[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Abdurrahim
I am surprised how much ignorant one can get. When I saw won't fix I see
why linux wont making any progress. Now I see why there are so much
forks on Linux no one can stand this much ignorance.

Let me correct one thing here:

"Win/MacOS have less toolkits to worry about *and* they control almost
the whole stack :)"

Totally wrong. This shows how big ignorant you are getting. Just check
how real-world works:
http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/ipoint.exe.html

Just thinking about explain of Unix philosophy to "Linux" developer
especially who works on X11 what I admired most says this blown my mind
away so I registered and wanted to make records for history so maybe
someone in next gen would understand that all were not ignorant.

Ok let me give you one of the best rules about Unix philosophy maybe it
may cleanse your ignorance: Rule of modularity. If you cannot maintain
all you simply modularize it. If you cant handle mouse driver
accelaration leave it modularized. If you still don't have idea or don't
understand with example I gave on Windows and best rule about Unix don't
try to understand either

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Albzey
First thing, I would reopen this bug report (remove the WONTFIX) - it
really doesn't matter if it's not clear yet where to implement this.

On the topic at where to implement this:

Conceptually, mouse scroll wheel acceleration is really the same thing
as mouse cursor movement acceleration. That's why I think it would make
most sense to implement at the same place, like I did in my initial
implementation.

Note that while I'm not sure if my initial implementation was the most
optimal way to implement this, it actually worked great, in all
applications. The only thing which optionally could have made it even
better would be if the applications all would do pixel-based scrolling
and not more, but even if the applications behave just like they do,
line-based scrolling or whatever other scrolling behavior, they don't
need to know and they should not need to know about any underlying mouse
scroll wheel acceleration. Just like they also should not need to know
about mouse cursor move acceleration.

Maybe 3D games are an exception, which would want to disable mouse
cursor move acceleration because they use the mouse cursor movement in a
different way. The same argument might be true for mouse scroll wheel
acceleration. This is again an argument that mouse scroll wheel
acceleration should be handled in the same way as mouse cursor move
acceleration.

I don't exactly understand why we are not looking at MacOSX how and at what 
level it is implemented there. It is a solved problem on MacOSX and works 
great. So about any question like at what level to implement it, why not do it 
like it's done on MacOSX?
So, I did some research on this, and here are some links, or keywords to look 
at and search for:
https://gist.github.com/svoisen/5215826
kCGScrollWheelEventIsContinuous
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/68ac3a05284cd246589a38843f2ba5b20ed5db72%5E!/
https://codereview.chromium.org/42607
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24813
https://github.com/adobe/webkit/blob/master/Source/WebCore/platform/mac/WebCoreSystemInterface.mm
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45155
http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/66812/webkit
https://github.com/aosm/IOHIDFamily/blob/d36f126e5b8d3183a037c453df7feedaba874553/IOHIDSystem/IOKit/hidsystem/IOHIPointing.h
https://github.com/aosm/IOHIDFamily/blob/d36f126e5b8d3183a037c453df7feedaba874553/IOHIDSystem/IOHIPointing.cpp
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44196338/where-is-mouse-cursor-movement

So, I guess the implementation of the main logic of the scroll acceleration can 
be found in that file IOHIPointing.cpp.
You even find that the pointer (mouse cursor) and (scroll) wheel share the same 
structure to handle the acceleration:

struct IOHIPointing::ExpansionData
{
UInt32  scrollType;

ScrollAccelInfo * scrollWheelInfo;
ScrollAccelInfo * scrollPointerInfo;
...
}

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403] Re: [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

2018-12-19 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: xorg-server
   Status: Confirmed => Unknown

** Bug watch added: bugs.webkit.org/ #24813
   https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24813

** Bug watch added: bugs.webkit.org/ #45155
   https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45155

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Adam Goode
(In reply to Peter Hutterer from comment #16)
> Adam: I'm really hesitant to put it into libinput because I'm not sure the
> problem scope is well understood (at least by me) and what the actual point
> of it is. So far it's been a "would be nice" but - at least these days :) -
> we require a bit more information about use-cases and precise behaviours.
> 
> libinput provides two values for wheels: physical degrees and concrete
> steps, so for most events on most mice you get a (15°, 1 step) tuple. There
> is no room for acceleration there, if anything the acceleration would have
> to be in the xf86-input-libinput driver. There we recently added a patch to
> adjust the scroll distance based on the angle (see Bug 92772) so a wheel can
> now produce smooth scrolling for XI2 clients.
> 
> But as for any actual acceleration, someone (you? :) would have to come up
> with a good plan of what the actual use-case is to solve and how to solve
> it. Not necessarily with code at first but at least to get a good idea of
> what's happening. And of course we'll need buy-in from the bigger desktop
> environments.

