RE: Windows Phone Screen resolution

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

I'm building for Windows 8.1 (using VS 2015 TACO)

The appmanifest is generated by VS. Looking in the platforms folder I can find 
the appmanifest, but it says nothing about screen resolutions (see below).

Since I'm not defining a resolution I would have expected it to work with all 
resolutions, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I've opened up the appx and 
looked at the various meta-data files and still see nothing about screen 
resolution.

Perhaps this is nothing to do with Cordova and actually about the way the 
Windows store decides on support resolutions?

Ross


-Original Message-
From: Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) [mailto:panar...@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 6:14 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: RE: Windows Phone Screen resolution

Are you building this for Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 ? These are specified in the 
appmanifest. 

-Original Message-
From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) [mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 6:01 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Windows Phone Screen resolution

I'm trying to submit my first Cordova app to the Windows Phone store. One of 
the problems I'm getting is that the resulting application requires a limited 
set of resolutions (WVGA, 720P, WXGA). According to the Windows Store Dashboard 
this information is pulled from the package details I uploaded.

I don't see anything in my config about resolutions. How are these resolutions 
determined?

Ross

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Windows Phone Screen resolution

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

I'm trying to submit my first Cordova app to the Windows Phone store. One of 
the problems I'm getting is that the resulting application requires a limited 
set of resolutions (WVGA, 720P, WXGA). According to the Windows Store Dashboard 
this information is pulled from the package details I uploaded.

I don't see anything in my config about resolutions. How are these resolutions 
determined?

Ross

RE: Github, again.

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

Those conversations have been had. GitHub won't open the logs (and we can't 
expect them to given the privacy implications). Feel free to discuss again if 
you like - things may have changed.

GitHub enterprise is not free. My comment about cost was from memory, I've 
asked David to remind me of the details.

Ross

-Original Message-
From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian 
LeRoux
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:17 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Github, again.

being donated my guess the cost was installation and maintenance? anyhow, now 
that the goal posts have been moved to logs I'm fairly certain they'd open 
those to us as well (I'll find out)

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Yes we have discussed this. The cost is prohibitive. David Nalley as 
> VP Infra has the details.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> 
> From: Brian LeRoux<mailto:b...@brian.io>
> Sent: ‎4/‎10/‎2015 8:53 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Github, again.
>
> And actually, a colleague recalled we talked about on prem w github 
> entp too. Which totally addresses the issue. It was shot down of 
> course despite github offering to donate to apache.
>
> Now maybe this is possible?
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015, 8:16 AM Brian LeRoux  wrote:
>
> > I said as much Jim. As to FUD...
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015, 6:18 AM Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, during the long discussion regarding Groovy moving to the 
> >> ASF, the whole "what's wrong w/ Github" was brought up several 
> >> times, and answered several times (as I was almost sure it was done 
> >> here)... In any case, the following is a typical response to why 
> >> Github cannot be canon:
> >>
> >> 
> >> http://groovy.329449.n5.nabble.com/Moving-Groovy-to-a-Founda
> >> tion-tp5722483p5722847.html
> >>
> >> Since IP provenance is important, I'm sure we all understand this 
> >> issue now, and this FUD can finally die.
> >>
> >> > On Apr 9, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Brian LeRoux  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It is the current interpretation of policy wrt providence of the 
> >> > IP
> >> (code).
> >> > Github could go bankrupt/exit to Oracle and disappear (ala Google
> Code)
> >> or
> >> > worse go rogue and sneak patent violations into our code.
> >> >
> >> > I'll leave the likelyhood of these scare scenarios to you noting 
> >> > that
> >> most
> >> > brands appear to feel this risk is low.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015, 5:22 PM Gorkem Ercan 
> >> > 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 9 Apr 2015, at 15:38, Andrew Grieve wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Apache provides a lot of benefit. I don't want elaborate right 
> >> >>> now, but I will promise to post back with some formulated 
> >> >>> thoughts a bit later (some of this I'm prepping for my 
> >> >>> ApacheCon talk, so I need to do it anyways).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Joe - Please please *please* do not write emails that are not 
> >> >>> constructive.
> >> >>> If you want to be negative, don't hit the send button. If not 
> >> >>> for
> the
> >> >>> sake
> >> >>> of others, for the sake of yourself - saying negative things 
> >> >>> about others almost always ends up making you look worse than 
> >> >>> those you are being negative towards.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Another angle:
> >> >>> Even if you are convinced that you're right, and even though 
> >> >>> your views are your own (although statements like "Or we could 
> >> >>> just leave the ASF"
> >> >>> make it
> >> >>> sound like you are representing more than that), your tone 
> >> >>> often
> just
> >> >>> makes
> >> >>> people want to run away rather than engage. Would you want to 
> >> >>> contribute to a project that is full of smileys and 
> >> >>> encouragement, or one where people are negative and abrasive? 
> >> >>> It really goes a long way to ke

