Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
well, cheers for that, looks like I am going to use them tonight. :) -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2014 22:05:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? me on a device with keyboard; I put them back after rebuilding them with the tag for the approved commit. I was holding of on the announce to let the mirrors sync and to make a good announcement together with Sally and Pierre-Luc. kind regards, On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: I did. This time they should be there. For convenience,that is. Op 20 okt. 2014 22:49 schreef Erik Weber terbol...@gmail.com: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Guys.. for crying out loud.. who put the 4.4.1 rpms back and regenerated the repodata? I wouldn't normally care, but this repo is advertised in many places, people have it installed, it will get used ... with unreleased, buggy software ... Please make another directory or something. :( 4.4.1 is officially voted for now, right? I'm not familiar with bylaws and such, but is there something that prohibits us from distributing before an announcement has been made? -- Erik -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 08:46:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
Guys.. for crying out loud.. who put the 4.4.1 rpms back and regenerated the repodata? I wouldn't normally care, but this repo is advertised in many places, people have it installed, it will get used ... with unreleased, buggy software ... Please make another directory or something. :( -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 08:46:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
4.4.1 passed a vote Its possible they are genuine. The repodata is generated on a cronjob. On 20 October 2014 21:43, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Guys.. for crying out loud.. who put the 4.4.1 rpms back and regenerated the repodata? I wouldn't normally care, but this repo is advertised in many places, people have it installed, it will get used ... with unreleased, buggy software ... Please make another directory or something. :( -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 08:46:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Guys.. for crying out loud.. who put the 4.4.1 rpms back and regenerated the repodata? I wouldn't normally care, but this repo is advertised in many places, people have it installed, it will get used ... with unreleased, buggy software ... Please make another directory or something. :( 4.4.1 is officially voted for now, right? I'm not familiar with bylaws and such, but is there something that prohibits us from distributing before an announcement has been made? -- Erik -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 08:46:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
I did. This time they should be there. For convenience,that is. Op 20 okt. 2014 22:49 schreef Erik Weber terbol...@gmail.com: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Guys.. for crying out loud.. who put the 4.4.1 rpms back and regenerated the repodata? I wouldn't normally care, but this repo is advertised in many places, people have it installed, it will get used ... with unreleased, buggy software ... Please make another directory or something. :( 4.4.1 is officially voted for now, right? I'm not familiar with bylaws and such, but is there something that prohibits us from distributing before an announcement has been made? -- Erik -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 08:46:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
me on a device with keyboard; I put them back after rebuilding them with the tag for the approved commit. I was holding of on the announce to let the mirrors sync and to make a good announcement together with Sally and Pierre-Luc. kind regards, On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: I did. This time they should be there. For convenience,that is. Op 20 okt. 2014 22:49 schreef Erik Weber terbol...@gmail.com: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Guys.. for crying out loud.. who put the 4.4.1 rpms back and regenerated the repodata? I wouldn't normally care, but this repo is advertised in many places, people have it installed, it will get used ... with unreleased, buggy software ... Please make another directory or something. :( 4.4.1 is officially voted for now, right? I'm not familiar with bylaws and such, but is there something that prohibits us from distributing before an announcement has been made? -- Erik -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 08:46:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
meh, ok :) -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2014 22:05:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? me on a device with keyboard; I put them back after rebuilding them with the tag for the approved commit. I was holding of on the announce to let the mirrors sync and to make a good announcement together with Sally and Pierre-Luc. kind regards, On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: I did. This time they should be there. For convenience,that is. Op 20 okt. 2014 22:49 schreef Erik Weber terbol...@gmail.com: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Guys.. for crying out loud.. who put the 4.4.1 rpms back and regenerated the repodata? I wouldn't normally care, but this repo is advertised in many places, people have it installed, it will get used ... with unreleased, buggy software ... Please make another directory or something. :( 4.4.1 is officially voted for now, right? I'm not familiar with bylaws and such, but is there something that prohibits us from distributing before an announcement has been made? -- Erik -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 08:46:05 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
Or make a different folder for unreleased versions? That way you could upload daily builds as well if you ever wanted to How about - a stable/release folder, where released versions go - a rc folder, for official release versions - a nightly/dev folder, for either a nightly version or the latest master build Couple it with jenkins and it would be easy for testers to verify that a bug is fixed by upgrading their RC or dev version -- Erik On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
Yes that's not a bad idea. At some point we had a chat with Hugo and David about having jenkins generate RPMs with incremented version and setup a repo for them which lead me to believe that at least Jenkins is capable of that. So, whoever is in charge of Jenkins, how can we achieve this? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Erik Weber terbol...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 09:10:35 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Or make a different folder for unreleased versions? That way you could upload daily builds as well if you ever wanted to How about - a stable/release folder, where released versions go - a rc folder, for official release versions - a nightly/dev folder, for either a nightly version or the latest master build Couple it with jenkins and it would be easy for testers to verify that a bug is fixed by upgrading their RC or dev version -- Erik On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
RE: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
