Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME
On 2/26/07, Segedunum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bulk of the software written for Windows is still VC++/VB/COM, and there is a huge amount of binary stuff that is not even going to be recompiled, let alone have its code ported. That's where the effort needs to go, and where it should have already gone, if you want to make an alternative OS environment viable. Amen. It's certainly where I've been focusing my personal efforts for the last couple years. Anyone interested in hearing more, please contact me offlist. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that even now, many distributions still tout moving from Windows to Linux to organisations, but they have never seen just how relevant and important a piece of software like WINE is. Lindows did see it, and they put substantial resources into Wine for a while. This support was very helpful indeed. It was also an example of irrational exuberance; they were wrong to expect that Wine would be generally useful in the timeframe they needed. That was four years ago, though, and now Wine is in good enough shape that an energetic Linux distribution might reasonably decide We're going to support Photoshop or We're going to support Dreamweaver and get it to happen. Microsoft took a dump on VB developers whereby with .Net, for the first time, you couldn't open your existing code in the new environment and have it work. Also, given that COM support and backwards compatibility within Windows will only get worse over the years, there's a distinct possibility that WINE could give people better support for their existing applications - for as long as they want! Bryce Harrington's 'freedom' point does actually have a business benefit there, and I suspect many Windows users will feel it over the best part of the next ten years. Therein lies a large opportunity, and it's been there for some time. Indeed. I invite anyone interested in this opportunity to discuss it further with me offline... - Dan ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects
Re: [Desktop_architects] Desktop Meeting in Japan, Jun. 1
On 6/11/06, Chang-Won Ahn (ETRI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the important thing is that CJK don't want to be a free rider any more. I am sure that you should hear much more voices from asia back to the Open Community in the near future. The Wine Project is happy to report that somebody in China recently started contributing a steady flow of very useful bug fixes. (I guess that makes him a one-in-a-billion kinda guy!) Also, gcc has a few great Asian contributors, in particular, the maintainer for the sh-4 embedded processors. Their English is quite good, which seems to support the language barrier theory of why there have been few Asian contributions to date. - Dan ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects
Re: [Desktop_architects] DAM-II: Agenda proposal request for feedback
On 3/28/06, Bastian, Waldo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Tools to help enforce ABI stability FWIW, Satoru Takabayashi has a prototype 'abisum' command written in C++ that might help developers detect inadvertant ABI changes in their own shared libraries. Contact me if you're interested. - Dan ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects
Re: [Desktop_architects] Desktop linux talk slides
On 2/10/06, Bastian, Waldo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrt media codecs: Fluendo is offering free (beer) patent-licensed codecs for gstreamer. Mostly free as in speech as well, the source for the MP3 codec is available under the MIT license, but there are some restrictions due to the patent license. See http://www.fluendo.com/press/releases/PR-2005-05.html and http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=333 Thanks for the tip. That makes two sources for free-as-in-beer licensed codecs! Looks like it might not be something Ubuntu can ship, though: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/12/2156206 Printing: HP aims to offer open source drivers for all (most?) of its new printers via hplip, see http://sourceforge.net/projects/hpinkjet Yes, it looks like they're putting a lot of effort into it. Nevertheless, the HP deskjet my wife bought last year doesn't work with FC5 or Ubuntu 05.10, so they have a ways to go. Year of Desktop linux: Based on those signs I have good hopes for 2007 ;-) There is also an increasing number of sightings of pre-installed Linux notebooks. Yay! - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects
Re: [Desktop_architects] Applications and pre-installed machines
On 1/18/06, Hubert Figuiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need people to go sit in the trenches with the ISVs for a while, though, I think. I'm trying to do that with small ISVs who want to sell their Windows apps unchanged on Linux using Wine. No success stories yet, but I'm working on it :-) Corel did port the last WordPerfect for Linux (they released) using Wine, if I remember correctly. That was a while back. When I said no success stories yet, I meant with micro-ISVs that I myself helped. I have plenty of larger company Wine success stories listed at http://kegel.com/wine/isv/#case-studies including Borland and Kylix (though sometimes I wonder if it's a good idea to include failed products in a list of success stories!). - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects
[Desktop_architects] Xgl controversy
For those who haven't seen it already: a bit of controversy over closed development of Xgl: http://lwn.net/Articles/165205/ http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2005/12/wouldnt-be-it-be-nice.html -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects
Re: [Desktop_architects] Most wanted Application: Email
I'd like to declare shenanigans on this topic. IMHO email applications are somewhat beyond the scope of this list... On 12/21/05, Mike Shaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21-Dec-05, at 5:55 PM, Miller, Marc wrote: The trick then becomes to create demand for that server-end app by creating a client that supports compelling additional features without crippling the user for not having the server end of the solution. Do we need to do that for the Linux desktop to succeed? Mike ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org https://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop_architects
