Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[sebb]

On 12 April 2016 at 13:14, Stian Soiland-Reyes  wrote:
> Right, dist is just using SVN as a convenient way to manage the
> distribution tree for the download mirrors, that it is version controlled
> is a nice side effect, it would not work well with Git (except possibly
> with LFS) as every binary and source release of ASF since the dist repos
> inception is in the history :)

The SVN tree at
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/
is used as the svnpubsub source for the ASF mirrors at
http://www.[eu|us].apache.org/dist

The 3rd party mirrors then fetch the files using rsync from either the
EU or US mirror.

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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Stian Soiland-Reyes]

Right, dist is just using SVN as a convenient way to manage the
distribution tree for the download mirrors, that it is version controlled
is a nice side effect, it would not work well with Git (except possibly
with LFS) as every binary and source release of ASF since the dist repos
inception is in the history :)
On 12 Apr 2016 00:04, "sebb" <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11 April 2016 at 23:57, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I volunteered here because I (mis?) remembered that commons had
> decided to activate the 'univeral commit bit', so that I would already
> have commit access.

The dist repo is not the same as the commons repo; they don't even
share the same parent.

> Are you willing to add me to the group?

>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 3:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11 April 2016 at 22:56, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> > I'm assuming this code hasn't been moved to git, based on the lack of
>>> > discussion of same on the relevant web page.
>>> >
>>>
>>> AIUI the dist/ tree will never be moved to Git because it has so much
>>> data in it, and it's not possible to check out a part of a Git repo.
>>>
>>
>> Really? It seems like keeping the whole repo is a good idea. How much
data
>> are we talking about here?
>>
>> Are we talking about a Git limit or an Apache limit?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>>
>>> I think the problem is that you are not in the Commons Unix group.
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Benson Margulies <
bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> First Karma issue:
>>> >>
>>> >> SendingKEYS
>>> >> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
>>> >> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
>>> >> forbidden by the server
>>> >> svn: E175013: Access to
>>> >> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
>>> >> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
>>> >> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <
>>> bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And there are recent commits.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and
then
>>> >>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather
than
>>> >>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is
there a
>>> >>> reason not to do that?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <
garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus.
That
>>> might
>>> >>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would
be
>>> a good
>>> >>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> G
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> >>>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give
me
>>> >>>>> > enough permission.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Benson,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant
>>> you
>>> >>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the
>>> PMC.
>>> >>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>>> >>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Mark Thomas]

On 11/04/2016 22:52, Benson Margulies wrote:
> First Karma issue:
> 
> SendingKEYS
> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
> forbidden by the server
> svn: E175013: Access to
> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'

OK. That is because of the way the authorization file is generated for
the /dist repo. You need to be in the commons committers group.

On the basis that all ASF committers have the commit bit at Commons, I
have just added you explicitly to the Commons committers group.

Mark

> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>>
>> And there are recent commits.
>>
>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
>> reason not to do that?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That might
>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be a good
>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>> Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
>>>>> enough permission.
>>>>
>>>> Benson,
>>>>
>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>>>>
>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>>>>
>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>>>>
>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant you
>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the PMC.
>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board. That
>>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
>>>> requires PMC membership.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can
>>>> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
>>>>>> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA
>>>> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong,
>>>> as I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
>>>>>> had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group
>>>>>> of people access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
>>>>>> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <
>>>> bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm a member e

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Nick Burch]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016, Benson Margulies wrote:

A patch:


Key added in r13138

Nick

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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Gary Gregory]

