[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1961010] Re: firefox doesn't let its user control how or when it upgrades
> Are "Security updates" in update-manager different from the
> "security pocket" that Firefox updates occur in?
They shouldn't be. "Security updates" are defined as anything that is
delivered through the security pocket.
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Title:
firefox doesn't let its user control how or when it upgrades
Status in firefox package in Ubuntu:
Invalid
Bug description:
The Firefox package does not act like ordinary packages. When it is
running, it forcibly downloads upgraded binary versions of itself and
then forces the user to restart Firefox and run the new version.
There used to be a Firefox setting by which the user could control
this, but it has been deliberately removed.
This is problematic in many ways. The first way is that it undermines
the user's control over their own environment. The essential element
of free software is that users control it, it does not control them.
If there is behavior that is undesirable, they can fix it, not just be
subjected to the arbitrary decisions of a distant corporation. For
example, some users require that they have a copy of the source code
that matches each binary package they are running. Firefox's covert
upgrades undermine this local user policy, installing binaries that
have no local matching source code. Other users may be using plugins
or other applications that do not work with later versions of Firefox.
It is not Firefox's decision when to upgrade -- it is the user's or
system operator's.
The second problem is that restarting one's browser has many side effects.
For example, if one window or tab is in a video conference, forcing a restart
of Firefox ejects the user from their video conference. If a video or audio
file is merely playing in another window or tab, it is
interrupted and not necessarily resumed after restart in the right place.
Cookies and permissions (e.g. for NoScript) are not carried forward after a
restart, when they are set to persist only for one session.
If the Mozilla Corporation has firmly and permanently decided that it
doesn't believe in the freedom of the end-users of its software, then
Ubuntu should ship a patched version that DOES give its end-users
freedom, by restoring the setting to disable automated updates.
Firefox would continue to be able to be updated by the usual update-
manager GUI (which IS under the control of the user), apt-get, or by
the user explicitly installing new versions via dpkg or by building
from source code.
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1961010] Re: firefox doesn't let its user control how or when it upgrades
Thank you. Yes, about:buildconfig shows the --disable-updater flag.
And software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2 showed that the setting for
security updates was to download and install them immediately.
I have changed that setting to only download security updates rather
than to install them immediately. This should allow me to schedule
updates to Firefox when its ongoing continuity is not critical.
(Somehow when I run update-manager, it regularly finds "Security
updates" that have not been immediately applied, even though the setting
was formerly "Download and install immediately". Are "Security updates"
in update-manager different from the "security pocket" that Firefox
updates occur in?
Thank you for the diagnosis.
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Title:
firefox doesn't let its user control how or when it upgrades
Status in firefox package in Ubuntu:
Invalid
Bug description:
The Firefox package does not act like ordinary packages. When it is
running, it forcibly downloads upgraded binary versions of itself and
then forces the user to restart Firefox and run the new version.
There used to be a Firefox setting by which the user could control
this, but it has been deliberately removed.
This is problematic in many ways. The first way is that it undermines
the user's control over their own environment. The essential element
of free software is that users control it, it does not control them.
If there is behavior that is undesirable, they can fix it, not just be
subjected to the arbitrary decisions of a distant corporation. For
example, some users require that they have a copy of the source code
that matches each binary package they are running. Firefox's covert
upgrades undermine this local user policy, installing binaries that
have no local matching source code. Other users may be using plugins
or other applications that do not work with later versions of Firefox.
It is not Firefox's decision when to upgrade -- it is the user's or
system operator's.
The second problem is that restarting one's browser has many side effects.
For example, if one window or tab is in a video conference, forcing a restart
of Firefox ejects the user from their video conference. If a video or audio
file is merely playing in another window or tab, it is
interrupted and not necessarily resumed after restart in the right place.
Cookies and permissions (e.g. for NoScript) are not carried forward after a
restart, when they are set to persist only for one session.