I've been thinking a bit about this. Let me start with this proposal (I
can open a new bug if we want to continue this).

Use case:
- Scrolling through a long document is slow with a mouse wheel

Prior work showing benefits of wheel acceleration:
- macOS
- Chrome OS

Requirements:
- Don't break anything
- Require minimum changes from clients

Proposal:
- Mouse wheel acceleration at the libinput level, only for mouse wheels
- Do no acceleration on values returned from 
libinput_event_pointer_get_axis_value_discrete, this keeps the promise in the 
API of reporting "physical mouse wheel clicks" and keeps us from needing to 
implement a new "get unaccelerated" API
- Ensure that legacy X wheel events (pre-XI2.1) are not accelerated

Open questions:
- Does this cover enough clients without breaking things? Chrome and Firefox 
support XI2.1, so this would accelerate those programs.
- Under X or XWayland, is it possible to accelerate XI2.1 events but not the 
legacy events? Or are the legacy events generated automatically?
- Or is it ok to accelerate legacy X wheel events? emacs has scroll 
acceleration already, and other clients may as well.


Again, I can open another bug if this seems reasonable. I don't want this to 
continue in a WONTFIX bug :)

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Peter Hutterer
(In reply to main.haarp from comment #17)
> Configurable acceleration on the input device driver level would solve this
> nicely. You could have fast scrolling when you need it, and even still
> retain slow but precise scrolling when you don't.

I feel this is solving the wrong problem. If the document is long enough that 
scrolling acceleration is needed, the application (or toolkit) should honor 
that and provide the appropriate methods - that may include acceleration.
libinput sits too low to have the semantic awareness here. For example, 
scrolling events during alt-tab switch between applications but libinput 
doesn't know that, it merely forwards the hardware events.

This is also the reason why libinput doesn't do kinetic scrolling, it
merely forwards enough information that a caller can implement it
accurately.


(In reply to Albert Zeyer from comment #19)
> You can make the same argument for normal mouse cursor movement, where mouse
> cursor acceleration is a pretty standard thing. And I think it makes even
> more sense for mouse wheel scrolling than it does for mouse cursor movement.

yes, but we've had multiple decades of pointer acceleration being a
thing. mouse wheel acceleration is less ubiquitous, which is why we
should review the reasons for doing it.

> Also, you would want to make the movement/scrolling as fast as possible. For
> mouse cursor movement, this might be less of a problem because the screen is
> usually of finite size and usually not so big anyway. That is why I think it
> is even more important for scrolling than for cursor movement. The scroll
> area can usually be much larger (e.g. a whole book) or even be infinite and
> you might want to skip over huge parts at once.

judging by the general push towards touch-sensitive interfaces in the
industry and the interfaces feeding back into old-style interfaces, it
seems a better solution here would be to have kinetic scrolling on the
scroll wheel. Which I think enlightenment already does.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread clel
So if handling this in libinput causes problems, maybe there is a different 
central place where to implement it.
How do Windows or MacOS handle this, as it is probably working without issues 
there?

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Abdurrahim
I am surprised how much ignorant one can get. When I saw won't fix I see
why linux wont making any progress. Now I see why there are so much
forks on Linux no one can stand this much ignorance.

Let me correct one thing here:

"Win/MacOS have less toolkits to worry about *and* they control almost
the whole stack :)"

Totally wrong. This shows how big ignorant you are getting. Just check
how real-world works:
http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/ipoint.exe.html

Just thinking about explain of Unix philosophy to "Linux" developer
especially who works on X11 what I admired most says this blown my mind
away so I registered and wanted to make records for history so maybe
someone in next gen would understand that all were not ignorant.

