Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-03-06 Thread Antoine Levy Lambert 
Congratulations EasyAnt,

Antoine
On Mar 6, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:

> I count:
> - 5 binding +1
> - 1 non-binding +1
> 
> The proposition is accepted.
> 
> Thank you all.
> 
> We'll go now to the incubator mailing lists to clear things up.
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> Le 27 févr. 2013 à 19:44, Nicolas Lalevée  a 
> écrit :
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the umbrella 
>> of the Ant PMC.
>> 
>> There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating 
>> hcatalog project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I 
>> think that our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF rules, 
>> but I'll remind here what is at stake, so there is no misunderstanding (I 
>> include myself on the potentially misunderstanding people).
>> 
>> EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
>> EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC (on 5 
>> committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
>> The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next 
>> releases of EasyAnt.
>> 
>> Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering my 
>> path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in svn. I 
>> started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and Ant.
>> 
>> Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same, 
>> somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity. And 
>> lately we succeeded to get a release out.
>> 
>> To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
>> - the EasyAnt project incubator page:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
>> - the archive of the mailing lists
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
>> - the release
>> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant
>> 
>> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
>> Please, cast your votes:
>> [ ] +1, I accept
>> [ ] +0, OK, but….
>> [ ] -1, I disapprove, because….
>> 
>> Nicolas
>> 
>> 
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[RESULT][VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-03-06 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
I count:
- 5 binding +1
- 1 non-binding +1

The proposition is accepted.

Thank you all.

We'll go now to the incubator mailing lists to clear things up.

Nicolas

Le 27 févr. 2013 à 19:44, Nicolas Lalevée  a écrit :

> Hi,
> 
> This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the umbrella 
> of the Ant PMC.
> 
> There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating hcatalog 
> project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I think that 
> our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF rules, but I'll 
> remind here what is at stake, so there is no misunderstanding (I include 
> myself on the potentially misunderstanding people).
> 
> EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
> EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC (on 5 
> committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
> The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next 
> releases of EasyAnt.
> 
> Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering my 
> path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in svn. I 
> started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and Ant.
> 
> Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same, 
> somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity. And 
> lately we succeeded to get a release out.
> 
> To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
> - the EasyAnt project incubator page:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
> - the archive of the mailing lists
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
> - the release
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant
> 
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> Please, cast your votes:
> [ ] +1, I accept
> [ ] +0, OK, but….
> [ ] -1, I disapprove, because….
> 
> Nicolas
> 
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-03-01 Thread Bruce Atherton 

A great big +1.

With Ivy, we decided that having a separate users mailing list made 
sense but that we were better off having a single developers mailing 
list for both projects. I suggest we do the same again with EasyAnt 
assuming the vote is successful this time, unless the EasyAnt committers 
would prefer to remain separate.


On 27/02/2013 10:44 AM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:

So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
Please, cast your votes:
[ ] +1, I accept
[ ] +0, OK, but….
[ ] -1, I disapprove, because….





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RE: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-28 Thread Tim Enderling 
Hi,

that's great news! We will we very happy to provide you with feedback.

Best Regards,
Tim

PS: Odd thing aside: I worked on a company intern concept to modularize Ant 
builds of software enriched with Ivy-meta data for a few months now (without 
tying us to Maven). Not knowing that there was EasyAnt and working on the basis 
of only Ant and Ivy I came to very similar conclusions regarding the design. 
Some of the technical details are even identical! - like providing paths to 
artifacts of a build module's dependencies in Ant paths like 
"acme#foo.foo.properties.file" to use them in Ant imports/includes. And I 
already stumbled upon the extension you brought into Ant and Ivy and was going 
to rely on them, not knowing where they actually came from. I'm very pleased to 
see, that someone has shared my thoughts and brought them a lot further :-)