Perhaps it's just me being lazy but I reckon that having defined 'beta' and RC packages available for download (with some form of marketing to inform people) would likely increase the sample size for testing, including different use cases. I'm pretty sure that there are a number of people that fit the sysadmin role rather than the devops or developer role who just won't go to the effort of trying to work out what to checkout, build and package themselves even if they did know how to. I realise that the audience for CS may be different to many other OS software projects out there but most well-used projects (including many commercial ones) that I work with go through this process. The only other issue would be that of feedback - I know it's an Apache thing but an online forum site would really make providing feedback much easier than the mailing list. Adrian -Original Message- From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro] Sent: 10 October 2014 09:24 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Yes that's not a bad idea. At some point we had a chat with Hugo and David about having jenkins generate RPMs with incremented version and setup a repo for them which lead me to believe that at least Jenkins is capable of that. So, whoever is in charge of Jenkins, how can we achieve this? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Erik Weber terbol...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 09:10:35 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Or make a different folder for unreleased versions? That way you could upload daily builds as well if you ever wanted to How about - a stable/release folder, where released versions go - a rc folder, for official release versions - a nightly/dev folder, for either a nightly version or the latest master build Couple it with jenkins and it would be easy for testers to verify that a bug is fixed by upgrading their RC or dev version -- Erik On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
Adrian, I think the forum idea has been discussed previously, unsuccessfully. Imho the idea itself is good, but our small community might get spread too thin between the lists and forum. -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Adrian Lewis adr...@alsiconsulting.co.uk To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 13:23:45 Subject: RE: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Perhaps it's just me being lazy but I reckon that having defined 'beta' and RC packages available for download (with some form of marketing to inform people) would likely increase the sample size for testing, including different use cases. I'm pretty sure that there are a number of people that fit the sysadmin role rather than the devops or developer role who just won't go to the effort of trying to work out what to checkout, build and package themselves even if they did know how to. I realise that the audience for CS may be different to many other OS software projects out there but most well-used projects (including many commercial ones) that I work with go through this process. The only other issue would be that of feedback - I know it's an Apache thing but an online forum site would really make providing feedback much easier than the mailing list. Adrian -Original Message- From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro] Sent: 10 October 2014 09:24 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Yes that's not a bad idea. At some point we had a chat with Hugo and David about having jenkins generate RPMs with incremented version and setup a repo for them which lead me to believe that at least Jenkins is capable of that. So, whoever is in charge of Jenkins, how can we achieve this? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Erik Weber terbol...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 09:10:35 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Or make a different folder for unreleased versions? That way you could upload daily builds as well if you ever wanted to How about - a stable/release folder, where released versions go - a rc folder, for official release versions - a nightly/dev folder, for either a nightly version or the latest master build Couple it with jenkins and it would be easy for testers to verify that a bug is fixed by upgrading their RC or dev version -- Erik On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
Adrian, the argument against publishing RCs IIRC was that we then would need to support upgrade paths from those as well. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Adrian, I think the forum idea has been discussed previously, unsuccessfully. Imho the idea itself is good, but our small community might get spread too thin between the lists and forum. -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Adrian Lewis adr...@alsiconsulting.co.uk To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 13:23:45 Subject: RE: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Perhaps it's just me being lazy but I reckon that having defined 'beta' and RC packages available for download (with some form of marketing to inform people) would likely increase the sample size for testing, including different use cases. I'm pretty sure that there are a number of people that fit the sysadmin role rather than the devops or developer role who just won't go to the effort of trying to work out what to checkout, build and package themselves even if they did know how to. I realise that the audience for CS may be different to many other OS software projects out there but most well-used projects (including many commercial ones) that I work with go through this process. The only other issue would be that of feedback - I know it's an Apache thing but an online forum site would really make providing feedback much easier than the mailing list. Adrian -Original Message- From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro] Sent: 10 October 2014 09:24 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Yes that's not a bad idea. At some point we had a chat with Hugo and David about having jenkins generate RPMs with incremented version and setup a repo for them which lead me to believe that at least Jenkins is capable of that. So, whoever is in charge of Jenkins, how can we achieve this? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Erik Weber terbol...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2014 09:10:35 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? Or make a different folder for unreleased versions? That way you could upload daily builds as well if you ever wanted to How about - a stable/release folder, where released versions go - a rc folder, for official release versions - a nightly/dev folder, for either a nightly version or the latest master build Couple it with jenkins and it would be easy for testers to verify that a bug is fixed by upgrading their RC or dev version -- Erik On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about that. I shouldn't have done this upload but had a reason to. I want to make these available for testers. maybe i can upload them without adding them to the rpm index...? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote: Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan -- Daan -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan
Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why?
Perhaps we need a testing repo for non-final packages? -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com To: dev dev@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2014 17:42:50 Subject: Re: Unreleased 4.4.1 packages on cloudstack.apt-get.eu, why? i did On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ian Duffy i...@ianduffy.ie wrote: Wildo, Do we have no kind of audit on uploads? On 9 October 2014 12:25, Wido den Hollander w...@widodh.nl wrote: On 10/09/2014 01:21 PM, Nux! wrote: Hello, I've noticed there are 4.4.1 packages on http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/rhel/4.4/. Since 4.4.0 is latest release, how come? This is bad, people will install broken stuff. Can anyone fix this? I removed the packages, but I'm not sure who uploaded them. They were uploaded on September 30th at 11:12 CET. Wido Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro -- Daan