>>> > I'm assuming this code hasn't been moved to git, based on the lack
> of
> >>>> > discussion of same on the relevant web page.
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> AIUI the dist/ tree will never be moved to Git because it has so much
> >>>> data in it, and it's not possible to check out a part of a Git repo.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Really? It seems like keeping the whole repo is a good idea. How much
> data
> >>> are we talking about here?
> >>>
> >>> Are we talking about a Git limit or an Apache limit?
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the problem is that you are not in the Commons Unix group.
> >>>>
> >>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Benson Margulies <
> bimargul...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >> First Karma issue:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> SendingKEYS
> >>>> >> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details
> follow):
> >>>> >> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
> >>>> >> forbidden by the server
> >>>> >> svn: E175013: Access to
> >>>> >> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
> >>>> >> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
> >>>> >> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <
> >>>> bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> And there are recent commits.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and
> then
> >>>> >>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather
> than
> >>>> >>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is
> there a
> >>>> >>> reason not to do that?
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <
> garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus.
> That
> >>>> might
> >>>> >>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That
> would be
> >>>> a good
> >>>> >>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> G
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
> >>>> >>>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to
> give me
> >>>> >>>>> > enough permission.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Benson,
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to
> grant
> >>>> you
> >>>> >>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on
> the
> >>>> PMC.
> >>>> >>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote
> and
> >>>> >>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the
> board.
> >>>> That
> >>>> >>>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process
> that
> >>>> >>>>> requires PMC membership.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Benson Margulies]

t;
>>>>
>>>> I think the problem is that you are not in the Commons Unix group.
>>>>
>>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> First Karma issue:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> SendingKEYS
>>>> >> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
>>>> >> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
>>>> >> forbidden by the server
>>>> >> svn: E175013: Access to
>>>> >> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
>>>> >> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
>>>> >> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <
>>>> bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> And there are recent commits.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
>>>> >>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
>>>> >>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
>>>> >>> reason not to do that?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That
>>>> might
>>>> >>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be
>>>> a good
>>>> >>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> G
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>> >>>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
>>>> >>>>> > enough permission.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Benson,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant
>>>> you
>>>> >>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the
>>>> PMC.
>>>> >>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>>>> >>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board.
>>>> That
>>>> >>>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
>>>> >>>>> requires PMC membership.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Mark
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights
>>>> can
>>>> >>>>> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >> - Original Message -
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
>>>> >>>>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>>> >>>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
>>>> >>>>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[sebb]

On 11 April 2016 at 23:57, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I volunteered here because I (mis?) remembered that commons had
> decided to activate the 'univeral commit bit', so that I would already
> have commit access.

The dist repo is not the same as the commons repo; they don't even
share the same parent.

> Are you willing to add me to the group?

>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 3:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11 April 2016 at 22:56, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I'm assuming this code hasn't been moved to git, based on the lack of
>>> > discussion of same on the relevant web page.
>>> >
>>>
>>> AIUI the dist/ tree will never be moved to Git because it has so much
>>> data in it, and it's not possible to check out a part of a Git repo.
>>>
>>
>> Really? It seems like keeping the whole repo is a good idea. How much data
>> are we talking about here?
>>
>> Are we talking about a Git limit or an Apache limit?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>>
>>> I think the problem is that you are not in the Commons Unix group.
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> First Karma issue:
>>> >>
>>> >> SendingKEYS
>>> >> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
>>> >> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
>>> >> forbidden by the server
>>> >> svn: E175013: Access to
>>> >> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
>>> >> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
>>> >> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <
>>> bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And there are recent commits.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
>>> >>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
>>> >>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
>>> >>> reason not to do that?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That
>>> might
>>> >>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be
>>> a good
>>> >>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> G
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> >>>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
>>> >>>>> > enough permission.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Benson,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant
>>> you
>>> >>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the
>>> PMC.
>>> >>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>>> >>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board.
>>> That
>>> >>>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
>>> >>>>> requires PMC membership.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Mark
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> >
>

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Benson Margulies]

I volunteered here because I (mis?) remembered that commons had
decided to activate the 'univeral commit bit', so that I would already
have commit access. Are you willing to add me to the group?