RE: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

Firstly, don't call someone a liar simply because you disagree, it is offensive 
and exactly the kind of behavior I am referring to (and why *I* dread ever 
posting to this list, shame that question wasn't in the Stack Overflow survey).

I repeat again, if you believe a Member (outside or inside this community) then 
you are wrong. The ASF is about merit and people earn merit through 
contribution. If you want to influence ASF policy then contribute *to* it 
rather than complain *about* it. 

Finally, consider this... I've had a number of off list "thank you" responses 
to my earlier mail and other similar mails in the past. I always ask those 
individuals to post publicly but most never do. I don't embarrass people by 
asking why not, but I do invite members of this community to consider why there 
is a silent majority and a noisy minority. Then re-read my first sentence above.

Ross


-Original Message-
From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 9:28 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:13 AM Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:

>
> There are no "powers that be". Bring a member brings no additional 
> influence. What matters around here is constructive contributions and 
> participation.
>
>
That's a lie that we've seen played out numerous times.  There are clearly 
people who bully people in project to fall into line. We've had to fight the 
ASF every single time we wanted to do anything with this project, and I'm 
expecting us to fight the ASF again until we eventually leave.


> To be constructive one needs to understand why things are the way they 
> are and, if they don't fit, one needs to work with people to propose 
> changes that work.
>
>
Or we could just leave the ASF and find a different foundation whose rules 
aren't as rigid.  That could work too.


> Historically this project has had real difficulty doing just that. 
> Instead it has focused on negativity and mud slinging (there are some 
> individuals who certainly do not fit into this category, but their 
> voices are usually drowned out.
>
>
I'm very proud of my record of fighting the ASF.  I regret that we donated the 
PhoneGap code to Cordova, since "The Apache Way" has been complained about so 
many times by our community members who have followed us since we started this 
thing.  However, we're stuck here now, and the people who feel like working 
with the ASF are doing so.  You're never going to convince everyone our 
community that the ASF is a good thing, especially since your organization has 
been passively aggressively attacking various parts of the JS community for 
years.  Honestly, I think it's a miracle that we haven't forked yet.

Joe

Ross
>
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> 
> From: Carlos Santana<mailto:csantan...@gmail.com>
> Sent: ‎4/‎9/‎2015 9:00 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
>
> Joe,
>   Well I want to try again and see if we can get what we want, while 
> at the same time without being punched in the face :-)
>
> Marcel,
>I know you got appointed in Apache Foundation recently can you talk 
> to Apache/Infra guys and try with the fury of a million cordova 
> developers to see if what is the possibility to use github with the 
> understanding that there is backup, syncing, and archiving in place like I 
> layout in my email?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Joe Bowser  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:55 AM Carlos Santana 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > One small thing would be to go FULL usage of Github.
> > > We already have folks go there to submit PR anyway.
> > >
> > > 1. Use Github Issues
> > > Have folks use Github issues as the easiest and preferred way 
> > > Backup/Archive  data on Apache using github web hooks to create 
> > > corresponding jira items, and sync comments. we already doing this 
> > > with mentions of jira CB-.
> > >
> > >
> > I don't know if this is allowed.  The powers that be at Apache hate
> GitHub
> > with the fury of a thousand suns.  We already have enough problems 
> > just getting our code to be reflected on GitHub.  I would love to 
> > dump JIRA
> and
> > go back to GitHub issues, and I feel that the move to the Apache 
> > infrastructure seriously hurt the project and made it less 
> > accessible to our users and anyone who isn't an Apache neckbeard.
> >
> &g

RE: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

How about the community insist on a positive and constructive tone rather than 
this inflammatory and miss-informed rhetoric.

