Re: Orbeon Presentation Server - OXF Rebuttal needed again?
Why the bitterness? Competition is a good thing. Personally I am happy that OXF has been opensourced. It is a good solid product and its main weakness was not being opensource. Having used both OXF and Cocoon on several projects they are both good and both different. I believe OXF started out from Norman Walsh's pipeline definition. http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xml-pipeline-20020228/ The result is the almost complete eradication of java in the presentation tier which is either a good or a bad thing depending on your perspective. But the way I see it, it just means more choice for web developers. In some ways I find OXF is more like Struts than Cocoon -- I see it as a way to bring my Struts colleagues across to XSLT pipelining rather than as a replacement for Cocoon. Looking through the comparison I cant find anything that is actually untrue? I'm sure if there is anything specific then the Orbeon guys will change it. Damon. > > but I was just wondering if any of the Cocoon developers are interested > > in taking a look at the current state of the comparison between their > > Presentation Server and Cocoon and maybe come up with more accurate > > descriptions of cocoons capabilities? > > Bah. I've seen that they changed it again: whenever they had to > recognize that Cocoon had the very same (if not better) capabilities, > they used the "limited" keyword. I see no way and no reason for them > to come out with an accurate comparison, and their open sourcing seems > to me the typical last resort they could think of. I would rather let > them die the painful death they deserve. >
Re: Orbeon Presentation Server - OXF Rebuttal needed again?
On 06 Sep 2004, at 10:09, Mats Norén wrote: Hi all, I saw an announcement of the Open Integration Suite [http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/orbeon] on the XForms-list, their presentation server is a spinoff of the cocoon concepts. Similarly, have a look at http://www.snapbridge.com/products/fdx_xml_server.html - comes with an embedded XML BD. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org
Re: Orbeon Presentation Server - OXF Rebuttal needed again?
> Hi all, > I saw an announcement of the Open > Integration Suite [http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/orbeon] on the > XForms-list, their presentation server is a spinoff of the cocoon > concepts. I think their marketing has been discussed earlier on the this > list > [http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106379385526623&w=2] > but I was just wondering if any of the Cocoon developers are interested > in taking a look at the current state of the comparison between their > Presentation Server and Cocoon and maybe come up with more accurate > descriptions of cocoons capabilities? Bah. I've seen that they changed it again: whenever they had to recognize that Cocoon had the very same (if not better) capabilities, they used the "limited" keyword. I see no way and no reason for them to come out with an accurate comparison, and their open sourcing seems to me the typical last resort they could think of. I would rather let them die the painful death they deserve. Ciao, -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the XML business alliance: http://www.orixo.com
Orbeon Presentation Server - OXF Rebuttal needed again?
Hi all, I saw an announcement of the Open Integration Suite [http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/orbeon] on the XForms-list, their presentation server is a spinoff of the cocoon concepts. I think their marketing has been discussed earlier on the this list [http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=106379385526623&w=2] but I was just wondering if any of the Cocoon developers are interested in taking a look at the current state of the comparison between their Presentation Server and Cocoon and maybe come up with more accurate descriptions of cocoons capabilities? [http://www.orbeon.com/community/cocoon] Regards Mats
