Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
hepabolu wrote:
Guys,
Thien did it again:
- he changed the masthead, making it a bit smaller and darker.
- he also added a search box and changed the color of apache cocoon to
be more prominent.
- he removed some tiles to make things look better at 800x600.
- the green blocks are now moved also to make things look better at
800x600.
- the green blocks are also a bit darker.
- he added nice icons to the content.
In short, I'm very happy with this result.
My overall impression: I like it!
Let me offer two remarks:
- I think the page is a bit overloaded. I would like to see more white space,
especially before h1 headlines (~15px) and at the left margin of the green
boxes (~30px).
- I'm not really happy with the red border of the note paragraph, though I don't
have a better alternative.
Thanks Thien!
--
Reinhard Pötz Independent Consultant, Trainer (IT)-Coach
{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}
web(log): http://www.poetz.cc
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
hepabolu wrote: Awesome! Looks good ... but ... is that a page curl beside What is Apache Cocoon ? *shudder* I suppose it is. I think it's very well done, no tackiness about it. What makes you shudder? I'm not crazy about this page curl as well... Would it perhaps be better to move both What is Apache Cocoon? and next one to the separate About page? Vadim Also, how would it look with Cocoon 2.1 somewhere in the top menubar too? True, that needs to be added. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
Vadim Gritsenko said the following on 7/2/07 16:11: hepabolu wrote: Awesome! Looks good ... but ... is that a page curl beside What is Apache Cocoon ? *shudder* I suppose it is. I think it's very well done, no tackiness about it. What makes you shudder? I'm not crazy about this page curl as well... Would it perhaps be better to move both What is Apache Cocoon? and next one to the separate About page? The page curl: I'll leave that to Thien. The content of the box: I think you need to have it there, maybe not in full but as a first time visitor I want to know what I'm looking at and if it's on the front page, I get my questions solved in seconds which gives me a good impression of the project. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Sylvain Wallez said the following on 6/2/07 08:49: Mo :-) Don't confuse your cows and your sheep. ;-) Collecting opinions is good, but we also need to define the decision process to avoid endless discussions and frustration in the end for those that may have the feeling the decision was imposed on them. +1 Having Thien and Helma making the final choice is fine if everybody knows it in advance. Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm working with Thien now to fix some details. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
Guys, Thien did it again: - he changed the masthead, making it a bit smaller and darker. - he also added a search box and changed the color of apache cocoon to be more prominent. - he removed some tiles to make things look better at 800x600. - the green blocks are now moved also to make things look better at 800x600. - the green blocks are also a bit darker. - he added nice icons to the content. In short, I'm very happy with this result. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Reinhard Poetz wrote: But before contininuing with further discusions we should clarify how we come to a final decision? My proposal: Everybody can share his thoughts/ideas about the design but the final decision is made by Thien and Helma. Is this okay for everybody? +1
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
OOPS now the link: http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final2.html Bye, Helma On 2/6/07, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Thien did it again: - he changed the masthead, making it a bit smaller and darker. - he also added a search box and changed the color of apache cocoon to be more prominent. - he removed some tiles to make things look better at 800x600. - the green blocks are now moved also to make things look better at 800x600. - the green blocks are also a bit darker. - he added nice icons to the content. In short, I'm very happy with this result. Bye, Helma -- Bye, hepabolu
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On 2/5/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 February 2007 00:22, Peter Hunsberger wrote: Very nice. I'm with the camp that would like to see it shrink a little, not much but just a little. Also, I still find it a little on the pastel side, I'd like to see a version with bolder colors. And I realize that asking developers for opinion on style and good taste is like asking sheep farmers to comment on Versace's latest designs; They are in the supply chain, but hardly the target audience... ;o) I wouldn't assume that; most of us have been working with the Cocoon web site for a long time now and there's a lot of talent in the development group. Personally, I grew up in a family of artists that also ran an art gallery so I realise that everyones opinions on any given piece of artistic content are going to vary widely. However, having been involved in web site design since it first became possible to be involved in web site design I do think we need to go through a limited critiquing process and that the development community is as good of source of opinions as any. Perhaps widening the audience to the user's lists is a good move. I'm not opposed, but I'm not sure that getting more opinions will help any? What value do you think they would add? -- Peter Hunsberger
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
