Looks like we have agreement to remove the link and refer to the download
page (as stated in this thread before, the DataTorrent download link is
already there).
I think there is no need to portray the DataTorrent sandbox as a charitable
effort in this discussion. You will be greeted with a "give me all your
details form" and possibly there is an evaluation expiration also. It is
more than just an "Apex sandbox", the vendor has to sell their product and
make money, so I would not expect it to be any different.
For an Apache project though, vendor neutrality is a given. That
DataTorrent references cannot be sprinkled over the documentation and web
site was brought up even during incubation. I think at this point it would
be appropriate to see pro-active efforts to find and fix such occurrences.
Thanks,
Thomas
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Sasha Parfenov wrote:
> +1 on listing various sandboxes on download page. As Vlad pointed out,
> there are examples in Hadoop and other Apache projects with vendor
> sponsored/provided sandboxes:
>
> Kudu - http://kudu.apache.org/docs/quickstart.html
> Drill - https://drill.apache.org/docs/installing-the-apache-drill-sandbox/
> Eagle - http://eagle.apache.org/docs/deployment-in-sandbox.html
>
> If there is a vendor willing to contribute time and effort to make Apache
> Apex easier to consume, I think it benefits all Apex users.
>
> Thanks,
> Sasha
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Vlad Rozov
> wrote:
>
> > I would argue that a link to a vendor sandbox or a download that makes it
> > easier to jump start with Apex and promotes adoption is OK. For example
> > Hadoop provides links to HDP and CDH sandboxes:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/QuickStart. Additionally, bigtop sandbox
> > does not seem to support VirtualBox out of the box, so why not to list
> both?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Vlad
> >
> >
> > On 4/7/17 09:09, Thomas Weise wrote:
> >
> >> I disagree. Apex documentation is not the place to promote vendor
> >> offerings.
> >>
> >> I suggested to refer to the download page, which already contains the
> >> DataTorrent link.
> >>
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Pramod Immaneni >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Dean,
> >>>
> >>> There aren't many good options out there for users to get an
> environment
> >>> up
> >>> with apex apps running easily or quickly. We all know how difficult it
> >>> would be for someone new to get an application up and running even if
> >>> they
> >>> had a hadoop sandbox with apex. Also, for many when they download a
> >>> sandbox
> >>> they not only want to be able to run something in a few steps, but also
> >>> have easy to use tools and see something visually. My suggestion is to
> >>> keep
> >>> both the sandboxes. You can put the bigtop sandbox first in the list as
> >>> it
> >>> is vendor neutral.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Dean Lockgaard <
> dean.lockga...@gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All,
>
> In the Sandbox section of the Apache Apex Development Environment
> Setup
> documentation (
> https://apex.apache.org/docs/apex/apex_development_setup/#sandbox),
> instructions are provided for a vendor-specific Sandbox.
>
> I would like to propose that these instructions be changed to
> reference
>
> >>> the
> >>>
> Apache Apex Sandbox instead, which is an Apache Bigtop build and
>
> >>> available
> >>>
> via docker at https://hub.docker.com/r/apacheapex/sandbox.
>
> Regards,
> Dean
>
>
> >
>
