Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
Yes. httpclient actually changes a lot between 3.x and 4.x and is not backwards compatible. I recently ported a piece of code from 3.x to 4.x and the changes are simple but require code changes. -h On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:09, sebb wrote: > On 9 November 2010 17:47, Henning Schmiedehausen > wrote: >> This opens the philosophical can of worms of whether the dependencies >> in the POM should be the 'least version required to run this' or 'the >> latest and greatest'. > >> personally, I prefer the former. If someone integrating vfs uses >> commons-collections-3.2.1 in their project, they will override the >> transitive dependency of commons-vfs. But if someone integrating >> commons-vfs needs to use commons-collections-3.1 for whatever reason, >> then dragging in a sudden dependency change will screw them over. >> >> So I am -1 on this change. Please don't do it. > > Sorry, already did it. > > I'll revert the Collections change, but I think HttpClient should > remain at 3.1 (rather than 3.0) as there were quite a few important > fixes in it. > > Also I assume JUnit can stay at 4.8.2 as that is a test-only dependency. > >> -h >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 04:13, sebb wrote: >>> The following dependencies could potentially be updated: >>> >>> ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 >>> commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 >>> commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 >>> javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 >>> org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 >>> xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 >>> >>> I think we should update most, if not all of them. >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
On 9 November 2010 17:47, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > This opens the philosophical can of worms of whether the dependencies > in the POM should be the 'least version required to run this' or 'the > latest and greatest'. > personally, I prefer the former. If someone integrating vfs uses > commons-collections-3.2.1 in their project, they will override the > transitive dependency of commons-vfs. But if someone integrating > commons-vfs needs to use commons-collections-3.1 for whatever reason, > then dragging in a sudden dependency change will screw them over. > > So I am -1 on this change. Please don't do it. Sorry, already did it. I'll revert the Collections change, but I think HttpClient should remain at 3.1 (rather than 3.0) as there were quite a few important fixes in it. Also I assume JUnit can stay at 4.8.2 as that is a test-only dependency. > -h > > > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 04:13, sebb wrote: >> The following dependencies could potentially be updated: >> >> ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 >> commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 >> commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 >> javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 >> org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 >> xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 >> >> I think we should update most, if not all of them. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
This opens the philosophical can of worms of whether the dependencies in the POM should be the 'least version required to run this' or 'the latest and greatest'. personally, I prefer the former. If someone integrating vfs uses commons-collections-3.2.1 in their project, they will override the transitive dependency of commons-vfs. But if someone integrating commons-vfs needs to use commons-collections-3.1 for whatever reason, then dragging in a sudden dependency change will screw them over. So I am -1 on this change. Please don't do it. -h On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 04:13, sebb wrote: > The following dependencies could potentially be updated: > > ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 > commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 > commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 > javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 > org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 > xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 > > I think we should update most, if not all of them. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
On Nov 8, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote: > sebb wrote: > >> On 8 November 2010 16:05, sebb wrote: >>> On 8 November 2010 12:46, James Carman >>> wrote: Why do we have a dependency on ant? >>> >>> No idea - looks like it's not needed. >> >> Actually, the tasks package uses org.apache.tools.ant (I was looking >> for org.apache.ant) > > See also: http://commons.apache.org/vfs/anttasks.html > Right, and Ant, IMO, is a special case: In Ant 1.7.x we gave higher prominence to Ant's Resource type and refactored damned near everything to use Resources/ResourceCollections. Because VFS provides a compatibility layer for *older* versions of Ant, I would suggest the minimum Ant version be left as early as possible, until, of course, the Ant compatibility APIs are rewritten to implement Ant Resources/ResourceCollections. Maybe that will happen in VFS 3.0; I don't know that I would have the time to do it now. :/ -Matt > - Jörg > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