hepabolu wrote: OOPS now the link: http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final2.html I'm impressed - it works! http://people.apache.org/~vgritsenko/temp/screenshot98.png :-P Vadim On 2/6/07, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Thien did it again: - he changed the masthead, making it a bit smaller and darker. - he also added a search box and changed the color of apache cocoon to be more prominent. - he removed some tiles to make things look better at 800x600. - the green blocks are now moved also to make things look better at 800x600. - the green blocks are also a bit darker. - he added nice icons to the content. In short, I'm very happy with this result. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
On 2/6/07, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OOPS now the link: http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final2.html Bye, Helma On 2/6/07, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Thien did it again: - he changed the masthead, making it a bit smaller and darker. - he also added a search box and changed the color of apache cocoon to be more prominent. - he removed some tiles to make things look better at 800x600. - the green blocks are now moved also to make things look better at 800x600. - the green blocks are also a bit darker. - he added nice icons to the content. In short, I'm very happy with this result. I'm probably going to get dumped on for saying this, but I'd like to see the Cocoon logo on the left moved down about 2mm or so and maybe moved to the right about the same amount. This is so that it looks a little more balanced within the blocks and so that the blocks behind it are more clearly detached from the logo. This might not work, it could unbalance the rest of the design, but I'd sort of like to see what happens... However, I would certainly be very happy to see this as the final version, it's very good (once more). -- Peter Hunsberger
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
Hi, On 6 Feb 2007, at 14:24, hepabolu wrote: Thien did it again: Awesome! Looks good ... but ... is that a page curl beside What is Apache Cocoon ? *shudder* Also, how would it look with Cocoon 2.1 somewhere in the top menubar too? Excellent work, though! Thanks, Andrew. -- Andrew Savory, Managing Director, Luminas Limited Tel: +44 (0)870 741 6658 Fax: +44 (0)700 598 1135 Web: http://www.luminas.co.uk/ Sourcesense: http://www.sourcesense.com/
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Peter Hunsberger said the following on 6/2/07 16:07: involved in web site design I do think we need to go through a limited critiquing process and that the development community is as good of source of opinions as any. +1 We need to agree on something that we all like, more or less. If you visit any project's website you get the end result whether you like it or not. In this case we have a choice, so we might get consensus. I'm not opposed, but I'm not sure that getting more opinions will help any? What value do you think they would add? I agree that asking for more opinions will only give you more _different_ opinions. I'd say the discussion about the new website design is a privilege of the committers. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead - update
Awesome! Looks good ... but ... is that a page curl beside What is Apache Cocoon ? *shudder* I suppose it is. I think it's very well done, no tackiness about it. What makes you shudder? Also, how would it look with Cocoon 2.1 somewhere in the top menubar too? True, that needs to be added. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:22 AM, hepabolu wrote: I agree that asking for more opinions will only give you more _different_ opinions. I'd say the discussion about the new website design is a privilege of the committers. Well maybe I can get a special dispensation, because IIRC this masthead revision was at my instigation... :-) I think it looks pretty good. Notes: 1) This latest version of the layout is robust w.r.t. window resizes (an improvement on the first one where the green boxes were floated). The new page does pretty well with the text scale-up test... no blowouts except in the green box content (at least, in Safari and Mozilla where I've tested). Don't know if you want to fix that or not...? 2) Would that page corner fold graphic be a link to more info? Seems like that's usually what it means... 3) W.r.t. the masthead itself... I meant to comment on this before, but never got to it until now so I understand if it's too late to do anything about it. Anyway, seeing it now in the context of a full web page strengthens my feeling about this design that the color palette is a little bit bland and boring. How about this... Thien, if you were to just take 3-4 of the blocks near the bottom-right corner of the block field — where that one block is sort of breaking away from the rest — and give them new colors outside of the blue shade scale used for the other blocks (I'm thinking purple, orange, bright green?) — that would break up the mum's kitchen tile effect and liven up the color scheme. How hard would that be to try? Just a suggestion from one of the sheep farmers :-) cheers, —ml—
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
On Monday 05 February 2007 04:40, hepabolu wrote: I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) Perhaps I am even more biased... but I like it as well. Cheers Niclas
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
hepabolu skrev: Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) WDYT? Bye, Helma It looks great! But it takes a little bit to much screen real estate IMHO. It is a little bit higher than our current look and nearly twice as high as the masthead and top menu for Spring framework. Would it be possible to rescale it so that it takes a little bit less space? Also the getting ... boxes dominates the page a little bit to much for my taste (at least on my screen), they look quite heavy compared to the blue fade out in the mast head. Would it be possible to make them less visually heavy? /Daniel
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
hepabolu skrev:
Guys,
Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks
masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage.
