What SDN are you using?
Hello, So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN thing or should I stay with v(x)lans? I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to be with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, preferably free/foss. Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro
Re: What SDN are you using?
Nux, The two most deployed SDN solutions are Vmware NSX-MH (Nicara) and Nuage VSP (Alcatel-Lucent). Neither are cheap! We've been evaluating whether we're going to run a POC on Nuage, as it does have some very cool features including service chaining. Most of the other SDN plugins within CS are either very alpha, or haven't received any updates in quite a while. I polled the dev list list a few months back and it didn't appear anyone on the lists were running (or willing to talk about) Big Switch, Midonet or Stratosphere. I know someone built the start of a plugin for Open Daylight, but it hasn't seen any development since then. We even reached out to Midonet, offering to pay for support and they told us to install Openstack ;-) We have the native KVM VXLAN implementation running in our lab and it seems to work very well. We went 100% 10/40GB using open platform switches and Cumulus linux. Our main interest in SDN is to provide more advanced traffic steering and security features later. - Si From: Nux! Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:56 PM To: Cloudstack Users List Cc: dev Subject: What SDN are you using? Hello, So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN thing or should I stay with v(x)lans? I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to be with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, preferably free/foss. Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro
Re: What SDN are you using?
Hm - Not a single mention of OpenvSwitch? I wonder why?... Eric Pretorious Portland, OR On Nov 29, 2015 11:20 AM, "Simon Weller" wrote: > Nux, > > The two most deployed SDN solutions are Vmware NSX-MH (Nicara) and Nuage > VSP (Alcatel-Lucent). Neither are cheap! > We've been evaluating whether we're going to run a POC on Nuage, as it > does have some very cool features including service chaining. > Most of the other SDN plugins within CS are either very alpha, or haven't > received any updates in quite a while. > I polled the dev list list a few months back and it didn't appear anyone > on the lists were running (or willing to talk about) Big Switch, Midonet or > Stratosphere. I know someone built the start of a plugin for Open Daylight, > but it hasn't seen any development since then. We even reached out to > Midonet, offering to pay for support and they told us to install Openstack > ;-) > > We have the native KVM VXLAN implementation running in our lab and it > seems to work very well. We went 100% 10/40GB using open platform switches > and Cumulus linux. > > Our main interest in SDN is to provide more advanced traffic steering and > security features later. > > - Si > > > > > > ____________ > From: Nux! > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:56 PM > To: Cloudstack Users List > Cc: dev > Subject: What SDN are you using? > > Hello, > > So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN > thing or should I stay with v(x)lans? > I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to > be with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, > preferably free/foss. > > Lucian > > -- > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > Nux! > www.nux.ro >
Re: What SDN are you using?
Eric, I think OVS is implied when we talk VXLAN on KVM. Simon, thanks for your thoughts. It's what I was afraid of. Guess it's still early days for SDN. :-) Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - > From: "GoGoZoom PDX" > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Sent: Monday, 30 November, 2015 04:44:16 > Subject: Re: What SDN are you using? > Hm - Not a single mention of OpenvSwitch? I wonder why?... > > Eric Pretorious > Portland, OR > On Nov 29, 2015 11:20 AM, "Simon Weller" wrote: > >> Nux, >> >> The two most deployed SDN solutions are Vmware NSX-MH (Nicara) and Nuage >> VSP (Alcatel-Lucent). Neither are cheap! >> We've been evaluating whether we're going to run a POC on Nuage, as it >> does have some very cool features including service chaining. >> Most of the other SDN plugins within CS are either very alpha, or haven't >> received any updates in quite a while. >> I polled the dev list list a few months back and it didn't appear anyone >> on the lists were running (or willing to talk about) Big Switch, Midonet or >> Stratosphere. I know someone built the start of a plugin for Open Daylight, >> but it hasn't seen any development since then. We even reached out to >> Midonet, offering to pay for support and they told us to install Openstack >> ;-) >> >> We have the native KVM VXLAN implementation running in our lab and it >> seems to work very well. We went 100% 10/40GB using open platform switches >> and Cumulus linux. >> >> Our main interest in SDN is to provide more advanced traffic steering and >> security features later. >> >> - Si >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Nux! >> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:56 PM >> To: Cloudstack Users List >> Cc: dev >> Subject: What SDN are you using? >> >> Hello, >> >> So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN >> thing or should I stay with v(x)lans? >> I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to >> be with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, >> preferably free/foss. >> >> Lucian >> >> -- >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >> >> Nux! >> www.nux.ro
Re: What SDN are you using?
