[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-software - 46.1-1 --- gnome-software (46.1-1) unstable; urgency=high * New upstream release -- Jeremy Bícha Mon, 29 Apr 2024 17:05:57 -0400 ** Changed in: gnome-software (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
This has been done in Debian Unstable and I have requested a Feature Freeze Exception to land these changes in Ubuntu 24.04 LTS. See https://launchpad.net/bugs/2056767 ** Changed in: gnome-software (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Fix Committed Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
> we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) This is not possible. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
Yes, I agree that this is a valid request and should be looked into. It will need coordination with the Ubuntu desktop flavors that are not currently using Ubuntu's App Center. Also, this is the kind of work that is done in the development version of Ubuntu (currently Noble Numbat) and is unlikely to affect existing stable Ubuntu releases like 22.04 LTS. ** Changed in: gnome-software (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged ** Changed in: gnome-software (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
Part of the work has already been done here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ideas-for-improving-the-experience-with- flatpak-packages-in-ubuntu/39643/16?u=milachew Also, after studying the patch, it will be better to understand what I was trying to convey. (my idea was to separate, not remove, packagekit/dpkg from GNOME Software and offer to install it only when it is really needed, and not always when GNOME Software is installed) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
Also, I would like to emphasize that I am essentially just suggesting that make gnome-software more "modular". I'm not proposing to completely eliminate/cut out and not ship PackageKit as a basic package, if it's really needed somewhere. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
Matthias, I did not suggest to remove PackageKit support completely. I was suggesting to separate PackageKit and make it a separate plugin. This would make it possible to install GNOME Software exclusively with the flatpak plugin, for those times when you only need to install flatpak to the current Ubuntu installations which already include the Snap Store by default. At the moment when trying to add something related to flatpak, one more store (besides Snap Store) is installed which operates with deb packages. This makes no sense, since Snap Store already does this (and it does it, as I understand, wherever snap is installed). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
Not sure what you mean, but a GNOME Software with no PackageKit would mean that users are completely unable to install or remove any application from the Ubuntu archive, in addition to flavors not being able to use offline upgrades anymore. So this sounds like a suggestion with tons of huge drawbacks and annoyances to users, and no (?) advantage at all. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2019137] Re: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit
** Changed in: gnome-software (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to gnome-software in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2019137 Title: gnome-software should (?) be separated from the packagekit Status in gnome-software package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Given that the Snap Store is currently the default in Ubuntu instead of GNOME Software, the only reason GNOME Software (along with the Snap Store) can be installed is to support Flatpak applications. In the current instance, if you want to add flatpak support, GNOME Software is installed with both the apt packagekit add-on and the flatpak plugin, which is duplication of work (Software Updater already works on updates, and Snap Store works on showing deb apps). And since the future app store explicitly refuses [1], [2] to support flatpak applications, users who need this package format will be forced to put GNOME Software with everything I pointed out above. Therefore, it would be very nice if the developers removed the packagekit add-on from the "gnome-software part" and made it a "plug- in for gnome-software". I, unfortunately, have no such experience with packaging deb packages at the moment, and it turns out that it will obviously be necessary to work out both the code part (which, as far as I can see, won't be very difficult [3]), as well as the part where we will have to figure out where and how to insert the plugin as mandatory (for example, when the user completely gives up on snap packages) and as optional (because the Snap Store already stands). Also, let me know if this needs to be sent to upstream (Debian) instead of here. --- 1. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/126 2. https://github.com/ubuntu-flutter-community/software/issues/30 3. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1031279 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/2019137/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