http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html
I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-)
WDYT?
Bye, Helma
It looks great!
But it takes a little bit to much screen real estate IMHO. It is a
little bit higher than our current look and nearly twice as high as the
masthead and top menu for Spring framework. Would it be possible to
rescale it so that it takes a little bit less space?
could be worth a try
Also the getting
... boxes dominates the page a little bit to much for my taste (at
least on my screen), they look quite heavy compared to the blue fade out
in the mast head. Would it be possible to make them less visually heavy?
I like these boxes as they are. IMO they should be the eye catcher number one of
the homepage. I wouldn't change them.
--
Reinhard Pötz Independent Consultant, Trainer (IT)-Coach
{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}
web(log): http://www.poetz.cc
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
2007/2/4, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) WDYT? Wow, amazing - I really like it! Great work, Thien! Bye, Helma -- Andreas
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Reinhard Poetz said the following on 5/2/07 11:17: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: But it takes a little bit to much screen real estate IMHO. It is a little bit higher than our current look and nearly twice as high as the masthead and top menu for Spring framework. Would it be possible to rescale it so that it takes a little bit less space? could be worth a try I wouldn't compare it to different websites. This is OUR website and we should agree on it, no matter what size. I now miss the search box that could be in the header as well. Please note that shrinking the masthead will also take the air out of the design and I suspect that it will give a cluttered and crammed look. And don't forget you guys voted for the blocks, so you have to live with it. ;-) Also the getting ... boxes dominates the page a little bit to much for my taste (at least on my screen), they look quite heavy compared to the blue fade out in the mast head. Would it be possible to make them less visually heavy? I like these boxes as they are. IMO they should be the eye catcher number one of the homepage. I wouldn't change them. I fully agree. This is our home page and the eye catcher. Other pages will not have these green blocks, so don't worry. I resized the page to 1024 x 768 and it still works well and leaves plenty of space for the content. I assume that the majority of (potential) users will be developers that will have screens at that resolution or better. So I'm all for a minimal best resolution of 1024 x 768 and improved aesthetics. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:34 AM, hepabolu wrote: Please note that shrinking the masthead will also take the air out of the design and I suspect that it will give a cluttered and crammed look. I agree. -1 on shrinking the masthead. —ml—
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
On 2/4/07, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) WDYT? Very nice. I'm with the camp that would like to see it shrink a little, not much but just a little. Also, I still find it a little on the pastel side, I'd like to see a version with bolder colors. However, I can certainly live with it as it is, it's really very good. -- Peter Hunsberger
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On Tuesday 06 February 2007 00:22, Peter Hunsberger wrote: Very nice. I'm with the camp that would like to see it shrink a little, not much but just a little. Also, I still find it a little on the pastel side, I'd like to see a version with bolder colors. And I realize that asking developers for opinion on style and good taste is like asking sheep farmers to comment on Versace's latest designs; They are in the supply chain, but hardly the target audience... ;o) Perhaps widening the audience to the user's lists is a good move. Cheers Niclas
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 00:22, Peter Hunsberger wrote:
Very nice. I'm with the camp that would like to see it shrink a
little, not much but just a little. Also, I still find it a little on
the pastel side, I'd like to see a version with bolder colors.
And I realize that asking developers for opinion on style and good taste is
like asking sheep farmers to comment on Versace's latest designs; They are in
the supply chain, but hardly the target audience... ;o)
LOL
Perhaps widening the audience to the user's lists is a good move.