If the Mozilla Corporation has firmly and permanently decided that it
doesn't believe in the freedom of the end-users of its software, then
Ubuntu should ship a patched version that DOES give its end-users
freedom, by restoring the setting to disable automated updates.
Firefox would continue to be able to be updated by the usual update-
manager GUI (which IS under the control of the user), apt-get, or by
the user explicitly installing new versions via dpkg or by building
from source code.
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
Package: firefox 97.0+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.13.0-28.31~20.04.1-generic 5.13.19
Uname: Linux 5.13.0-28-generic x86_64
AddonCompatCheckDisabled: False
ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.21
Architecture: amd64
AudioDevicesInUse:
USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
/dev/snd/controlC2: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
/dev/snd/controlC1: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
/dev/snd/controlC0: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
BuildID: 20220202182137
CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
Channel: Unavailable
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Feb 15 22:55:07 2022
ForcedLayersAccel: False
IncompatibleExtensions:
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English (South Africa) Language Pack - langpack-en...@firefox.mozilla.org
English (GB) Language Pack - langpack-en...@firefox.mozilla.org
Default - {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}
InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-05-04 (652 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS "Focal Fossa" - Release amd64 (20200423)
IpRoute:
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PrefErrors: Unexpected character ',' before close parenthesis @
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PrefSources: prefs.js
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Profil
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1961010] Re: firefox doesn't let its user control how or when it upgrades
Automatic background updates of firefox are disabled in the Ubuntu
builds (see the `--disable-updater` flag in about:buildconfig). Could it
be that you're running an upstream version instead of the Ubuntu
package?
Note however that apt updates to the Ubuntu package are distributed through the
security pocket, and the default setting is to download and install security
updates automatically.
You can change that setting (`software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2`), but
beware that this will apply to all security updates. Alternatively you could
`apt-mark hold firefox`.
Interrupting users' browsing session is not optimal, but it is a trade-
off for improved security overall.
** Changed in: firefox (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Invalid
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Title:
firefox doesn't let its user control how or when it upgrades
Status in firefox package in Ubuntu:
Invalid
Bug description:
The Firefox package does not act like ordinary packages. When it is
running, it forcibly downloads upgraded binary versions of itself and
then forces the user to restart Firefox and run the new version.
There used to be a Firefox setting by which the user could control
this, but it has been deliberately removed.
This is problematic in many ways. The first way is that it undermines
the user's control over their own environment. The essential element
of free software is that users control it, it does not control them.
If there is behavior that is undesirable, they can fix it, not just be
subjected to the arbitrary decisions of a distant corporation. For
example, some users require that they have a copy of the source code
that matches each binary package they are running. Firefox's covert
upgrades undermine this local user policy, installing binaries that
have no local matching source code. Other users may be using plugins
or other applications that do not work with later versions of Firefox.
It is not Firefox's decision when to upgrade -- it is the user's or
system operator's.
The second problem is that restarting one's browser has many side effects.
For example, if one window or tab is in a video conference, forcing a restart
of Firefox ejects the user from their video conference. If a video or audio
file is merely playing in another window or tab, it is
interrupted and not necessarily resumed after restart in the right place.
Cookies and permissions (e.g. for NoScript) are not carried forward after a
restart, when they are set to persist only for one session.
If the Mozilla Corporation has firmly and permanently decided that it
doesn't believe in the freedom of the end-users of its software, then
Ubuntu should ship a patched version that DOES give its end-users
freedom, by restoring the setting to disable automated updates.
Firefox would continue to be able to be updated by the usual update-
manager GUI (which IS under the control of the user), apt-get, or by
the user explicitly installing new versions via dpkg or by building
from source code.