> -Original Message-
> From: Jean-Louis Boudart [mailto:jeanlouis.boud...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2013 12:05
> To: Ant Developers List
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2
> 
> We will publish a updated documentation soon (probably tonight).
> 
> Currently, the community is really small as prior releases was using
> patched version of Ant and Ivy (mainly to introduce missing features sur as
> extensionPoints in Ant, or module inheritence in Ivy). This was probably a
> major issue, and explain why we didn't communicate too much outside of
> ant-dev mailing list about it.
> 
> We've made lot of work to contribute back our modifications to both tools
> and we now use official releases. In future we plan to bring more valuable
> features to both Ant and Ivy. This is one of the main reason motivating us
> to enter in ASF.
> In the meantime we changed a lot of structuring stuff in easyant itself to
> remain flexible and easier to use.
> 
> This release is a huge step for the project. And it's now time to promote
> EasyAnt as a usable tool and to widen the community.
> 
> Your feedback will be really appreciated.
> 
> 
> 2013/2/28 Tim Enderling 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I didn't know that EasyAnt is still alive. EasyAnt might be exactly what
> > we are looking for in a solution to modularize our build system and
> > software. Some questions:
> >
> > Is there a more up-to-date documentation than the one at
> >
> http://incubator.apache.org/easyant/history/trunk/reference.html?Fromskimmi
> ng through (and besides there a quite a few obvious mistakes in it)
> > it seems to refer to a release prior to 0.9.
> >
> > Also: How large is the community of EasyAnt, are there any references for
> > software projects using it? (I tried to get an idea for that by searching
> > for EasyAnt on stackoverflow, but that didn't turn out well.)
> >
> > Thanks a lot
> > Tim Enderling
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Nicolas Lalevée [mailto:nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org]
> > > Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2013 19:44
> > > To: Ant Developers List
> > > Subject: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the
> > > umbrella of the Ant PMC.
> > >
> > > There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating
> > > hcatalog project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC.
> I
> > > think that our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF
> > > rules, but I'll remind here what is at stake, so there is no
> > > misunderstanding (I include myself on the potentially misunderstanding
> > > people).
> > >
> > > EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
> > > EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC
> > (on 5
> > > committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
> > > The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next
> > > releases of EasyAnt.
> > >
> > > Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more
> considering
> > > my path, I think it is good that there is no special right management
> in
> > > svn. I started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and
> > Ant.
> > >
> > > Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the
> same,
> > > somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity.
> > And
> > > lately we succeeded to get a release out.
> > >
> > > To

AW: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-28 Thread jhm 
+1
Would be fine to bring this incubation to an end.

Jan

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Antoine Levy Lambert [mailto:anto...@gmx.de]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2013 00:18
> An: Ant Developers List
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2
> 
> +1 Antoine
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the
> umbrella of the Ant PMC.
> >
> > There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating
> hcatalog project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC.
> I think that our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF
> rules, but I'll remind here what is at stake, so there is no
> misunderstanding (I include myself on the potentially misunderstanding
> people).
> >
> > EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
> > EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC
> > (on 5 committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's
> PMC) The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the
> next releases of EasyAnt.
> >
> > Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more
> considering my path, I think it is good that there is no special right
> management in svn. I started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving
> myself Ivy and Ant.
> >
> > Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the
> same, somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers
> activity. And lately we succeeded to get a release out.
> >
> > To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
> > - the EasyAnt project incubator page:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
> > - the archive of the mailing lists
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
> > - the release
> > http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant
> >
> > So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> > Please, cast your votes:
> > [ ] +1, I accept
> > [ ] +0, OK, but….
> > [ ] -1, I disapprove, because….
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> >
> > -
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> > commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
> >
> 
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-28 Thread Jean-Louis Boudart 
We will publish a updated documentation soon (probably tonight).

Currently, the community is really small as prior releases was using
patched version of Ant and Ivy (mainly to introduce missing features sur as
extensionPoints in Ant, or module inheritence in Ivy). This was probably a
major issue, and explain why we didn't communicate too much outside of
ant-dev mailing list about it.

We've made lot of work to contribute back our modifications to both tools
and we now use official releases. In future we plan to bring more valuable
features to both Ant and Ivy. This is one of the main reason motivating us
to enter in ASF.
In the meantime we changed a lot of structuring stuff in easyant itself to
remain flexible and easier to use.

This release is a huge step for the project. And it's now time to promote
EasyAnt as a usable tool and to widen the community.