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 3:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11 April 2016 at 22:56, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm assuming this code hasn't been moved to git, based on the lack of
>> > discussion of same on the relevant web page.
>> >
>>
>> AIUI the dist/ tree will never be moved to Git because it has so much
>> data in it, and it's not possible to check out a part of a Git repo.
>>
>
> Really? It seems like keeping the whole repo is a good idea. How much data
> are we talking about here?
>
> Are we talking about a Git limit or an Apache limit?
>
> Gary
>
>>
>> I think the problem is that you are not in the Commons Unix group.
>>
>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> First Karma issue:
>> >>
>> >> SendingKEYS
>> >> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
>> >> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
>> >> forbidden by the server
>> >> svn: E175013: Access to
>> >> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
>> >> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
>> >> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <
>> bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>> >>>
>> >>> And there are recent commits.
>> >>>
>> >>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
>> >>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
>> >>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
>> >>> reason not to do that?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That
>> might
>> >>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be
>> a good
>> >>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> G
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> >>>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
>> >>>>> > enough permission.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Benson,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant
>> you
>> >>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the
>> PMC.
>> >>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>> >>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board.
>> That
>> >>>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
>> >>>>> requires PMC membership.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Mark
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights
>> can
>> >>>>> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> - Original Message -
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> From: dlmar...@comc

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Gary Gregory]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 3:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11 April 2016 at 22:56, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm assuming this code hasn't been moved to git, based on the lack of
> > discussion of same on the relevant web page.
> >
>
> AIUI the dist/ tree will never be moved to Git because it has so much
> data in it, and it's not possible to check out a part of a Git repo.
>

Really? It seems like keeping the whole repo is a good idea. How much data
are we talking about here?

Are we talking about a Git limit or an Apache limit?

Gary

>
> I think the problem is that you are not in the Commons Unix group.
>
> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> First Karma issue:
> >>
> >> SendingKEYS
> >> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
> >> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
> >> forbidden by the server
> >> svn: E175013: Access to
> >> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
> >> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
> >> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <
> bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
> >>>
> >>> And there are recent commits.
> >>>
> >>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
> >>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
> >>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
> >>> reason not to do that?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That
> might
> >>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be
> a good
> >>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
> >>>>
> >>>> G
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
> >>>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
> >>>>> > enough permission.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Benson,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant
> you
> >>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the
> PMC.
> >>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
> >>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board.
> That
> >>>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
> >>>>> requires PMC membership.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights
> can
> >>>>> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> - Original Message -
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
> >>>>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> >>>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
> >>>>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA
> >>>>> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am
> wrong,
> >>>>> as I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> &

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Gary Gregory]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>
> And there are recent commits.
>
> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
> reason not to do that?
>

I do not see why not. Go for it.

Gary


>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That
> might
> > require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be a
> good
> > thing to doc on the wiki/site.
> >
> > G
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
> >> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
> >> > enough permission.
> >>
> >> Benson,
> >>
> >> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
> >>
> >> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
> >>
> >> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
> >>
> >> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant you
> >> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the PMC.
> >> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
> >> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board. That
> >> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
> >> requires PMC membership.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can
> >> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >>
> >> >> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
> >> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA
> >> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am
> wrong,
> >> as I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >>
> >> >> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
> >> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
> >> >>
> >> >> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
> >> >> had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide
> group
> >> >> of people access.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
> >> >> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >> >>> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <
> >> bimargul...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something
> >> else?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory <
> >> garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>> I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an
> RM to
> >> >>>> step
> >> >>>>> up or step back in.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Gary
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies <
> >> bimargul...@gmail.com
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[sebb]

On 11 April 2016 at 22:56, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm assuming this code hasn't been moved to git, based on the lack of
> discussion of same on the relevant web page.
>

AIUI the dist/ tree will never be moved to Git because it has so much
data in it, and it's not possible to check out a part of a Git repo.

I think the problem is that you are not in the Commons Unix group.

> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> First Karma issue:
>>
>> SendingKEYS
>> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
>> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
>> forbidden by the server
>> svn: E175013: Access to
>> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
>> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
>> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>>>
>>> And there are recent commits.
>>>
>>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
>>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
>>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
>>> reason not to do that?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That might
>>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be a good
>>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>>>>
>>>> G
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
>>>>> > enough permission.
>>>>>
>>>>> Benson,
>>>>>
>>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant you
>>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the PMC.
>>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board. That
>>>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
>>>>> requires PMC membership.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can
>>>>> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> - Original Message -
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
>>>>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA
>>>>> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong,
>>>>> as I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> - Original Message -
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
>>>>> >> had

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Benson Margulies]

I'm assuming this code hasn't been moved to git, based on the lack of
discussion of same on the relevant web page.