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
Package: firefox 97.0+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.13.0-28.31~20.04.1-generic 5.13.19
Uname: Linux 5.13.0-28-generic x86_64
AddonCompatCheckDisabled: False
ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.21
Architecture: amd64
AudioDevicesInUse:
USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
/dev/snd/controlC2: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
/dev/snd/controlC1: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
/dev/snd/controlC0: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
BuildID: 20220202182137
CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
Channel: Unavailable
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Feb 15 22:55:07 2022
ForcedLayersAccel: False
IncompatibleExtensions:
Global Menu Bar integration - globalm...@ubuntu.com
English (South Africa) Language Pack - langpack-en...@firefox.mozilla.org
English (GB) Language Pack - langpack-en...@firefox.mozilla.org
Default - {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}
InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-05-04 (652 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS "Focal Fossa" - Release amd64 (20200423)
IpRoute:
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MostRecentCrashID: bp-f3d4806a-b277-49a1-b452-902072161127
PrefErrors: Unexpected character ',' before close parenthesis @
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PrefSources: prefs.js
ProcEnviron:
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1961010] Re: firefox doesn't let its user control how or when it upgrades
Added screenshot that happens when this bug is triggered. Firefox
refuses to operate normally after this point, just displaying "Sorry. We
just need to do one small thing to keep going. Firefox has just been
updated in the background. Click Restart Firefox to complete the update.
We will restore all your pages, windows and tabs afterwards, so you can
be on your way quickly." over and over.
** Attachment added: "Screenshot from 2022-02-15 20-06-57.png"
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1961010/+attachment/5561208/+files/Screenshot%20from%202022-02-15%2020-06-57.png
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Title:
firefox doesn't let its user control how or when it upgrades
Status in firefox package in Ubuntu:
New
Bug description:
The Firefox package does not act like ordinary packages. When it is
running, it forcibly downloads upgraded binary versions of itself and
then forces the user to restart Firefox and run the new version.
There used to be a Firefox setting by which the user could control
this, but it has been deliberately removed.
This is problematic in many ways. The first way is that it undermines
the user's control over their own environment. The essential element
of free software is that users control it, it does not control them.
If there is behavior that is undesirable, they can fix it, not just be
subjected to the arbitrary decisions of a distant corporation. For
example, some users require that they have a copy of the source code
that matches each binary package they are running. Firefox's covert
upgrades undermine this local user policy, installing binaries that
have no local matching source code. Other users may be using plugins
or other applications that do not work with later versions of Firefox.
It is not Firefox's decision when to upgrade -- it is the user's or
system operator's.
The second problem is that restarting one's browser has many side effects.
For example, if one window or tab is in a video conference, forcing a restart
of Firefox ejects the user from their video conference. If a video or audio
file is merely playing in another window or tab, it is
interrupted and not necessarily resumed after restart in the right place.
Cookies and permissions (e.g. for NoScript) are not carried forward after a
restart, when they are set to persist only for one session.
If the Mozilla Corporation has firmly and permanently decided that it
doesn't believe in the freedom of the end-users of its software, then
Ubuntu should ship a patched version that DOES give its end-users
freedom, by restoring the setting to disable automated updates.
Firefox would continue to be able to be updated by the usual update-
manager GUI (which IS under the control of the user), apt-get, or by
the user explicitly installing new versions via dpkg or by building
from source code.
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
Package: firefox 97.0+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.13.0-28.31~20.04.1-generic 5.13.19
Uname: Linux 5.13.0-28-generic x86_64
AddonCompatCheckDisabled: False
ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.21
Architecture: amd64
AudioDevicesInUse:
USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
/dev/snd/controlC2: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
/dev/snd/controlC1: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
/dev/snd/controlC0: gnu2520 F pulseaudio
BuildID: 20220202182137
CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
Channel: Unavailable
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Feb 15 22:55:07 2022
ForcedLayersAccel: False
IncompatibleExtensions:
Global Menu Bar integration - globalm...@ubuntu.com
English (South Africa) Language Pack - langpack-en...@firefox.mozilla.org
English (GB) Language Pack - langpack-en...@firefox.mozilla.org
Default - {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}
InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-05-04 (652 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS "Focal Fossa" - Release amd64 (20200423)
IpRoute:
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RunningIncompatibleAddons: True
SourcePackage: firefox
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