Your feedback will be really appreciated.


2013/2/28 Tim Enderling 

> Hi,
>
> I didn't know that EasyAnt is still alive. EasyAnt might be exactly what
> we are looking for in a solution to modularize our build system and
> software. Some questions:
>
> Is there a more up-to-date documentation than the one at
> http://incubator.apache.org/easyant/history/trunk/reference.html?Fromskimming 
> through (and besides there a quite a few obvious mistakes in it)
> it seems to refer to a release prior to 0.9.
>
> Also: How large is the community of EasyAnt, are there any references for
> software projects using it? (I tried to get an idea for that by searching
> for EasyAnt on stackoverflow, but that didn't turn out well.)
>
> Thanks a lot
> Tim Enderling
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Nicolas Lalevée [mailto:nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org]
> > Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2013 19:44
> > To: Ant Developers List
> > Subject: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the
> > umbrella of the Ant PMC.
> >
> > There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating
> > hcatalog project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I
> > think that our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF
> > rules, but I'll remind here what is at stake, so there is no
> > misunderstanding (I include myself on the potentially misunderstanding
> > people).
> >
> > EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
> > EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC
> (on 5
> > committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
> > The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next
> > releases of EasyAnt.
> >
> > Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering
> > my path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in
> > svn. I started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and
> Ant.
> >
> > Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same,
> > somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity.
> And
> > lately we succeeded to get a release out.
> >
> > To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
> > - the EasyAnt project incubator page:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
> > - the archive of the mailing lists
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
> > - the release
> > http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant
> >
> > So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> > Please, cast your votes:
> > [ ] +1, I accept
> > [ ] +0, OK, but..
> > [ ] -1, I disapprove, because..
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> >
> > -
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-- 
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RE: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-28 Thread Tim Enderling 
Hi,

I didn't know that EasyAnt is still alive. EasyAnt might be exactly what we are 
looking for in a solution to modularize our build system and software. Some 
questions:

Is there a more up-to-date documentation than the one at 
http://incubator.apache.org/easyant/history/trunk/reference.html?From skimming 
through (and besides there a quite a few obvious mistakes in it) it seems to 
refer to a release prior to 0.9.

Also: How large is the community of EasyAnt, are there any references for 
software projects using it? (I tried to get an idea for that by searching for 
EasyAnt on stackoverflow, but that didn't turn out well.) 

Thanks a lot
Tim Enderling

> -Original Message-
> From: Nicolas Lalevée [mailto:nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2013 19:44
> To: Ant Developers List
> Subject: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the
> umbrella of the Ant PMC.
> 
> There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating
> hcatalog project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I
> think that our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF
> rules, but I'll remind here what is at stake, so there is no
> misunderstanding (I include myself on the potentially misunderstanding
> people).
> 
> EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
> EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC (on 5
> committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
> The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next
> releases of EasyAnt.
> 
> Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering
> my path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in
> svn. I started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and Ant.
> 
> Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same,
> somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity. And
> lately we succeeded to get a release out.
> 
> To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
> - the EasyAnt project incubator page:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
> - the archive of the mailing lists
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
> - the release
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant
> 
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> Please, cast your votes:
> [ ] +1, I accept
> [ ] +0, OK, but..
> [ ] -1, I disapprove, because..
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> 
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-27 Thread Maarten Coene 
+1

Maarten





 From: Nicolas Lalevée 
To: Ant Developers List  
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:44 PM
Subject: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2
 
Hi,

This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the umbrella of 
the Ant PMC.

There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating hcatalog 
project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I think that our 
case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF rules, but I'll remind 
here what is at stake, so there is no misunderstanding (I include myself on the 
potentially misunderstanding people).

EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC (on 5 
committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next releases 
of EasyAnt.

Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering my 
path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in svn. I 
started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and Ant.

Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same, 
somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity. And 
lately we succeeded to get a release out.

To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
- the EasyAnt project incubator page:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
- the archive of the mailing lists
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
- the release
http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant

So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
Please, cast your votes:
[ ] +1, I accept
[ ] +0, OK, but….
[ ] -1, I disapprove, because….