Ok let me give you one of the best rules about Unix philosophy maybe it
may cleanse your ignorance: Rule of modularity. If you cannot maintain
all you simply modularize it. If you cant handle mouse driver
accelaration leave it modularized. If you still don't have idea or don't
understand with example I gave on Windows and best rule about Unix don't
try to understand either

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread evgom
I would like see this fixed. I don't know why the people don't see it
this like a problem.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Albzey
As there are no objections against reopening this (actually no response
at all), I'm reopening now.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Peter Hutterer
(In reply to main.haarp from comment #21)
> If  acceleration depends on the toolkit/application, I fear it'll remain a
> toy for select applications on modern distros only.

it's a thin line between adding these features for legacy applications
and screwing things up for new applications that could do it better
themselves. the worst mistake we made along these lines was kinetic
scrolling in the synaptics driver, in addition to the various bugs it
also made it impossible for clients to implement it properly themselves.
something like wheel acceleration would be the same, it is transparent
to the point that it makes smart acceleration in a client virtually
impossible.


(In reply to Claudius Ellsel from comment #22)
> So if handling this in libinput causes problems, maybe there is a different
> central place where to implement it.
> How do Windows or MacOS handle this, as it is probably working without
> issues there?

Win/MacOS have less toolkits to worry about *and* they control almost the whole 
stack :)
it'd be possible to add it as additional data in libinput but then you still 
require the compositor to pass the data on. Which requires a) updates to the 
software and b) a wayland protocol to send that data on which again requires 
a), so legacy applications are still out in the void.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Unknown
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Main-haarp
(In reply to Peter Hutterer from comment #16)
> Adam: I'm really hesitant to put it into libinput because I'm not sure the
> problem scope is well understood (at least by me) and what the actual point
> of it is. So far it's been a "would be nice" but - at least these days :) -
> we require a bit more information about use-cases and precise behaviours.
> 

At least from my corner of mouse usage, the problem is that X has no
scroll distance multiplier like Windows does. Scrolling is slow.

Some applications have their own mechanisms to deal with that, like
Firefox's hidden about:config preferences, or extensions for Chrome. Or
you can also try to hack something together with imwheel.

If it's a touchpad, you can reduce the distance needed to send one
"scroll event". This makes scrolling faster, but also less accurate and
more error-prone.

Obviously none of these solutions are very good.

The future is going towards smooth scrolling, which is an incredible
experience. But while it's buttery smooth, it still doesn't solve the
problem of configurable scroll speed/distance.

Configurable acceleration on the input device driver level would solve
this nicely. You could have fast scrolling when you need it, and even
still retain slow but precise scrolling when you don't.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Peter Hutterer
Adam: I'm really hesitant to put it into libinput because I'm not sure
the problem scope is well understood (at least by me) and what the
actual point of it is. So far it's been a "would be nice" but - at least
these days :) - we require a bit more information about use-cases and
precise behaviours.

libinput provides two values for wheels: physical degrees and concrete
steps, so for most events on most mice you get a (15°, 1 step) tuple.
There is no room for acceleration there, if anything the acceleration
would have to be in the xf86-input-libinput driver. There we recently
added a patch to adjust the scroll distance based on the angle (see Bug
92772) so a wheel can now produce smooth scrolling for XI2 clients.

But as for any actual acceleration, someone (you? :) would have to come
up with a good plan of what the actual use-case is to solve and how to
solve it. Not necessarily with code at first but at least to get a good
idea of what's happening. And of course we'll need buy-in from the
bigger desktop environments.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread clel
To explain my understanding of acceleration:

The mouse wheel has a certain amount of lines that are scrolled with
each scroll. This is often called "scroll speed"

An acceleration would increase/decrease the scroll speed dynamically
based on how often the wheel scrolls in a certain amount of time. So if
I rotate the wheel fast also the speed is increased meaning one also
needs to rotate the wheel as often as one would need to if scrolling
slower. I think this is the usecase - accuracy or speed in scrolling can
be delivered as needed.

I am not sure, whether there is also something like scroll speed
implemented. At least KDE offers a setting for it.

