 3.2, once Undo support has hopefully landed, but in the meanwhile I find it really impolite you're screaming out loud here, as you surely know there are more appropriate channels to reach the Nautilus maintainers. Starting flames is not cool. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647253 Cheers, Cosimo ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: ctr-del to delete a file
On Thu, 19 May 2011 17:07:57 +0200 Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello ddl, > > Looks like it is time to start flames on ddl, so let's start a new one: > > W-T-F is that ctr-del to move a file to trash in nautilus?? To encourage your fingers to hit the nearby alt key at the same moment ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: ctr-del to delete a file
Le jeudi 19 mai 2011 à 08:16 -0700, Xan Lopez a écrit : > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Xavier Claessens wrote: > > Hello ddl, > > > > Looks like it is time to start flames on ddl, so let's start a new one: > > No, it's not. Please do not spam the list with your pet peeve bugs. > Especially when there's already a bug filed in bugzilla, which is the > right forum to discuss these issues. The bug is just being ignored. I think more visibility is needed to get that wrong behaviour reverted. Regards, Xavier Claessens. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: ctr-del to delete a file
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Hello ddl, > > Looks like it is time to start flames on ddl, so let's start a new one: No, it's not. Please do not spam the list with your pet peeve bugs. Especially when there's already a bug filed in bugzilla, which is the right forum to discuss these issues. Xan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
ctr-del to delete a file
Hello ddl, Looks like it is time to start flames on ddl, so let's start a new one: W-T-F is that ctr-del to move a file to trash in nautilus?? And there is not even an indication why pressing del does nothing! To add even more fun, it is not even consistent with evolution to delete emails. So I got used to nautilus, and now I often tap ctr-del in evolution and that does nothing. PLEASE REVERT THIS ASAP! Regards, Xavier Claessens. PS: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648658 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