Fine for me.
But before contininuing with further discusions we should clarify how we come to
a final decision?
My proposal: Everybody can share his thoughts/ideas about the design
but the final decision is made by Thien and Helma.
Is this okay for everybody?
--
Reinhard Pötz Independent Consultant, Trainer (IT)-Coach
{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}
web(log): http://www.poetz.cc
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Hi everyone, But before contininuing with further discusions we should clarify how we come to a final decision? My proposal: Everybody can share his thoughts/ideas about the design but the final decision is made by Thien and Helma. Is this okay for everybody? I have sent Helma a (what I think) better solution for this, let's see if it's ok after the files were uploaded. Thanks. Thien
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 06 February 2007 00:22, Peter Hunsberger wrote: Very nice. I'm with the camp that would like to see it shrink a little, not much but just a little. Also, I still find it a little on the pastel side, I'd like to see a version with bolder colors. And I realize that asking developers for opinion on style and good taste is like asking sheep farmers to comment on Versace's latest designs; They are in the supply chain, but hardly the target audience... ;o) Mo :-) Perhaps widening the audience to the user's lists is a good move. Collecting opinions is good, but we also need to define the decision process to avoid endless discussions and frustration in the end for those that may have the feeling the decision was imposed on them. Having Thien and Helma making the final choice is fine if everybody knows it in advance. Sylvain -- Sylvain Wallez - http://bluxte.net
[graphics] New version of masthead
Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) WDYT? Bye, Helma
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, hepabolu wrote: Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:40:48 +0100 From: hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: dev@cocoon.apache.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dev@cocoon.apache.org Subject: [graphics] New version of masthead Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) WDYT? Yes, look really good! - -- Giacomo Pati Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFxlPvLNdJvZjjVZARAkE3AJ9FUoK1xsh2zaepBKSDMGmqAid3OwCgkOhU RdrKEIJDPTe8Pd0CZVZv0zI= =woup -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Wow! hepabolu wrote: Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) WDYT? Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Ralph Goers said the following on 4/2/07 22:51: Wow! :-) Very up-to-date and hip reaction. Bye, Helma
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
hepabolu wrote: Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html mighty superb, well done !! Jorg
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
hepabolu wrote: Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) WDYT? Wow! Very nice! Sylvain -- Sylvain Wallez - http://bluxte.net
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
hepabolu wrote:
Guys,
Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks
masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage.
http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html
I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-)
WDYT?
wow, I love it!
--
Reinhard Pötz Independent Consultant, Trainer (IT)-Coach
{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}
web(log): http://www.poetz.cc
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
hepabolu wrote: Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) Couple of small issues to fix, please see the screen shot [1]. * The Apache Cocoon Project is impossible to read on the 'blocks' background. * Getting Involved is overlapping with Getting Started. Looks fine with the exception of these two nits. Vadim [1] http://people.apache.org/~vgritsenko/temp/screenshot.png
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Couple of small issues to fix, please see the screen shot [1]. * The Apache Cocoon Project is impossible to read on the 'blocks' background. * Getting Involved is overlapping with Getting Started. Yeah, I will make the project title clearer. The Getting... blocks should be in one row, there were some mistakes in my css, so the Getting Involved box will drop if you view the page on screen lower than 1024, but that will be fixed. Thanks. If this is okay, where should I send the final html+images to? Thien
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
Thien wrote: Couple of small issues to fix, please see the screen shot [1]. * The Apache Cocoon Project is impossible to read on the 'blocks' background. * Getting Involved is overlapping with Getting Started. Yeah, I will make the project title clearer. The Getting... blocks should be in one row, there were some mistakes in my css, so the Getting Involved box will drop if you view the page on screen lower than 1024, but that will be fixed. Thanks. Great. If this is okay, where should I send the final html+images to? Send to Helma as usual :) Vadim
Re: [graphics] New version of masthead
hepabolu escribió: Guys, Thien did it again. He created a great new version of the blocks masthead and redesigned the rest of the homepage. http://people.apache.org/~hepabolu/final.html I don't want to bias you, but I like it a lot. ;-) +1 :) Best Regards, Antonio Gallardo
