Re: Is Zulip still the preferred chat application for Arrow?
I totally agree that we should be diligent to "move discussions to ASF channels when something of relevance to the community is being discussed". I already have informal communications with contributors over various channels (email, private slack groups, discord, etc), and moving these interactions to ASF slack seems like a step towards more open collaboration. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:29 AM Wes McKinney wrote: > The Ursa Zulip is not an "official" channel, which is to say that > community discussions there about what to build, whether there is > consensus about something, etc., are not valid from a governance / > Openness standpoint. Those need to take place either on the mailing > list or the issue tracker (which at present is Jira). > > Arrow had a Slack instance early in its life but it led to behavioral > antipatterns — people were asking questions or having discussions > about the project in a place where only a small fraction of the > community was present. We discussed and deemed that the presence of an > Arrow Slack channel was harmful to the community as it was then > operating, and so we shut it down. I personally will not use Slack if > I have any alternative. > > The best way to communicate whether someone is working on an issue is > to assign it to themselves, and if it is not assigned then it can be > assumed to be free to pick up. > > If any of you want to use a Slack instance somewhere to chat in an IRC > like fashion that's completely fine, just please move discussions to > ASF channels when something of relevance to the community is being > discussed. > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:15 PM Antoine Pitrou > wrote: > > > > > > > > Le 10/03/2021 à 19:15, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > > > > > Le 10/03/2021 à 19:04, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > >> > > >> Hi Andy, > > >> > > >> Le 10/03/2021 à 19:00, Andy Grove a écrit : > > >>> We had a discussion on the Arrow Rust Sync call about the best place > to > > >>> co-ordinate on work. For example, quick questions like "is anyone > working > > >>> on ARROW-12345? should I pick this up?". > > >>> > > >>> I know that Ursa Lab hosts Zulip and I have used that in the past > for these > > >>> types of discussion. > > >>> > > >>> I also found out today that there is an official ASF slack with > multiple > > >>> Arrow channels, but this is only open to people who already have an > > >>> apache.org email address (committers / PMC). > > >> > > >> I didn't know that the ASF had an official Slack. I suppose that's > the > > >> Apache way of favoring open source software. > > >> > > >> I find Slack uncomfortable and annoying to deal with, and I wouldn't > go > > >> there. > > > > > > That said, and to answer your question a bit more completely, I don't > > > there a requirement that all Arrow implementations use the same chat > system. > > > > Wow, sorry: I don't think there's a requirement that ... > > >
Re: Is Zulip still the preferred chat application for Arrow?
> I also found out today that there is an official ASF slack with multiple Arrow channels, but this is only open to people who already have an apache.org email address (committers / PMC). FYI, non committers / PMC members can join the slack using this link: https://s.apache.org/slack-invite On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:04 AM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > Le 10/03/2021 à 19:00, Andy Grove a écrit : > > We had a discussion on the Arrow Rust Sync call about the best place to > > co-ordinate on work. For example, quick questions like "is anyone working > > on ARROW-12345? should I pick this up?". > > > > I know that Ursa Lab hosts Zulip and I have used that in the past for > these > > types of discussion. > > > > I also found out today that there is an official ASF slack with multiple > > Arrow channels, but this is only open to people who already have an > > apache.org email address (committers / PMC). > > I didn't know that the ASF had an official Slack. I suppose that's the > Apache way of favoring open source software. > > I find Slack uncomfortable and annoying to deal with, and I wouldn't go > there. > > Regards > > Antoine. > --
Re: Is Zulip still the preferred chat application for Arrow?