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First Karma issue:
>
> SendingKEYS
> Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
> svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
> forbidden by the server
> svn: E175013: Access to
> '/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
> svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
> svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>>
>> And there are recent commits.
>>
>> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
>> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
>> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
>> reason not to do that?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That might
>>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be a good
>>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
>>>> > enough permission.
>>>>
>>>> Benson,
>>>>
>>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>>>>
>>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>>>>
>>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>>>>
>>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant you
>>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the PMC.
>>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board. That
>>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
>>>> requires PMC membership.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can
>>>> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - Original Message -
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
>>>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA
>>>> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong,
>>>> as I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - Original Message -
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
>>>> >> had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group
>>>> >> of people access.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
>>>> >> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <
>>>> bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something
>>>> else?
>>&g

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Benson Margulies]

First Karma issue:

SendingKEYS
Transmitting file data .svn: E195023: Commit failed (details follow):
svn: E195023: Changing file '/Users/benson/asf/commons/KEYS' is
forbidden by the server
svn: E175013: Access to
'/repos/dist/!svn/txr/13132-b9c/release/commons/KEYS' forbidden
svn: E195023: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
svn: E195023:'/Users/benson/asf/commons/svn-commit.tmp'


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.
>
> And there are recent commits.
>
> I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
> tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
> leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
> reason not to do that?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That might
>> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be a good
>> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>>
>> G
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
>>> > enough permission.
>>>
>>> Benson,
>>>
>>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>>>
>>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>>>
>>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>>>
>>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant you
>>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the PMC.
>>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board. That
>>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
>>> requires PMC membership.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can
>>> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - Original Message -
>>> >>
>>> >> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
>>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA
>>> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong,
>>> as I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - Original Message -
>>> >>
>>> >> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>> >>
>>> >> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
>>> >> had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group
>>> >> of people access.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
>>> >> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>> >>> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <
>>> bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something
>>> else?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory <
>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to
>>> >>>> step
>>> >>>>> up or step back in.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Gary
>>> >

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Benson Margulies]

So, there's a tag for 2.5-RC3.

And there are recent commits.

I propose to move the version on trunk back to 2.5-SNAPSHOT, and then
tee up a 2.5-RC4 release from the current state of trunk, rather than
leave all the changes since the RC waiting for another day. Is there a
reason not to do that?


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That might
> require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be a good
> thing to doc on the wiki/site.
>
> G
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
>> > enough permission.
>>
>> Benson,
>>
>> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>>
>> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>>
>> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>>
>> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant you
>> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the PMC.
>> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
>> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board. That
>> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
>> requires PMC membership.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can
>> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >>
>> >> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>> >>
>> >> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA
>> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong,
>> as I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >>
>> >> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>> >>
>> >> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
>> >> had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group
>> >> of people access.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
>> >> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>> >>> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <
>> bimargul...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something
>> else?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory <
>> garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to
>> >>>> step
>> >>>>> up or step back in.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Gary
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies <
>> bimargul...@gmail.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> There are bugs marked fixed for years awaiting this release.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> -
>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org
>> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org
>> >>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate,

Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Gary Gregory]

There might be a speed bump when it is time to publish to Nexus. That might
require PMC karma. Same for copying files for pub/sub. That would be a good
thing to doc on the wiki/site.

G

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
> > Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
> > enough permission.
>
> Benson,
>
> Willing volunteers are always welcome.
>
> As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.
>
> As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.
>
> Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant you
> any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the PMC.
> That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
> (assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board. That
> said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
> requires PMC membership.
>
> Mark
>
>
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can
> be a RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >>
> >> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
> >>
> >> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA
> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong,
> as I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >>
> >> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
> >> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
> >>
> >> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
> >> had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group
> >> of people access.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
> >> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> >>> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <
> bimargul...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
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> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to
> >>>> step
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies <
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Mark Thomas]

On 11/04/2016 18:30, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
> enough permission.

Benson,

Willing volunteers are always welcome.