So if speed is implemented one can implement "acceleration" as something
that changes the speed. Also I'd suggest a changeable value how strong
the acceleration will be.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Main-haarp
(In reply to Peter Hutterer from comment #20)
> (In reply to main.haarp from comment #17)
> If the document is long enough
> that scrolling acceleration is needed, the application (or toolkit) should
> honor that and provide the appropriate methods - that may include
> acceleration.
> libinput sits too low to have the semantic awareness here. For example,
> scrolling events during alt-tab switch between applications but libinput
> doesn't know that, it merely forwards the hardware events.

You have a point there, libinput will always lack the semantic awareness
and thus not provide an ideal solution.

But I'll have to disagree. In an ideal world, you can offload
acceleration to the app/toolkit. But since we have tons of legacy
applications or developers unaware or unwilling to implement
acceleration, they'll never receive the benefits. And even if they
implement it, you get lots of duplicated efforts and functionality
between apps.

If  acceleration depends on the toolkit/application, I fear it'll remain
a toy for select applications on modern distros only.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Albzey
(In reply to Peter Hutterer from comment #16)
> Adam: I'm really hesitant to put it into libinput because I'm not sure the
> problem scope is well understood (at least by me) and what the actual point
> of it is. So far it's been a "would be nice" but - at least these days :) -
> we require a bit more information about use-cases and precise behaviours.

I'm not exactly sure why the point is not clear.

You can make the same argument for normal mouse cursor movement, where
mouse cursor acceleration is a pretty standard thing. And I think it
makes even more sense for mouse wheel scrolling than it does for mouse
cursor movement.

In all cases, you want to be able to make precise movements, as precise
as what the application allows (pixel based or line based but e.g. for
scrolling a list, I think a nicer experience is pixel based in all
cases). So this requires that the minimum possible scroll/movement speed
greater zero is as low as possible (e.g. 1 pixel).

Also, you would want to make the movement/scrolling as fast as possible.
For mouse cursor movement, this might be less of a problem because the
screen is usually of finite size and usually not so big anyway. That is
why I think it is even more important for scrolling than for cursor
movement. The scroll area can usually be much larger (e.g. a whole book)
or even be infinite and you might want to skip over huge parts at once.

By acceleration, you solve this nicely as this dynamically adapts the
speed. It will be slow if you move slowly but it can be as fast as you
want.

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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread clel
Alright. It is a bit sad though that apparently no developer seems to be
interested in making Linux competitive with the two other big operating
systems in this case.

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread clel
Any updates on this?

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Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Adam Goode
I am interested in doing a libinput-based wheel acceleration.

Peter: are you opposed to libinput mouse wheel acceleration in general,
or are you open to patches there? I think it could fit in cleanly.

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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403]

2018-12-19 Thread Peter Hutterer
i guess the only update is a WONTFIX, given that this has been
languishing for 6 years now. input stuff like this is moving to libinput
anyway, and I don't think I'll implement mouse wheel acceleration there
either.

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Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403] Re: [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

2017-07-01 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: xorg-server
   Status: Won't Fix => Confirmed

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Status in X.Org X server:
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Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403] Re: [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

2017-06-05 Thread Austin
** Changed in: xorg-server (Ubuntu)
   Status: Opinion => Confirmed

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Status in X.Org X server:
  Won't Fix
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403] Re: [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

2017-02-08 Thread Albert Zeyer
Well, there is some ongoing discussion here:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29905

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Won't Fix
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Opinion

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403] Re: [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

2017-02-04 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: xorg-server
   Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Won't Fix
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Opinion

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403] Re: [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

2016-09-23 Thread clel
Any updates?

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Confirmed
Status in xorg-server package in Ubuntu:
  Opinion

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 619403] Re: [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

2014-05-01 Thread mahmoud khattab
** Changed in: xorg-server (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Opinion

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Title:
  [KDE] no option for mouse wheel acceleration

Status in X.Org X server:
  Confirmed
Status in “xorg-server” package in Ubuntu:
  Opinion

Bug description:
  I am very used to mouse wheel acceleration but I haven't found any
  setting for it in the KDE settings.

  Also, the maximum possible value you can fill there (strangely it
  counts per lines) still is very slow.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
  Package: kdebase (not installed)
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-24.39-generic-pae 2.6.32.15+drm33.5
  Uname: Linux 2.6.32-24-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Aug 17 20:50:50 2010
  InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100427)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: meta-kde

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