Nicolas


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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-27 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
+1

Nicolas

Le 27 févr. 2013 à 19:44, Nicolas Lalevée  a écrit :

> Hi,
> 
> This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the umbrella 
> of the Ant PMC.
> 
> There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating hcatalog 
> project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I think that 
> our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF rules, but I'll 
> remind here what is at stake, so there is no misunderstanding (I include 
> myself on the potentially misunderstanding people).
> 
> EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
> EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC (on 5 
> committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
> The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next 
> releases of EasyAnt.
> 
> Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering my 
> path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in svn. I 
> started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and Ant.
> 
> Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same, 
> somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity. And 
> lately we succeeded to get a release out.
> 
> To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
> - the EasyAnt project incubator page:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
> - the archive of the mailing lists
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
> - the release
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant
> 
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> Please, cast your votes:
> [ ] +1, I accept
> [ ] +0, OK, but….
> [ ] -1, I disapprove, because….
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> 
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-27 Thread Antoine Levy Lambert 
+1 Antoine
On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the umbrella 
> of the Ant PMC.
> 
> There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating hcatalog 
> project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I think that 
> our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF rules, but I'll 
> remind here what is at stake, so there is no misunderstanding (I include 
> myself on the potentially misunderstanding people).
> 
> EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
> EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC (on 5 
> committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
> The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next 
> releases of EasyAnt.
> 
> Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering my 
> path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in svn. I 
> started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and Ant.
> 
> Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same, 
> somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity. And 
> lately we succeeded to get a release out.
> 
> To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
> - the EasyAnt project incubator page:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
> - the archive of the mailing lists
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
> - the release
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant
> 
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> Please, cast your votes:
> [ ] +1, I accept
> [ ] +0, OK, but….
> [ ] -1, I disapprove, because….
> 
> Nicolas
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-27 Thread Jean-Louis Boudart 
[x] +1, I accept


2013/2/27 Nicolas Lalevée 

> Hi,
>
> This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the
> umbrella of the Ant PMC.
>
> There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating
> hcatalog project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I
> think that our case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF
> rules, but I'll remind here what is at stake, so there is no
> misunderstanding (I include myself on the potentially misunderstanding
> people).
>
> EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
> EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC (on
> 5 committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
> The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next
> releases of EasyAnt.
>
> Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering
> my path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in
> svn. I started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and Ant.
>
> Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same,
> somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity. And
> lately we succeeded to get a release out.
>
> To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
> - the EasyAnt project incubator page:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
> - the archive of the mailing lists
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
> - the release
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant
>
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> Please, cast your votes:
> [ ] +1, I accept
> [ ] +0, OK, but….
> [ ] -1, I disapprove, because….
>
> Nicolas
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[VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject - take 2

2013-02-27 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
Hi,

This is the come back of the proposal of bringing EasyAnt under the umbrella of 
the Ant PMC.

There were some discussion on incubator-general about the incubating hcatalog 
project being "graduated" under the umbrella of the Hive PMC. I think that our 
case is more clear and more standard regarding the ASF rules, but I'll remind 
here what is at stake, so there is no misunderstanding (I include myself on the 
potentially misunderstanding people).

EasyAnt code will be brought into Ant's svn tree.
EasyAnt committers will become Ant committers but not part of the PMC (on 5 
committers, 3 are already Ant ones, and 2 are part of Ant's PMC)
The Ant PMC will be responsible for the code, the community, the next releases 
of EasyAnt.

Just like for Ivy. And I like the way it worked. Further more considering my 
path, I think it is good that there is no special right management in svn. I 
started as an IvyDE committer, I ended improving myself Ivy and Ant.

Since the last vote tentative, the activity on EasyAnt remained the same, 
somehow low but continuous, not much less than Ant developers activity. And 
lately we succeeded to get a release out.

To get yourself an opinion, here are some links:
- the EasyAnt project incubator page:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
- the archive of the mailing lists
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-commits/
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-easyant-dev/
- the release
http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/easyant

So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
Please, cast your votes:
[ ] +1, I accept
[ ] +0, OK, but….
[ ] -1, I disapprove, because….