The Ursa Zulip is not an "official" channel, which is to say that community discussions there about what to build, whether there is consensus about something, etc., are not valid from a governance / Openness standpoint. Those need to take place either on the mailing list or the issue tracker (which at present is Jira). Arrow had a Slack instance early in its life but it led to behavioral antipatterns — people were asking questions or having discussions about the project in a place where only a small fraction of the community was present. We discussed and deemed that the presence of an Arrow Slack channel was harmful to the community as it was then operating, and so we shut it down. I personally will not use Slack if I have any alternative. The best way to communicate whether someone is working on an issue is to assign it to themselves, and if it is not assigned then it can be assumed to be free to pick up. If any of you want to use a Slack instance somewhere to chat in an IRC like fashion that's completely fine, just please move discussions to ASF channels when something of relevance to the community is being discussed. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:15 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > Le 10/03/2021 à 19:15, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > > > Le 10/03/2021 à 19:04, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > >> > >> Hi Andy, > >> > >> Le 10/03/2021 à 19:00, Andy Grove a écrit : > >>> We had a discussion on the Arrow Rust Sync call about the best place to > >>> co-ordinate on work. For example, quick questions like "is anyone working > >>> on ARROW-12345? should I pick this up?". > >>> > >>> I know that Ursa Lab hosts Zulip and I have used that in the past for > >>> these > >>> types of discussion. > >>> > >>> I also found out today that there is an official ASF slack with multiple > >>> Arrow channels, but this is only open to people who already have an > >>> apache.org email address (committers / PMC). > >> > >> I didn't know that the ASF had an official Slack. I suppose that's the > >> Apache way of favoring open source software. > >> > >> I find Slack uncomfortable and annoying to deal with, and I wouldn't go > >> there. > > > > That said, and to answer your question a bit more completely, I don't > > there a requirement that all Arrow implementations use the same chat system. > > Wow, sorry: I don't think there's a requirement that ... >
Re: Is Zulip still the preferred chat application for Arrow?
Le 10/03/2021 à 19:15, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : Le 10/03/2021 à 19:04, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : Hi Andy, Le 10/03/2021 à 19:00, Andy Grove a écrit : We had a discussion on the Arrow Rust Sync call about the best place to co-ordinate on work. For example, quick questions like "is anyone working on ARROW-12345? should I pick this up?". I know that Ursa Lab hosts Zulip and I have used that in the past for these types of discussion. I also found out today that there is an official ASF slack with multiple Arrow channels, but this is only open to people who already have an apache.org email address (committers / PMC). I didn't know that the ASF had an official Slack. I suppose that's the Apache way of favoring open source software. I find Slack uncomfortable and annoying to deal with, and I wouldn't go there. That said, and to answer your question a bit more completely, I don't there a requirement that all Arrow implementations use the same chat system. Wow, sorry: I don't think there's a requirement that ...
Re: Is Zulip still the preferred chat application for Arrow?
Le 10/03/2021 à 19:04, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : Hi Andy, Le 10/03/2021 à 19:00, Andy Grove a écrit : We had a discussion on the Arrow Rust Sync call about the best place to co-ordinate on work. For example, quick questions like "is anyone working on ARROW-12345? should I pick this up?". I know that Ursa Lab hosts Zulip and I have used that in the past for these types of discussion. I also found out today that there is an official ASF slack with multiple Arrow channels, but this is only open to people who already have an apache.org email address (committers / PMC). I didn't know that the ASF had an official Slack. I suppose that's the Apache way of favoring open source software. I find Slack uncomfortable and annoying to deal with, and I wouldn't go there. That said, and to answer your question a bit more completely, I don't there a requirement that all Arrow implementations use the same chat system. Regards Antoine.
Re: Is Zulip still the preferred chat application for Arrow?
Hi Andy, Le 10/03/2021 à 19:00, Andy Grove a écrit : We had a discussion on the Arrow Rust Sync call about the best place to co-ordinate on work. For example, quick questions like "is anyone working on ARROW-12345? should I pick this up?". I know that Ursa Lab hosts Zulip and I have used that in the past for these types of discussion. I also found out today that there is an official ASF slack with multiple Arrow channels, but this is only open to people who already have an apache.org email address (committers / PMC). I didn't know that the ASF had an official Slack. I suppose that's the Apache way of favoring open source software. I find Slack uncomfortable and annoying to deal with, and I wouldn't go there. Regards Antoine.
Is Zulip still the preferred chat application for Arrow?
We had a discussion on the Arrow Rust Sync call about the best place to co-ordinate on work. For example, quick questions like "is anyone working on ARROW-12345? should I pick this up?". I know that Ursa Lab hosts Zulip and I have used that in the past for these types of discussion. I also found out today that there is an official ASF slack with multiple Arrow channels, but this is only open to people who already have an apache.org email address (committers / PMC). Looking for advice on what we should be using. Thanks, Andy.