On 8 November 2010 16:14, Gary Gregory wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: jcar...@carmanconsulting.com [mailto:jcar...@carmanconsulting.com] On >> Behalf Of James Carman >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 04:46 >> To: Commons Developers List >> Subject: Re: [VFS] Update dependencies? >> >> Why do we have a dependency on ant? >> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:13 AM, sebb wrote: >> > The following dependencies could potentially be updated: >> > >> > ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 >> > commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 > > HttpClient 3.0 to 3.1 should be a drop-in but 3.1 to 4.0.3 will require code > changes. So we should also plan for that. That should be a long-term goal. The 4.x lines are still evolving, and AFAIK 3.1 performs well enough for simple HTTP(S) requests. > Gary > >> > commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 >> > javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 >> > org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 >> > xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 >> > >> > I think we should update most, if not all of them. >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> > >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
sebb wrote: > On 8 November 2010 16:05, sebb wrote: >> On 8 November 2010 12:46, James Carman >> wrote: >>> Why do we have a dependency on ant? >> >> No idea - looks like it's not needed. > > Actually, the tasks package uses org.apache.tools.ant (I was looking > for org.apache.ant) See also: http://commons.apache.org/vfs/anttasks.html - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
sebb wrote: > On 8 November 2010 12:46, James Carman wrote: >> Why do we have a dependency on ant? > > No idea - looks like it's not needed. > > Perhaps someone thought it was needed for the Maven Antrun plugin? No. VfsTask is based on Ant: core/src/main/java/org/apache/commons/vfs/tasks/VfsTask.java However, I am not sure how this stuff is used. - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
RE: [VFS] Update dependencies?
> -Original Message- > From: jcar...@carmanconsulting.com [mailto:jcar...@carmanconsulting.com] On > Behalf Of James Carman > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 04:46 > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [VFS] Update dependencies? > > Why do we have a dependency on ant? > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:13 AM, sebb wrote: > > The following dependencies could potentially be updated: > > > > ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 > > commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 HttpClient 3.0 to 3.1 should be a drop-in but 3.1 to 4.0.3 will require code changes. So we should also plan for that. Gary > > commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 > > javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 > > org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 > > xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 > > > > I think we should update most, if not all of them. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
On 8 November 2010 16:05, sebb wrote: > On 8 November 2010 12:46, James Carman wrote: >> Why do we have a dependency on ant? > > No idea - looks like it's not needed. Actually, the tasks package uses org.apache.tools.ant (I was looking for org.apache.ant) > Perhaps someone thought it was needed for the Maven Antrun plugin? > >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:13 AM, sebb wrote: >>> The following dependencies could potentially be updated: >>> >>> ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 >>> commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 >>> commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 >>> javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 >>> org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 >>> xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 >>> >>> I think we should update most, if not all of them. >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
On 8 November 2010 12:46, James Carman wrote: > Why do we have a dependency on ant? No idea - looks like it's not needed. Perhaps someone thought it was needed for the Maven Antrun plugin? > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:13 AM, sebb wrote: >> The following dependencies could potentially be updated: >> >> ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 >> commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 >> commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 >> javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 >> org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 >> xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 >> >> I think we should update most, if not all of them. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
sebb wrote: > The following dependencies could potentially be updated: > > ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 > commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 > commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 > javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 > org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 > xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 1.3.04 2.x series is bogus and the artifacts are effectively a lot older than 1.3.x. And do we still need it anyway? The ones provided by the JDK 1.5 could be new enough. - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [VFS] Update dependencies?
Why do we have a dependency on ant? On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:13 AM, sebb wrote: > The following dependencies could potentially be updated: > > ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 > commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 > commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 > javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 > org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 > xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 > > I think we should update most, if not all of them. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
[VFS] Update dependencies?
The following dependencies could potentially be updated: ant:ant ... 1.6.2 -> 1.6.5 commons-httpclient:commons-httpclient . 3.0 -> 3.1 commons-collections:commons-collections . 3.1 -> 3.2.1 javax.mail:mail . 1.4 -> 1.4.1 org.apache.jackrabbit:jackrabbit-webdav ... 1.5.2 -> 2.1.2 xml-apis:xml-apis 1.0.b2 -> 2.0.2 I think we should update most, if not all of them. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