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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-08-15 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 

Le 15 août 2012 à 23:08, Maarten Coene a écrit :

> Nicolas,
> 
> Maybe we could vote again later when there are more people around?
> I haven't been online for about a month, that's why you didn't get my vote.

Yes, this is what have been discussed on an easyant mailing list, we'll try 
later after showing some nice activity from the easyant committers.

Nicolas


> 
> Maarten
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Nicolas Lalevée 
> To: Ant Developers List  
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:41 PM
> Subject: [RESULT][VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject
> 
> I am closing the vote. I count 2 binding +1, 1 non binding +1
> 
> The proposition failed to be accepted.
> 
> Further discussion will happen on easyant mailing lists.
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> Le 11 juil. 2012 à 10:48, Nicolas Lalevée a écrit :
> 
>> EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under our 
>> "sponsoring".
>> 
>> I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was 
>> implying that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't bylaw. 
>> We just cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it out 
>> with this vote for the Ant PMC.
>> I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period, doing 
>> release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt is 
>> accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for EasyAnt 
>> code and releases.
>> 
>> So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added. But 
>> releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer which 
>> is also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member should be 
>> involved so that things can roll. We have been managing that with Ivy and 
>> IvyDE, but this is something that should have in mind while voting. Also 
>> note that it would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer become 
>> part of the Ant PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice patches on 
>> Ant and Ivy :)
>> 
>> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
>> 
>> 
>> Nicolas
>> 
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-08-15 Thread Maarten Coene 
Nicolas,

Maybe we could vote again later when there are more people around?
I haven't been online for about a month, that's why you didn't get my vote.

Maarten





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To: Ant Developers List  
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:41 PM
Subject: [RESULT][VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject
 
I am closing the vote. I count 2 binding +1, 1 non binding +1

The proposition failed to be accepted.

Further discussion will happen on easyant mailing lists.

Nicolas

Le 11 juil. 2012 à 10:48, Nicolas Lalevée a écrit :

> EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under our 
> "sponsoring".
> 
> I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was implying 
> that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't bylaw. We just 
> cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it out with this 
> vote for the Ant PMC.
> I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period, doing 
> release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt is 
> accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for EasyAnt 
> code and releases.
> 
> So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added. But 
> releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer which 
> is also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member should be 
> involved so that things can roll. We have been managing that with Ivy and 
> IvyDE, but this is something that should have in mind while voting. Also note 
> that it would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer become part of 
> the Ant PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice patches on Ant and Ivy 
> :)
> 
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> 
> 
> Nicolas
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[RESULT][VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-26 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
I am closing the vote. I count 2 binding +1, 1 non binding +1

The proposition failed to be accepted.

Further discussion will happen on easyant mailing lists.

Nicolas

Le 11 juil. 2012 à 10:48, Nicolas Lalevée a écrit :

> EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under our 
> "sponsoring".
> 
> I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was implying 
> that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't bylaw. We just 
> cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it out with this 
> vote for the Ant PMC.
> I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period, doing 
> release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt is 
> accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for EasyAnt 
> code and releases.
> 
> So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added. But 
> releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer which 
> is also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member should be 
> involved so that things can roll. We have been managing that with Ivy and 
> IvyDE, but this is something that should have in mind while voting. Also note 
> that it would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer become part of 
> the Ant PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice patches on Ant and Ivy 
> :)
> 
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> 
> 
> Nicolas
> 
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-24 Thread Stefan Bodewig 
Hi

I guess one of the problems we see here is that +1 doesn't just mean
"why not?" but rather "yes!".

I'm one of EasyAnt's mentors and have been watching it for quite some
time now.  TBH it has been veeery silent for a long time.  Apart from
Nicolas and Jean-Louis there is no active committer - and for some
extended stretches there hasn't been any development at all.  Sounds
familiar, doesn't it?



The Ant community isn't the most active one by itself, a new project
might trigger more activity so I'm leaning towards a positive vote.

I'm not sure the Ant PMC would be doing a good service to EasyAnt (you'd
likely not get three PMC +1s given the feedback on this vote), but this
is EasyAnt's decision.