As an ASF committer, you already have commit to Commons.

As an ASF Member, you know what is expected.

Crack on and shout if you hit a problem. I should be able to grant you
any karma you need. The only exception is if you need to be on the PMC.
That will trigger a delay of however long it takes us to vote and
(assuming we vote yes) the 72 hours we have to wait for the board. That
said, I don't think there is anything in the release process that
requires PMC membership.

Mark


> 
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can be a 
>> RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
>> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>
>> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA 
>> permissions have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong, as 
>> I have been waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>>
>> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
>> had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group
>> of people access.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
>> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something else?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to
>>>> step
>>>>> up or step back in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are bugs marked fixed for years awaiting this release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Benson Margulies]

Well, here we are. I'm willing to help, but you'd have to give me
enough permission.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM,  <dlmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can be a 
> RM, I think additional JIRA permissions are required.
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: dlmar...@comcast.net
> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>
> I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA permissions 
> have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong, as I have been 
> waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release.
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com>
> To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?
>
> I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
> had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group
> of people access.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something else?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to
>>> step
>>> > up or step back in.
>>> >
>>> > Gary
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> There are bugs marked fixed for years awaiting this release.
>>> >>
>>> >> -
>>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org
>>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org
>>> > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>> > <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/>
>>> > JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/>
>>> > Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/>
>>> > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>>> > Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>> > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>
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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[dlmarion]

Sorry, let me re-phrase: I don't think someone with commit rights can be a RM, 
I think additional JIRA permissions are required. 


- Original Message -

From: dlmar...@comcast.net 
To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org> 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:09:14 PM 
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5? 

I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA permissions 
have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong, as I have been 
waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release. 


- Original Message - 

From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com> 
To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org> 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM 
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5? 

I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just 
had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group 
of people access. 

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman 
<ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote: 
> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC. 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> 
> wrote: 
> 
>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something else? 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> > I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to 
>> step 
>> > up or step back in. 
>> > 
>> > Gary 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com 
>> > 
>> > wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> There are bugs marked fixed for years awaiting this release. 
>> >> 
>> >> - 
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org 
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -- 
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>> > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition 
>> > <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> 
>> > JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> 
>> > Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> 
>> > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com 
>> > Home: http://garygregory.com/ 
>> > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory 
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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[dlmarion]

I don't think a non-committer can be a RM as I don't believe JIRA permissions 
have been opened up as well. Please correct me if I am wrong, as I have been 
waiting a long time for a VFS 2.1 release. 


- Original Message -

From: "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com> 
To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org> 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:48:08 PM 
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5? 

I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just 
had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group 
of people access. 

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman 
<ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote: 
> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC. 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> 
> wrote: 
> 
>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something else? 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> > I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to 
>> step 
>> > up or step back in. 
>> > 
>> > Gary 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com 
>> > 
>> > wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> There are bugs marked fixed for years awaiting this release. 
>> >> 
>> >> - 
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org 
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>> >> 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > 
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>> > Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> 
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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Benson Margulies]

I was never a member of the commons PMC, or a voted committer, I just
had commit access (I thought) due to the decision to give a wide group
of people access.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM, James Carman
 wrote:
> I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something else?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory 
>> wrote:
>> > I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to
>> step
>> > up or step back in.
>> >
>> > Gary
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> There are bugs marked fixed for years awaiting this release.
>> >>
>> >> -
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>> > 
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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[James Carman]

I don't think we take away karma, just membership to the PMC.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM Benson Margulies 
wrote:

> I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something else?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory 
> wrote:
> > I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to
> step
> > up or step back in.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> There are bugs marked fixed for years awaiting this release.
> >>
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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Benson Margulies]

I'm a member emeritus. Can I do it without being voted as something else?


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Gary Gregory  wrote:
> I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to step
> up or step back in.
>
> Gary
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies 
> wrote:
>
>> There are bugs marked fixed for years awaiting this release.
>>
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Re: Whatever happened to commons-io 2.5?

[Gary Gregory]

I think we got started and staled a while back. We just need an RM to step
up or step back in.

Gary

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Benson Margulies 
wrote:

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