We already did the migration of our sites to svnpubsub. We still need to 
migrate our dist folder.

AFAIU it is quite trivial. Instead of putting files manually into 
people.a.o:/www/www.apache.org/dist/ant/ we would have to commit them into a 
svn [1]. Deleting files from our main dist is just about doing some svn rm. And 
the ASF archive doesn't apply the svn rm so everything committed once gets into 
the archive.

As it would be managed by svnpubsub, changes will be reflected quite 
immediately to www.apache.org, as it does for our website. It won't change the 
mirroring delay though.

And if we are willing to, we have at our disposal de "dev" space where release 
to be voted upon can be "staged" [2]. And once the vote pass, just a "svn cp 
dev/xxx release/xxx && svn rm dev/xxx" does the actually publishing (it seems 
there are restrictions on svn mv).

A thing to note though: I guess that with svnpubsub, we cannot have symlinks (I 
have not ask the infra, not find any mention of them in the sparse doc). We 
have some in people.a.o:/www/www.apache.org/dist/ant/. On the other hand they 
doesn't appear on the site http://www.apache.org/dist/ant/. I guess it's OK.

We then just need to create an INFRA ticket asking for the transition. I guess 
we want the svn notifications sent to notificati...@ant.apache.org. Once the 
infra has created our space, we would just need to check in the current content 
of our dist.

A side effect will probably that ivy/updatesite/trunk/dist will disappeared 
from our svn. Maybe it would help in the management of the new Eclipse update 
site [3] [4].

I willing to ask for the migration this week unless there's some concern.

Nicolas

[1] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/
[2] https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/
[3] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/ivy/updatesite/branches/p2repo-only/
[4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IVYDE-281

Le 8 févr. 2012 à 13:26, Joe Schaefer a écrit :

> [PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS POST! DIRECT ALL FURTHER
> INQUIRIES TO infrastruct...@apache.org]
> 
> FYI: infrastructure policy regarding website hosting has
> changed as of November 2011: we are requiring all websites
> and dist/ dirs to be svnpubsub or ASF CMS backed by the end of 2012.
> If your PMC has already met this requirement congratulations,
> you can ignore the remainder of this post.
> 
> As stated on http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html#svnpubsub
> we are migrating our webserver infrastructure to 100% svnpubsub
> over the course of 2012.  If your site does not currently make
> use of this technology, it is time to consider a migration effort,
> as rsync-based sites will be PERMANENTLY FROZEN in Jan 2013 due 
> 
> to infra disabling the hourly rsync jobs.  While we recommend
> migrating to the ASF CMS [0] for Anakia based or Confluence based
> sites, and have provided tooling [1] to help facilitate this,
> we are only mandating svnpubsub (which the CMS uses itself).
> 
> svnpubsub is a client-server system whereby a client watches an
> svn working copy for relevant commit notifications from the svn
> server.  It subsequently runs svn up on the working copy, bringing
> in the relevant changes.  sites that use static build technologies
> that commit the build results to svn are naturally compatible with
> svnpubsub; simply file a JIRA ticket with INFRA to request a
> migration: any commits to the resulting build tree will be 
> 
> instantly picked up on the live site.
> 
> 
> The CMS is a more elaborate system based on svnpubsub which
> provides a webgui for convenient online editing.  Dozens of
> sites have already successfully deployed using the CMS and
> are quite happy with the results.  The system is sufficiently
> flexible to accommodate a wide variety of choices regarding
> templating systems and storage formats, but most sites have
> standardized on the combination of Django and Markdown.  Talk
> to infra if you would like to use the CMS in this or some other
> fashion, we'll see what we can do.
> 
> 
> NOTE: the policy for dist/ dirs for managing project releases is
> similar.  We have setup a dedicated svn server for handling this,
> please contact infra when you are ready to start using it.
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> [0]: http://www.apache.org/dev/cms
> [1]: https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/cms/conversion-utilities/
> 


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