There are no "powers that be". Bring a member brings no additional influence. 
What matters around here is constructive contributions and participation.

To be constructive one needs to understand why things are the way they are and, 
if they don't fit, one needs to work with people to propose changes that work.

Historically this project has had real difficulty doing just that. Instead it 
has focused on negativity and mud slinging (there are some individuals who 
certainly do not fit into this category, but their voices are usually drowned 
out.

Ross


Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Carlos Santana
Sent: ‎4/‎9/‎2015 9:00 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

Joe,
  Well I want to try again and see if we can get what we want, while at the
same time without being punched in the face :-)

Marcel,
   I know you got appointed in Apache Foundation recently can you talk to
Apache/Infra guys and try with the fury of a million cordova developers to
see if what is the possibility to use github with the understanding that
there is backup, syncing, and archiving in place like I layout in my email?



On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Joe Bowser  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:55 AM Carlos Santana 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > One small thing would be to go FULL usage of Github.
> > We already have folks go there to submit PR anyway.
> >
> > 1. Use Github Issues
> > Have folks use Github issues as the easiest and preferred way
> > Backup/Archive  data on Apache using github web hooks to create
> > corresponding jira items, and sync comments. we already doing this with
> > mentions of jira CB-.
> >
> >
> I don't know if this is allowed.  The powers that be at Apache hate GitHub
> with the fury of a thousand suns.  We already have enough problems just
> getting our code to be reflected on GitHub.  I would love to dump JIRA and
> go back to GitHub issues, and I feel that the move to the Apache
> infrastructure seriously hurt the project and made it less accessible to
> our users and anyone who isn't an Apache neckbeard.
>
>
> >
> > Also what about if cordova decides to move out from Apache Foundation, to
> > another open source Foundation? That should not affect the community they
> > should still continue to interface in Github.
> >
> >
> Sadly, since we're not allowed to use GitHub this way, us leaving the ASF
> would be welcomed by our users because we'd be allowed to use GitHub for
> everything again like when Nitobi existed.  One thing that I think we don't
> communicate well enough is how much we hate the ASF policies and how these
> stupid policies hurt our users.  If I thought that the ASF cared about such
> a thing, I would suggest that we communicate this more clearly.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Stef 
> wrote:
> >
> > > As a survey it's always biased.
> > >
> > > I've used Cordova since a long time before the 1.x. The problem is
> > clearly
> > > not about Cordova, but most developers don't understand this. They
> think
> > > Cordova is like "build an awesome application in 21 days".
> > > Clearly most of these guys don't know Javascript, the mobile web nor
> > > anything relative to the mobile.
> > >
> > > There are really a lots of shitty mobile applications and most of them
> > are
> > > native :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stéphane Bachelier,
> > > Tél. 06 42 24 48 09
> > > B8A5 2007 0004 CDE4 5210  2317 B58A 335B B5A4 BFC2
> > >
> > > 2015-04-09 9:35 GMT+02:00 José-Luc Voltaire <
> > > jose-luc.volta...@netdevices.fr
> > > >:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am a developper and I use Cordova.
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to say that even thought we don't know all the details
> > > about
> > > > how it works under the hood, we have, at least, an idea of the work
> > done
> > > > and appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > I try to understand how the tools I use work and I don't think I am
> the
> > > > only one.
> > > >
> > > > I'm agree with Tyler and I think mobile web apps can be as good as
> > native
> > > > ones, it requires a lot of work, and that's what I try to do for the
> > > apps I
> > > > work on!
> > > >
> > > > Again, Thank you for your work, we appreciate!
> > > >
> > > > 2015-04-08 22:12 GMT+02:00 Tyler Freeman :
> > > >
> > > > > I think what colors people's perception the most is the graphics
> and
> > > > > interaction performance of JS vs Native. Here's a few possible
> > reasons:
> > > > >
> > > > > * They are basing their bias off Phonegap apps they saw 3 years
> ago.
> > > Even
> > > > > though it's improved so much since then, those first apps still
> hang
> > in
> > > > > people's minds.
> > > > >
> > > > > * Developers are not trying hard enough for that smooth, buttery
> > > > > animations. It i

