Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-23 Thread Ugo Cei
Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 11:04, Marc Portier ha scritto:
I've been largely skimreading this list last couple of weeks so maybe 
I missed an important update on the svn switch for cocoon?
IIRC there was going to be a spot for these kind of efforts?

In any case it would be nice to have something small-scale here and 
now.
OK, as a *temporary* solution while I get myself up-to-date on SVN, I 
have setup a repository on my machine. If anybody wants CVS access 
(over ssh only) drop me a line stating desired username and password 
and I'll arange it ASAP.

Ugo
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Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Upayavira dijo:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>>
>>> What about a mailing list?
>>
>>
>> We're having an unpleasant discussion about creating mailing lists on
>> the community list... ugh
>>
>> IMO the right thing is to ask a vote for it, and then ask infra to set
>> it up as per the Cocoon PMC decision.
>>
> I don't want to see another mailing list. That would create a fork of
> Cocoon, which is _not_ what I understand you as trying to do.
>
> All discussion of Butterfly _must_ happen here, so that we all have some
> oversight over what is going on, whether we want to participate or not.
> (I'm sure we're all skilled enough at skipping irrelevant messages,
> aren't we!)

+1 for Upayavira proposal. We will discuss things here.

Best Regards,

Antonio Gallardo



Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote:
Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 15:17, Nicola Ken Barozzi ha scritto:
As I tried to explain, as a Cocoon committer you should be able to 
experiment in a branch. As soon as the SVN conversion is over, you can 
create a butterfly branch and all Cocooon committers can work there if 
they want to.

Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't a branch include all the sources from 
the main trunk when you create it? If so, it isn't appropriate, since I 
want to start from a clean slate.
a branch in SVN is just a copy. up to you to decide what to copy. in 
case of zero copy is just a "svn mkdir http://...";

IMO the right thing is to ask a vote for it, and then ask infra to set 
it up as per the Cocoon PMC decision.
OK, but unless someone objects, for the moment I think we can continue 
the discussion on this list, as Marc suggested.
+1
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Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Dave Brondsema
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Ugo Cei wrote:

> Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 15:17, Nicola Ken Barozzi ha scritto:
>
> > As I tried to explain, as a Cocoon committer you should be able to
> > experiment in a branch. As soon as the SVN conversion is over, you can
> > create a butterfly branch and all Cocooon committers can work there if
> > they want to.
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't a branch include all the sources from
> the main trunk when you create it? If so, it isn't appropriate, since I
> want to start from a clean slate.
>

It does.  You would probably want to create a new directory as a peer to
'trunk'.

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Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Ugo Cei
Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 15:17, Nicola Ken Barozzi ha scritto:
As I tried to explain, as a Cocoon committer you should be able to 
experiment in a branch. As soon as the SVN conversion is over, you can 
create a butterfly branch and all Cocooon committers can work there if 
they want to.
Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't a branch include all the sources from 
the main trunk when you create it? If so, it isn't appropriate, since I 
want to start from a clean slate.

IMO the right thing is to ask a vote for it, and then ask infra to set 
it up as per the Cocoon PMC decision.
OK, but unless someone objects, for the moment I think we can continue 
the discussion on this list, as Marc suggested.

Ugo
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Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Upayavira
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

What about a mailing list?

We're having an unpleasant discussion about creating mailing lists on 
the community list... ugh

IMO the right thing is to ask a vote for it, and then ask infra to set 
it up as per the Cocoon PMC decision.

I don't want to see another mailing list. That would create a fork of 
Cocoon, which is _not_ what I understand you as trying to do.

All discussion of Butterfly _must_ happen here, so that we all have some 
oversight over what is going on, whether we want to participate or not. 
(I'm sure we're all skilled enough at skipping irrelevant messages, 
aren't we!)

Regards, Upayavira



Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ugo Cei wrote:
Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 10:34, Marc Portier ha scritto:
still have to get into your actual code sample though, by the way: 
could we arrange having a cvs somewhere?
How about cocoondev.org? Is the migration over? I asked Steven some time 
ago about hosting the SpringPetstore block and he askde me to wait until 
August.

Or would it be better to create a new module in the Apache CVS?
I'd rather avoid SF, I've had unpleasant experiences in the past.
As I tried to explain, as a Cocoon committer you should be able to 
experiment in a branch. As soon as the SVN conversion is over, you can 
create a butterfly branch and all Cocooon committers can work there if 
they want to.

What about a mailing list?
We're having an unpleasant discussion about creating mailing lists on 
the community list... ugh

IMO the right thing is to ask a vote for it, and then ask infra to set 
it up as per the Cocoon PMC decision.

--
Nicola Ken Barozzi   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- verba volant, scripta manent -
   (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Marc Portier wrote:
I've been largely skimreading this list last couple of weeks so maybe 
I missed an important update on the svn switch for cocoon?

Yep.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=109043692326007
Vadim


Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Marc Portier

Ugo Cei wrote:
Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 10:34, Marc Portier ha scritto:
still have to get into your actual code sample though, by the way: 
could we arrange having a cvs somewhere?

How about cocoondev.org? Is the migration over? I asked Steven some time 
ago about hosting the SpringPetstore block and he askde me to wait until 
August.

there have been some upgrades on the machinery recently, but I remember 
him making more serious shifting plans after his return from holidays...

I'm not into his planning in detail but I would guess this to mean mid 
aug at the earliest

Or would it be better to create a new module in the Apache CVS?
IMHO it belongs in the cocoon repo, no?
I've been largely skimreading this list last couple of weeks so maybe I 
missed an important update on the svn switch for cocoon?
IIRC there was going to be a spot for these kind of efforts?

In any case it would be nice to have something small-scale here and now.
I'd rather avoid SF, I've had unpleasant experiences in the past.
me too
What about a mailing list?
I would not leave this spot unless (god forbid) people actually asked to 
take it elsewhere

regards,
-marc=
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Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Ugo Cei
Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 10:34, Marc Portier ha scritto:
still have to get into your actual code sample though, by the way: 
could we arrange having a cvs somewhere?
How about cocoondev.org? Is the migration over? I asked Steven some 
time ago about hosting the SpringPetstore block and he askde me to wait 
until August.

Or would it be better to create a new module in the Apache CVS?
I'd rather avoid SF, I've had unpleasant experiences in the past.
What about a mailing list?
Ugo
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