Re: [DISCUSS] Rename ARIATOSCA to ARIA

[Arthur Berezin]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 11:30 AM Ran Ziv  wrote:

> The intention was not at all to rename the project - when the proposal had
> been made, the name "ARIA" was considered as well, and ARIATOSCA was the
> one chosen, for various reasons, and we should probably stick with it.
> This is actually a much smaller issue, not even about renaming the JIRA
> project itself - but rather, using a different project key (a single
> configurable field on JIRA), to allow for easier integration between git
> and JIRA.
> I believe we can modify the project key without having to go through a
> major renaming operation. If you think otherwise, it'll probably be better
> to just stick to the current name and project key.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:25 AM, Suneel Marthi  wrote:
>
> > When reviewing the incubator proposal for this I recall someone from IPMC
> > mention a project from Mozilla called 'Aria' and this project choosing a
> > different name. Arthur had then suggested 'AriaTosca' and we went ahead
> > with that name when setting up this podling.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:56 PM, John D. Ament 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I'm following up on this item.  There were previous discussion points
> > about
> > > renaming the JIRA instance from ARIATOSCA to ARIA.  I've point out to
> the
> > > project in the past that the rename is meant to be a thorough process -
> > all
> > > podling resources should be named consistently.
> > >
> > > If its decided to rename fro ARIATOSCA to ARIA, the following changes
> > would
> > > be involved:
> > >
> > > - New JIRA project ARIA created.  No data retained.
> > > - Git repos renamed from incubator-ariatosca to incubator-aria
> > > - Maling lists renamed from @ariatosca.incubator.apache.org to @
> > > aria.incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are other resources as well.  The point is that within
> the
> > > ASF, we strive for consistency (the whole convention over configuration
> > > argument).  You will find two projects (that I can think of) that break
> > > this mold - and they break it really well.  AMQ and CMDA always require
> > > special handling.  CMDA is purely too long of a name
> > > (climatemodeldatanalyzer), and AMQ was simply the first JIRA project.
> > >
> > > If the podling chooses to rename itself, I don't have a personal
> opinion.
> > > I will point out that the name ARIA is not specially unique and
> wouldn't
> > be
> > > something we could get a trademark on.  Its not that easy to defend.
> > > ARIATOSCA is very unique and can be defended as a trademark.
>

Actually this was the initial feedback on the project proposla, the name
"ARIA" is used in few other contextes[1][2][3], since it would be complex
to completly rename the proejct, we chose using the name ARIATOSCA which
would be unique for us and indicate our focus.

[1] https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria
[2] http://www.aria-networks.com/
[3] https://www.aria.com/en.html

Arthur


> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Rename ARIATOSCA to ARIA

[Ran Ziv]

The intention was not at all to rename the project - when the proposal had
been made, the name "ARIA" was considered as well, and ARIATOSCA was the
one chosen, for various reasons, and we should probably stick with it.
This is actually a much smaller issue, not even about renaming the JIRA
project itself - but rather, using a different project key (a single
configurable field on JIRA), to allow for easier integration between git
and JIRA.
I believe we can modify the project key without having to go through a
major renaming operation. If you think otherwise, it'll probably be better
to just stick to the current name and project key.


On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:25 AM, Suneel Marthi  wrote:

> When reviewing the incubator proposal for this I recall someone from IPMC
> mention a project from Mozilla called 'Aria' and this project choosing a
> different name. Arthur had then suggested 'AriaTosca' and we went ahead
> with that name when setting up this podling.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:56 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I'm following up on this item.  There were previous discussion points
> about
> > renaming the JIRA instance from ARIATOSCA to ARIA.  I've point out to the
> > project in the past that the rename is meant to be a thorough process -
> all
> > podling resources should be named consistently.
> >
> > If its decided to rename fro ARIATOSCA to ARIA, the following changes
> would
> > be involved:
> >
> > - New JIRA project ARIA created.  No data retained.
> > - Git repos renamed from incubator-ariatosca to incubator-aria
> > - Maling lists renamed from @ariatosca.incubator.apache.org to @
> > aria.incubator.apache.org
> >
> > I'm sure there are other resources as well.  The point is that within the
> > ASF, we strive for consistency (the whole convention over configuration
> > argument).  You will find two projects (that I can think of) that break
> > this mold - and they break it really well.  AMQ and CMDA always require
> > special handling.  CMDA is purely too long of a name
> > (climatemodeldatanalyzer), and AMQ was simply the first JIRA project.
> >
> > If the podling chooses to rename itself, I don't have a personal opinion.
> > I will point out that the name ARIA is not specially unique and wouldn't
> be
> > something we could get a trademark on.  Its not that easy to defend.
> > ARIATOSCA is very unique and can be defended as a trademark.
> >
> > John
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Rename ARIATOSCA to ARIA

[Suneel Marthi]

When reviewing the incubator proposal for this I recall someone from IPMC
mention a project from Mozilla called 'Aria' and this project choosing a
different name. Arthur had then suggested 'AriaTosca' and we went ahead
with that name when setting up this podling.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:56 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:

> All,
>
> I'm following up on this item.  There were previous discussion points about
> renaming the JIRA instance from ARIATOSCA to ARIA.  I've point out to the
> project in the past that the rename is meant to be a thorough process - all
> podling resources should be named consistently.
>
> If its decided to rename fro ARIATOSCA to ARIA, the following changes would
> be involved:
>
> - New JIRA project ARIA created.  No data retained.
> - Git repos renamed from incubator-ariatosca to incubator-aria
> - Maling lists renamed from @ariatosca.incubator.apache.org to @
> aria.incubator.apache.org
>
> I'm sure there are other resources as well.  The point is that within the
> ASF, we strive for consistency (the whole convention over configuration
> argument).  You will find two projects (that I can think of) that break
> this mold - and they break it really well.  AMQ and CMDA always require
> special handling.  CMDA is purely too long of a name
> (climatemodeldatanalyzer), and AMQ was simply the first JIRA project.
>
> If the podling chooses to rename itself, I don't have a personal opinion.
> I will point out that the name ARIA is not specially unique and wouldn't be
> something we could get a trademark on.  Its not that easy to defend.
> ARIATOSCA is very unique and can be defended as a trademark.
>
> John
>

[DISCUSS] Rename ARIATOSCA to ARIA

[John D. Ament]

All,

I'm following up on this item.  There were previous discussion points about
renaming the JIRA instance from ARIATOSCA to ARIA.  I've point out to the
project in the past that the rename is meant to be a thorough process - all
podling resources should be named consistently.

If its decided to rename fro ARIATOSCA to ARIA, the following changes would
be involved:

- New JIRA project ARIA created.  No data retained.
- Git repos renamed from incubator-ariatosca to incubator-aria
- Maling lists renamed from @ariatosca.incubator.apache.org to @
aria.incubator.apache.org

I'm sure there are other resources as well.  The point is that within the
ASF, we strive for consistency (the whole convention over configuration
argument).  You will find two projects (that I can think of) that break
this mold - and they break it really well.  AMQ and CMDA always require
special handling.  CMDA is purely too long of a name
(climatemodeldatanalyzer), and AMQ was simply the first JIRA project.

If the podling chooses to rename itself, I don't have a personal opinion.
I will point out that the name ARIA is not specially unique and wouldn't be
something we could get a trademark on.  Its not that easy to defend.
ARIATOSCA is very unique and can be defended as a trademark.

John