Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
*"I understand some people rename files like that, but..."* Apperantly you do not. It is not convenient what you aren't used to, period. It does not matter at all what reasoning you come up with. On 8 May 2013 19:47, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > I understand some people rename files like that, but in this very > specific case the removed method is considerably worse than the left > one. Perhaps it's more intuitive for some people, but its horrible. > > In my long years as Windows user, even before having used any different > operating system before, I used to ask myself who the hell would like to > rename files using such a slow method; and many times seen users getting > confused renaming files by accident. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 > > Title: > Cannot rename by clicking on a file > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: > Confirmed > Status in Nautilus: > Confirmed > Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: > Triaged > > Bug description: > In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on > the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. > > Isn't it a useful feature to have? > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
I could even hit F2. The point is that people socialised on Windows always try to click twice first. Anything else is inconvenient, any reasoning and "why don't you..." is perfectly pointless and ignorant. On 8 May 2013 17:53, Lem <48...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > @Martin: If you really want to use the mouse, what's wrong with right > click file -> rename? The second it takes to activate and navigate a > context menu is the same as waiting for the delay for left-click-rename. > Don't tell me you've got a one button mouse :P > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 > > Title: > Cannot rename by clicking on a file > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: > Confirmed > Status in Nautilus: > Confirmed > Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: > Triaged > > Bug description: > In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on > the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. > > Isn't it a useful feature to have? > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
So roughly 90% of PC users can be ignored. And you wonder why Linux is unable to gain popularity. And you say it's freedom when you decide how others should think and act. You try to educate hardware manufacturers the exact same way, this one of the reasons they don't care about Linux support. And they are damn right, arrogant people in the Linux community do not deserve it, they can do it on their own, the freedom is there to do so. (MS showed the exact same arrogance with Win8 UI, the only difference is they realised they screwed up badly.) Just to add to your high reasoning. There aren't many people around who rename files for a living, so time doesn't really matter in this case, convenience does. Clicking again a second later is convenient, and then selecting the position where you want to edit is convenient also. When you have to rename a lot of files, you do a batch rename, not the F2 BS. Activating renaming by accident happens once in a blue moon, to exit it all you have to do is to do what you really wanted, inactivating the file item or reactivating will cancel the renaming in Windows Explorer. On 8 May 2013 10:45, Petko Ditchev <48...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > I agree that most times GNOME/Unity devs cut too much of the settings > out , but in this case I don't think this is something important enough > that it should go into the settings (it's out of the question for > defaults - despite the fact that most people working with windows have > gotten used to renaming this way - it's slow and you get into it by > accident . It's just not that good from the get go ) Just get used to > using F2 for renaming , because this is not really a Windows->Linux > adaptation issue that someone is going to seriosly look into. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 > > Title: > Cannot rename by clicking on a file > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: > Confirmed > Status in Nautilus: > Confirmed > Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: > Triaged > > Bug description: > In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on > the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. > > Isn't it a useful feature to have? > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
You can wait for that, they don't give a crap about user requests. The entire Gnome/Unity UI concept is going against most users' needs. On 7 May 2013 15:47, BS-Harou wrote: > @Lem: Most of the time I don't really need to write a new name. Mostly I > just want to copy the name or remove part of the name. Also I use both > Windows and Ubuntu and I don't want two different behaviors in my head. > I like the Windows way better and I'd like to stick with what I'm use to > - that is click-wait-click. I don't mind if it is not default behavior. > All I need is an option to turn it on. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 > > Title: > Cannot rename by clicking on a file > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: > Confirmed > Status in Nautilus: > Confirmed > Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: > Triaged > > Bug description: > In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on > the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. > > Isn't it a useful feature to have? > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
2013/5/7 BS-Harou > I just want to say I really miss this feature in ubuntu. Every time I > want to rename a file I firstly try this only to realize it is not > possible. I prefer using mouse to keyboard as much as possible and not > having this feature is really sad. > Just get use of using F2. I got used now and the F2 shortcut works on other OSes too. So now it doesn't annoy me anymore ;-] -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
Of course, on Mac OS, you can also hit return to rename a file: http://www.tuaw.com/2007/04/26/mac-101-a-simple-trick-to-rename-files/ In Nautilus and on Windows, this opens the file, which is pretty expensive and surprising if you do it by mistake... On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:53 AM, David Huggins Daines wrote: > @Seb: I'm sorry, actually it was me that revived this discussion with a > rather flaming diatribe. Thank you for directing me to the original > Nautilus bug - for some reason Google doesn't pick it up, and I really > wanted to know what the process was that led to this decision. I find it > surprising, because it violates what I think of as generally accepted human > interface guidelines (don't require right clicks or keyboard shortcuts, > direct manipulation, etc). > > For me this is a papercut, as I use Windows and Mac OS X regularly and am > always surprised when I try to use Nautilus in the same way as I'd use the > Finder or Explorer. Of course, on Linux, it's often much faster (though > not very user-friendly) to just use the shell to manage files. > > I know there's some concern that people will rename files accidentally, > but on Mac OS, click-to-rename only happens if you click on the filename, > not on the icon. This seems like a pretty good compromise as it makes it > clear that you're trying to operate on the file name and not the file > itself. I've seen this user interface pattern elsewhere too... > > > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > >> @Martian: could you please stop those sneaking comments? they are not >> welcome here >> >> To maintain a respectful atmosphere, please follow the code of conduct - >> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct . Bug reports are >> handled by humans, the majority of whom are volunteers, so please bear >> this in mind. >> >> It's also worth noting that you discuss with other users, they share >> their option but are not the one who implemented the current behaviour >> or decided or it, so "justify your...decision" is just plainly false, >> they didn't decide of anything and have no justification to give >> >> also, options are not a solution to usability issues, that's just >> complicating the UI for everyone and often not a step in the right >> direction >> >> -- >> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug >> report. >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 >> >> Title: >> Cannot rename by clicking on a file >> >> To manage notifications about this bug go to: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions >> > > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