On Nov 29, 2015, at 8:19 PM, Simon Weller wrote: > Nux, > > The two most deployed SDN solutions are Vmware NSX-MH (Nicara) and Nuage VSP > (Alcatel-Lucent). Neither are cheap! > We've been evaluating whether we're going to run a POC on Nuage, as it does > have some very cool features including service chaining. > Most of the other SDN plugins within CS are either very alpha, or haven't > received any updates in quite a while. > I polled the dev list list a few months back and it didn't appear anyone on > the lists were running (or willing to talk about) Big Switch, Midonet or > Stratosphere. Midonet and Stratosphere are pretty much abandoned. So is the open contrail driver. Big Switch should work as it was updated recently and should be in 4.6 (let me cc KC Wange who did the refactor recently). The opendaylight and native GRE have always been beta, and you are correct that they have not received much attention. > I know someone built the start of a plugin for Open Daylight, but it hasn't > seen any development since then. We even reached out to Midonet, offering to > pay for support and they told us to install Openstack ;-) > > We have the native KVM VXLAN implementation running in our lab and it seems > to work very well. We went 100% 10/40GB using open platform switches and > Cumulus linux. Good to know. > > Our main interest in SDN is to provide more advanced traffic steering and > security features later. > > - Si > > > > > > ____ > From: Nux! > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:56 PM > To: Cloudstack Users List > Cc: dev > Subject: What SDN are you using? > > Hello, > > So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN thing > or should I stay with v(x)lans? > I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to be > with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, > preferably free/foss. > > Lucian > > -- > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > Nux! > www.nux.ro
Re: What SDN are you using?
I don't know if applicable, but I had very good impression from VyOS (http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page). Vadim. On 2015-11-29 20:56, Nux! wrote: Hello, So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN thing or should I stay with v(x)lans? I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to be with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, preferably free/foss. Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro [1] Links: -- [1] http://www.nux.ro
Re: What SDN are you using?
Hi Vadim, Are you using VyOS in a Cloudstack environment? > On 30 Nov 2015, at 11:20, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: > > I don't know if applicable, but I had very good impression from VyOS > (http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page). > > Vadim. > > On 2015-11-29 20:56, Nux! wrote: > >> Hello, >> So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN thing >> or should I stay with v(x)lans? >> I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to be >> with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, >> preferably free/foss. >> Lucian >> -- >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >> Nux! >> www.nux.ro [1] > > > > Links: > -- > [1] http://www.nux.ro
Re: What SDN are you using?
We have been using it at our DEV cloud around year ago. Now we are out or resources so dev- environment is destroyed. Vadim. On 2015-11-30 12:24, Frank Louwers wrote: Hi Vadim, Are you using VyOS in a Cloudstack environment? On 30 Nov 2015, at 11:20, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: I don't know if applicable, but I had very good impression from VyOS (http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page [1]). Vadim. On 2015-11-29 20:56, Nux! wrote: Hello, So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN thing or should I stay with v(x)lans? I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to be with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, preferably free/foss. Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro [2] [1 [2]] Links: -- [1] http://www.nux.ro [2] Links: -- [1] http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page [2] http://www.nux.ro
Re: What SDN are you using?
