Re: ApacheBookStore.com
With everything you have, of course, to consider whether the joy is worth the price. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 10:02 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: True, whether or not to pursue the exploitation of an e-commerce activity by The ASF is something that needs to analysed thoroughly regarding the fiscal and social implications. But, before such endeavour is undertaken the ASF could use the capabilities of OFBiz to showcase the books related to the works of the Apache Projects (without opening it up to take in orders). This could assist (in a unified way) in branding the products of the Apache projects. And this can be done by (delegated to) any interested contributor within any project. And thereby achieving that the list of books is more up to date than it is today. What we have encouraged in the past is for people/companies to set up their own stores and welcomed any donations that they wished to make back to the Foundation from profits. We've never really entertained the notion of an official store. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
On 10/14/2014 10:55 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: With everything you have, of course, to consider whether the joy is worth the price. Presumably that's up to the people that want to run the store! :-) Mostly, I just wanted to be able to update the grossly outdated content on that site, when I started this thread. Alas, I'm still not getting a response from anyone that can actually do this. --Rich Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 10:02 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: True, whether or not to pursue the exploitation of an e-commerce activity by The ASF is something that needs to analysed thoroughly regarding the fiscal and social implications. But, before such endeavour is undertaken the ASF could use the capabilities of OFBiz to showcase the books related to the works of the Apache Projects (without opening it up to take in orders). This could assist (in a unified way) in branding the products of the Apache projects. And this can be done by (delegated to) any interested contributor within any project. And thereby achieving that the list of books is more up to date than it is today. What we have encouraged in the past is for people/companies to set up their own stores and welcomed any donations that they wished to make back to the Foundation from profits. We've never really entertained the notion of an official store. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
On 10/10/2014 12:07 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: Rich, Why not consider the eCommerce solution of the Apache OFBiz project as a replacement for the wiki page? That could be cool - you mean, selling books directly and giving profits to the ASF? How would we handle shipping/inventory? Anyways, I haven't heard back from anyone that handles that site, and I don't have the cycles to pursue it, but it sounds like a good thing to try to do, if someone wanted to take that project. --Rich Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:21 PM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: 2014-10-06 17:13 GMT+04:00 Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com: Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? On the front page: 1. ASF Committers may add new items to our inventory or edit the item descriptions. - contact e-mail address 2. Last line on the front page: Contact Administrators - http://www.apachebookstore.com/confluence/oss/administrators.action An interesting effort, but the site looks somewhat outdated and unmaintained. The latest listed books are from year 2008. Thanks. I totally missed those. Yes, it's completely unmaintained, and we have several project websites that link to it. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
On 13 October 2014 16:30, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Rich, How about drop shipments directly from the publishing party, if they can handle that? That way no inventory would be required. With OFBiz The ASF can take the ordersin (not only for books, but also promotion stuff like t-shirts, banners, buttons, etc), accept the payment (credit card, etc) and send the supply order to the party handling the drop shipments. Technically I am sure OFBiz can handle it, but how does this work with our non-profit status, I am not sure we can freely sell goods without paying taxes. rgds jan I. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 10/10/2014 12:07 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: Rich, Why not consider the eCommerce solution of the Apache OFBiz project as a replacement for the wiki page? That could be cool - you mean, selling books directly and giving profits to the ASF? How would we handle shipping/inventory? Anyways, I haven't heard back from anyone that handles that site, and I don't have the cycles to pursue it, but it sounds like a good thing to try to do, if someone wanted to take that project. --Rich Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:21 PM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: 2014-10-06 17:13 GMT+04:00 Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com: Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? On the front page: 1. ASF Committers may add new items to our inventory or edit the item descriptions. - contact e-mail address 2. Last line on the front page: Contact Administrators - http://www.apachebookstore.com/confluence/oss/administrators.action An interesting effort, but the site looks somewhat outdated and unmaintained. The latest listed books are from year 2008. Thanks. I totally missed those. Yes, it's completely unmaintained, and we have several project websites that link to it. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:27 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 13 October 2014 16:30, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Rich, How about drop shipments directly from the publishing party, if they can handle that? That way no inventory would be required. With OFBiz The ASF can take the ordersin (not only for books, but also promotion stuff like t-shirts, banners, buttons, etc), accept the payment (credit card, etc) and send the supply order to the party handling the drop shipments. Technically I am sure OFBiz can handle it, but how does this work with our non-profit status, I am not sure we can freely sell goods without paying taxes. The ASF will absolutely have to pay taxes and the rules will vary for every city in the US (not to mention every other jurisdiction in the world). Expecting that Apache has the resources to actually run a full-scale e-commerce business with reasonable tax and PCI compliance is absolutely nuts (in my oh so very humble opinion based on having built 2 substantial consumer businesses and been very involved in 2 major anti-fraud companies). Volunteer staffing for any significant e-commerce effort is simply not sufficient.