Stefan

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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-21 Thread Greg Roodt 
+1
On Jul 14, 2012 9:41 PM, "Bruce Atherton"  wrote:

> I think this is a great idea, particularly if we can get the committers of
> EasyAnt interested in improving Ant and Ivy.
>
> +1.
>
> Would it be worthwhile to consider all the committers on EasyAnt as
> committers on Ant if this is adopted? As I recall, that is what happened
> with Ivy.
>
> On 12-07-11 01:48 AM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:
>
>> EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under
>> our "sponsoring".
>>
>> I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was
>> implying that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't
>> bylaw. We just cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it
>> out with this vote for the Ant PMC.
>> I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period,
>> doing release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt
>> is accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for
>> EasyAnt code and releases.
>>
>> So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added. But
>> releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer which
>> is also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member should be
>> involved so that things can roll. We have been managing that with Ivy and
>> IvyDE, but this is something that should have in mind while voting. Also
>> note that it would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer become
>> part of the Ant PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice patches on
>> Ant and Ivy :)
>>
>> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
>>
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-21 Thread Bruce Atherton 

On 12-07-19 02:50 AM, Jean-Louis Boudart wrote:
> This topic doesn't look like popular :)
>
> Should we consider this silence as a "no go"?

Well, I haven't seen any disagreement with the proposal. It looks more 
like just a general lack of participation in the dev group, partly from 
the fact that it is summer (in the northern hemisphere) and partly from 
the fact that we have been slowing down anyway. For example, this is 
just the 20th non-automated message that has been posted to this list in 
the month of July.


If anything, the lack of conversation seems to indicate that we do need 
the fresh blood that EasyAnt would bring.


Having said that, there do not seem to be the votes required to make 
this happen unless others are willing to jump in and vote.


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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-21 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 

Le 19 juil. 2012 à 11:50, Jean-Louis Boudart a écrit :

> This topic doesn't look like popular :)
> 
> Should we consider this silence as a "no go"?

Since there is absolutely no negative or mitigated (+/-0) vote, it is difficult 
to interpret this vote as failed. I'll keep the vote open for more few days 
until I do close it. Let's say until the 25th, two weeks of open vote.

Nicolas

> 
> 2012/7/16 Nicolas Lalevée 
> 
>> explicitly binding my vote:
>> +1
>> 
>> Nicolas
>> 
>> Le 11 juil. 2012 à 10:48, Nicolas Lalevée a écrit :
>> 
>>> EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under
>> our "sponsoring".
>>> 
>>> I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was
>> implying that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't
>> bylaw. We just cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it
>> out with this vote for the Ant PMC.
>>> I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period,
>> doing release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt
>> is accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for
>> EasyAnt code and releases.
>>> 
>>> So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added.
>> But releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer
>> which is also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member
>> should be involved so that things can roll. We have been managing that with
>> Ivy and IvyDE, but this is something that should have in mind while voting.
>> Also note that it would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer
>> become part of the Ant PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice
>> patches on Ant and Ivy :)
>>> 
>>> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nicolas
>>> 
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-19 Thread Jean-Louis Boudart 
This topic doesn't look like popular :)

Should we consider this silence as a "no go"?

2012/7/16 Nicolas Lalevée 

> explicitly binding my vote:
> +1
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le 11 juil. 2012 à 10:48, Nicolas Lalevée a écrit :
>
> > EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under
> our "sponsoring".
> >
> > I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was
> implying that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't
> bylaw. We just cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it
> out with this vote for the Ant PMC.
> > I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period,
> doing release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt
> is accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for
> EasyAnt code and releases.
> >
> > So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added.
> But releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer
> which is also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member
> should be involved so that things can roll. We have been managing that with
> Ivy and IvyDE, but this is something that should have in mind while voting.
> Also note that it would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer
> become part of the Ant PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice
> patches on Ant and Ivy :)
> >
> > So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> >
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-15 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
explicitly binding my vote:
+1

Nicolas

Le 11 juil. 2012 à 10:48, Nicolas Lalevée a écrit :

> EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under our 
> "sponsoring".
> 
> I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was implying 
> that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't bylaw. We just 
> cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it out with this 
> vote for the Ant PMC.
> I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period, doing 
> release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt is 
> accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for EasyAnt 
> code and releases.
> 
> So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added. But 
> releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer which 
> is also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member should be 
> involved so that things can roll. We have been managing that with Ivy and 
> IvyDE, but this is something that should have in mind while voting. Also note 
> that it would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer become part of 
> the Ant PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice patches on Ant and Ivy 
> :)
> 
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
> 
> 
> Nicolas
> 
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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-14 Thread Bruce Atherton 
I think this is a great idea, particularly if we can get the committers 
of EasyAnt interested in improving Ant and Ivy.


+1.

Would it be worthwhile to consider all the committers on EasyAnt as 
committers on Ant if this is adopted? As I recall, that is what happened 
with Ivy.


On 12-07-11 01:48 AM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:

EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under our 
"sponsoring".

I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was implying 
that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't bylaw. We just cleared it 
out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it out with this vote for the Ant PMC.
I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period, doing 
release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt is 
accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for EasyAnt 
code and releases.

So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added. But 
releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer which is 
also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member should be involved 
so that things can roll. We have been managing that with Ivy and IvyDE, but 
this is something that should have in mind while voting. Also note that it 
would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer become part of the Ant 
PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice patches on Ant and Ivy :)

So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?


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Re: [VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-13 Thread Jean-Louis Boudart 
I was watching the original discussion on incubator mailing list few days
ago, and like Nicolas i misunderstood the sponsoring of Ant project to
EasyAnt.

I don't see any advantage to build an independent PMC.

EasyAnt is build on top of ant and ivy, and it doesn't mean we just want to
use the library under the hood. EasyAnt is here also to promote those
powerful tools and bring fresh ideas, we already contributed features to
both project, and i'm pretty sure we will continue in this way. As we
depend on those project and really plan to contribute to them i would feel
more confortable if Ant PMC is aware about easyant release and vice et
versa.

EasyAnt will try to be always using upstream version of both project, and
particular needs for us could probably "stimulate" ant or ivy release
frequency.

If one day, some of us becomes part of Ant PMC,  we could also help on
releasing Ant + Ivy.

Cheers,

2012/7/11 Nicolas Lalevée 

> EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under our
> "sponsoring".
>
> I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was
> implying that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't
> bylaw. We just cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it
> out with this vote for the Ant PMC.
> I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period,
> doing release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt
> is accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for
> EasyAnt code and releases.
>
> So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added. But
> releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer which
> is also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member should be
> involved so that things can roll. We have been managing that with Ivy and
> IvyDE, but this is something that should have in mind while voting. Also
> note that it would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer become
> part of the Ant PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice patches on
> Ant and Ivy :)
>
> So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?
>
>
> Nicolas
>
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[VOTE] Accept EasyAnt as a subproject

2012-07-11 Thread Nicolas Lalevée 
EasyAnt is a project based on Ant and Ivy which is in incubation under our 
"sponsoring".

I kind of misunderstood the "sponsoring". I was thinking that it was implying 
that EasyAnt will become part of the Ant project. It doesn't bylaw. We just 
cleared it out with the EasyAnt community. So let's clear it out with this vote 
for the Ant PMC.
I also thought that EasyAnt should have a classical incubation period, doing 
release and growing a community. But it has no sense since if EasyAnt is 
accepted as a subproject of Ant, the Ant PMC will be responsible for EasyAnt 
code and releases.

So if we accept EasyAnt, the code will be imported, committers added. But 
releases should be voted by us. I'm the only active EasyAnt committer which is 
also an Ant PMC member. This means that other Ant PMC member should be involved 
so that things can roll. We have been managing that with Ivy and IvyDE, but 
this is something that should have in mind while voting. Also note that it 
would somehow resolve itself it some EasyAnt developer become part of the Ant 
PMC, some of them have already wrote some nice patches on Ant and Ivy :)

So, should we accept EasyAnt as a subproject ?


Nicolas


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