Hello Vadim, How exactly are you integrating VyOS in Cloudstack? We're also using it internally, but not sure how it would help us, especially with regards to SDN. Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - > From: "Vadim Kimlaychuk" > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Cc: us...@cloudstack.apache.org, "Nux!" > Sent: Monday, 30 November, 2015 11:09:18 > Subject: Re: What SDN are you using? > We have been using it at our DEV cloud around year ago. Now we are out > or resources so dev- environment is destroyed. > > Vadim. > > On 2015-11-30 12:24, Frank Louwers wrote: > >> Hi Vadim, >> >> Are you using VyOS in a Cloudstack environment? >> >> On 30 Nov 2015, at 11:20, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: >> >> I don't know if applicable, but I had very good impression from VyOS >> (http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page [1]). >> >> Vadim. >> >> On 2015-11-29 20:56, Nux! wrote: >> >> Hello, >> So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN >> thing or should I stay with v(x)lans? >> I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend >> to be with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions >> welcome, preferably free/foss. >> Lucian >> -- >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >> Nux! >> www.nux.ro [2] [1 [2]] >> >> Links: >> -- >> [1] http://www.nux.ro [2] > > > > Links: > -- > [1] http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page > [2] http://www.nux.ro
Re: What SDN are you using?
We mostly use it as external (to Cloudstack) intelligent switch/router, but also installed it as guest VM within cloud to provide customized SDN functionality. Vadim. On 2015-11-30 13:10, Nux! wrote: Hello Vadim, How exactly are you integrating VyOS in Cloudstack? We're also using it internally, but not sure how it would help us, especially with regards to SDN. Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro [1] - Original Message - From: "Vadim Kimlaychuk" To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: us...@cloudstack.apache.org, "Nux!" Sent: Monday, 30 November, 2015 11:09:18 Subject: Re: What SDN are you using? We have been using it at our DEV cloud around year ago. Now we are out or resources so dev- environment is destroyed. Vadim. On 2015-11-30 12:24, Frank Louwers wrote: Hi Vadim, Are you using VyOS in a Cloudstack environment? On 30 Nov 2015, at 11:20, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: I don't know if applicable, but I had very good impression from VyOS (http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page [2] [1 [2]]). Vadim. On 2015-11-29 20:56, Nux! wrote: Hello, So besides the folks using Nicira, can anyone recommend any other SDN thing or should I stay with v(x)lans? I'm kind of removed from this side of things since my deployments tend to be with Security Grups in a single or few VLANs, any suggestions welcome, preferably free/foss. Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro [1] [2 [1]] [1 [2]] Links: -- [1] http://www.nux.ro [1] [2 [1]] Links: -- [1] http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page [2] [2] http://www.nux.ro [1] Links: -- [1] http://www.nux.ro [2] http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page
Re: What SDN are you using?
> We have the native KVM VXLAN implementation running in our lab and it seems > to work very well. We went 100% >10/40GB using open platform switches and > Cumulus linux. >Good to know. On the subject of VXLAN on KVM, note that is does not use Openvswitch. Openvswitch doesn't support multicast VXLAN, so it's not a complete implementation. Full native VXLAN support was added to the linux kernel, so the current support in CS is using the linux native implementation. - Si
Re: What SDN are you using?
Simon, To clarify, we're talking about this implementation, right? https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-2328 -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - > From: "Simon Weller" > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, "Kuangching Wang" , > us...@cloudstack.apache.org > Sent: Monday, 30 November, 2015 13:18:15 > Subject: Re: What SDN are you using? > > >> We have the native KVM VXLAN implementation running in our lab and it seems >> to >> work very well. We went 100% >10/40GB using open platform switches and >> Cumulus >> linux. > >>Good to know. > > On the subject of VXLAN on KVM, note that is does not use Openvswitch. > Openvswitch doesn't support multicast VXLAN, so it's not a complete > implementation. Full native VXLAN support was added to the linux kernel, so > the > current support in CS is using the linux native implementation. > > - Si > >
Re: What SDN are you using?
> >From: Nux! >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:39 AM >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >Cc: Kuangching Wang; us...@cloudstack.apache.org >Subject: Re: What SDN are you using? > >Simon, > >To clarify, we're talking about this implementation, right? >https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-2328 Yes, correct.