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
True, whether or not to pursue the exploitation of an e-commerce activity by The ASF is something that needs to analysed thoroughly regarding the fiscal and social implications. But, before such endeavour is undertaken the ASF could use the capabilities of OFBiz to showcase the books related to the works of the Apache Projects (without opening it up to take in orders). This could assist (in a unified way) in branding the products of the Apache projects. And this can be done by (delegated to) any interested contributor within any project. And thereby achieving that the list of books is more up to date than it is today. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:27 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 13 October 2014 16:30, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Rich, How about drop shipments directly from the publishing party, if they can handle that? That way no inventory would be required. With OFBiz The ASF can take the ordersin (not only for books, but also promotion stuff like t-shirts, banners, buttons, etc), accept the payment (credit card, etc) and send the supply order to the party handling the drop shipments. Technically I am sure OFBiz can handle it, but how does this work with our non-profit status, I am not sure we can freely sell goods without paying taxes. The ASF will absolutely have to pay taxes and the rules will vary for every city in the US (not to mention every other jurisdiction in the world). Expecting that Apache has the resources to actually run a full-scale e-commerce business with reasonable tax and PCI compliance is absolutely nuts (in my oh so very humble opinion based on having built 2 substantial consumer businesses and been very involved in 2 major anti-fraud companies). Volunteer staffing for any significant e-commerce effort is simply not sufficient.
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
And if not, at least show OFBiz books, if the ApacheBookStore gets updated We have some in the learning section at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books#OFBizRelatedBooks-Learning As mentioned there, those sold by /Packt pay a percentage of the sales back to the ASF/ (I checked that some years ago) I tried to update the ApacheBookStore but I have no access with my Confluence credential Jacques Le 10/10/2014 12:07, Pierre Smits a écrit : Rich, Why not consider the eCommerce solution of the Apache OFBiz project as a replacement for the wiki page? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:21 PM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: 2014-10-06 17:13 GMT+04:00 Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com: Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? On the front page: 1. ASF Committers may add new items to our inventory or edit the item descriptions. - contact e-mail address 2. Last line on the front page: Contact Administrators - http://www.apachebookstore.com/confluence/oss/administrators.action An interesting effort, but the site looks somewhat outdated and unmaintained. The latest listed books are from year 2008. Thanks. I totally missed those. Yes, it's completely unmaintained, and we have several project websites that link to it. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
Rich, Why not consider the eCommerce solution of the Apache OFBiz project as a replacement for the wiki page? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:21 PM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: 2014-10-06 17:13 GMT+04:00 Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com: Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? On the front page: 1. ASF Committers may add new items to our inventory or edit the item descriptions. - contact e-mail address 2. Last line on the front page: Contact Administrators - http://www.apachebookstore.com/confluence/oss/administrators.action An interesting effort, but the site looks somewhat outdated and unmaintained. The latest listed books are from year 2008. Thanks. I totally missed those. Yes, it's completely unmaintained, and we have several project websites that link to it. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
ApacheBookStore.com
Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? --Rich -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com?... I suppose you noticed that Added by and last edited by on the front page point to familiar names? -Bertrand
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
On 10/06/2014 02:55 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com?... I suppose you noticed that Added by and last edited by on the front page point to familiar names? I did, but the signup page has a broken CAPTCHA style security thingy, and so I can't register to make edits. So I was looking for the person who can fix it for me. I didn't assume that all of the editors were the folks in charge. Perhaps they are. I'll ask them. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
2014-10-06 17:13 GMT+04:00 Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com: Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? On the front page: 1. ASF Committers may add new items to our inventory or edit the item descriptions. - contact e-mail address 2. Last line on the front page: Contact Administrators - http://www.apachebookstore.com/confluence/oss/administrators.action An interesting effort, but the site looks somewhat outdated and unmaintained. The latest listed books are from year 2008. Best regards, Konstantin Kolinko
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
On 10/06/2014 04:21 PM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: 2014-10-06 17:13 GMT+04:00 Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com: Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? On the front page: 1. ASF Committers may add new items to our inventory or edit the item descriptions. - contact e-mail address 2. Last line on the front page: Contact Administrators - http://www.apachebookstore.com/confluence/oss/administrators.action An interesting effort, but the site looks somewhat outdated and unmaintained. The latest listed books are from year 2008. Thanks. I totally missed those. Yes, it's completely unmaintained, and we have several project websites that link to it. -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