@Seb: I'm sorry, actually it was me that revived this discussion with a rather flaming diatribe. Thank you for directing me to the original Nautilus bug - for some reason Google doesn't pick it up, and I really wanted to know what the process was that led to this decision. I find it surprising, because it violates what I think of as generally accepted human interface guidelines (don't require right clicks or keyboard shortcuts, direct manipulation, etc). For me this is a papercut, as I use Windows and Mac OS X regularly and am always surprised when I try to use Nautilus in the same way as I'd use the Finder or Explorer. Of course, on Linux, it's often much faster (though not very user-friendly) to just use the shell to manage files. I know there's some concern that people will rename files accidentally, but on Mac OS, click-to-rename only happens if you click on the filename, not on the icon. This seems like a pretty good compromise as it makes it clear that you're trying to operate on the file name and not the file itself. I've seen this user interface pattern elsewhere too... On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > @Martian: could you please stop those sneaking comments? they are not > welcome here > > To maintain a respectful atmosphere, please follow the code of conduct - > http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct . Bug reports are > handled by humans, the majority of whom are volunteers, so please bear > this in mind. > > It's also worth noting that you discuss with other users, they share > their option but are not the one who implemented the current behaviour > or decided or it, so "justify your...decision" is just plainly false, > they didn't decide of anything and have no justification to give > > also, options are not a solution to usability issues, that's just > complicating the UI for everyone and often not a step in the right > direction > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 > > Title: > Cannot rename by clicking on a file > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
I'm sorry for having an opinion, I didn't know it's prohibited here. Also, I understand since Linux is a very simple and clear-out design in general, it would hurt the concept to give users freedom at the expense of simplicity. Forgive me for bothering you, won't happen ever again. On 13 December 2012 09:18, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > @Martian: could you please stop those sneaking comments? they are not > welcome here > > To maintain a respectful atmosphere, please follow the code of conduct - > http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct . Bug reports are > handled by humans, the majority of whom are volunteers, so please bear > this in mind. > > It's also worth noting that you discuss with other users, they share > their option but are not the one who implemented the current behaviour > or decided or it, so "justify your...decision" is just plainly false, > they didn't decide of anything and have no justification to give > > also, options are not a solution to usability issues, that's just > complicating the UI for everyone and often not a step in the right > direction > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 > > Title: > Cannot rename by clicking on a file > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: > Confirmed > Status in Nautilus: > Confirmed > Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: > Triaged > > Bug description: > In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on > the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. > > Isn't it a useful feature to have? > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
No, it doesn't happen often at all that you accidentally click on a file twice and on the file name the second time (millions of people are used to it), it's just an excuse to justify your silly decision. Like I said, implementing it as an option wouldn't hurt anybody, especially with a default setting disabled, and wouldn't take much of an effort either. But again, Linux people always know what's good for everybody and so everybody should adapt to them. Good luck with this approach and keep waiting for the year of the Linux. ;) On 13 December 2012 08:04, Bernhard <48...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Since the discussion started again, let us remind ourselves why we > didn't want this feature. There are too many accidental clicks and more > often than not you find yourselves renaming a file that you never wanted > to. > > Also happy that this feature does not exist in Linux. To Martian and > David, please use the right-click and rename option, it's just as quick > once you are used to it. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 > > Title: > Cannot rename by clicking on a file > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: > Confirmed > Status in Nautilus: > Confirmed > Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: > Triaged > > Bug description: > In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on > the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. > > Isn't it a useful feature to have? > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Confirmed Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Desktop-packages] [Bug 48671] Re: Cannot rename by clicking on a file
How much effort would it take to implement it as an option for those perverts who want it? This is a perfect example of the negligance and arrogance of the immature people in the open-sauce community, don't get surprised Linux still measures between zero and nothing as a desktop OS. On 12 December 2012 18:20, Lem <48...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Sorry to double post.. just thought I'd add that Nautilus in Ubuntu > 12.10 has "Rename" in the right-click menu. The only improvement there > from a UI point of view that I could suggest is having the keyboard > shortcuts listed beside the options, like regular menus have done for > years now. That would at least make it somewhat discoverable. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 > > Title: > Cannot rename by clicking on a file > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: > Invalid > Status in Nautilus: > Confirmed > Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: > Triaged > > Bug description: > In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on > the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. > > Isn't it a useful feature to have? > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/48671 Title: Cannot rename by clicking on a file Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Invalid Status in Nautilus: Confirmed Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: In Windows explorer, clicking a file and then clicking once more on the file name will enter "rename file" mode. Nautilus doesn't do this. Isn't it a useful feature to have? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48671/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