RE: ApacheCon NA, Austin, April 13-16

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

We are organizing a Cordova BoF on Tue evening and there will be a dedicated 
table in the hack room for Cordova.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Andrew Grieve<mailto:agri...@chromium.org>
Sent: ‎4/‎2/‎2015 5:37 PM
To: dev<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: ApacheCon NA, Austin, April 13-16

Can't speak for everyone obviously, but looking at the schedule I'd be
happy to miss Tuesday afternoon or any of Wednesday in favour of a Cordova
coding session / social time.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Homer, Tony  wrote:

> I hadn¹t been planning on attending ApacheCon, but I just found out that I
> need to go to Austin in April!
> Currently I am scheduled to be there April 21-22, but I might be able to
> bump that up a week.
> Would it be worth it to be in Austin during ApacheCon even if I am not
> able to actually attend ApacheCon?
>
> Tony
>
> On 3/24/15, 1:51 PM, "Victor Sosa"  wrote:
>
> >Welcome aboard!!
> >
> >2015-03-24 11:47 GMT-06:00 Andrew Grieve :
> >
> >> Woohoo! Glad to hear more are coming!
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
> >> ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Some of my day job colleagues have signed up to organize both a BoF
> >>and a
> >> > hack season (not me, although I will be there). The focus will be
> >>rolling
> >> > and getting started. Brian has agreed to help out and there are a
> >>couple
> >> of
> >> > other folks with tooling expertise signed up.
> >> >
> >> > I confirmed room availability yesterday, so it would be great if this
> >> > group can help out and spread the word.
> >> >
> >> > Ross
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my Windows Phone
> >> > 
> >> > From: Brian LeRoux<mailto:b...@brian.io>
> >> > Sent: 3/21/2015 7:48 AM
> >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: ApacheCon NA, Austin, April 13-16
> >> >
> >> > I am!
> >> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:13 PM Nikhil Khandelwal <
> >> nikhi...@microsoft.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I'll be there. It would be great to meet others who are going.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Nikhil
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -Original Message-
> >> > > From: Anis KADRI [mailto:anis.ka...@gmail.com]
> >> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:04 PM
> >> > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: ApacheCon NA, Austin, April 13-16
> >> > >
> >> > > Reviving this thread. Other than Andrew, Mark and Hazem. Anybody
> >>else
> >> > > going ? I plan to attend.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Andrew Grieve
> >>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Submitted a talk proposal:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Abstract:
> >> > > > The Cordova project can sometimes be hard to contribute to given
> >>the
> >> > > > large number of pieces that make it up. There are a few tools that
> >> > > > make it much more manageable though. In this session, Andrew will
> >> > > > cover many of the tools and techniques that make developing on
> >> Cordova
> >> > > > a more coherent experience.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Going to cover git workflow, coho commands, --link and IDEs, CIs,
> >> > > > Testing via windows VM.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Joe Bowser 
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Is this a troll post?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015, 8:21 AM Andrew Grieve
> >>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org//events/apachecon-north-
> >> > > > > > america/program/cfp
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Last year we had about a days worth of Cordova talks and ran a
> >> > > > hackathon
> >> > > > > > (tha

RE: ApacheCon NA, Austin, April 13-16

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

Some of my day job colleagues have signed up to organize both a BoF and a hack 
season (not me, although I will be there). The focus will be rolling and 
getting started. Brian has agreed to help out and there are a couple of other 
folks with tooling expertise signed up.

I confirmed room availability yesterday, so it would be great if this group can 
help out and spread the word.

Ross

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Brian LeRoux
Sent: ‎3/‎21/‎2015 7:48 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: ApacheCon NA, Austin, April 13-16

I am!
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:13 PM Nikhil Khandelwal 
wrote:

> I'll be there. It would be great to meet others who are going.
>
> Thanks,
> Nikhil
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anis KADRI [mailto:anis.ka...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:04 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ApacheCon NA, Austin, April 13-16
>
> Reviving this thread. Other than Andrew, Mark and Hazem. Anybody else
> going ? I plan to attend.
>
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Andrew Grieve 
> wrote:
>
> > Submitted a talk proposal:
> >
> > Abstract:
> > The Cordova project can sometimes be hard to contribute to given the
> > large number of pieces that make it up. There are a few tools that
> > make it much more manageable though. In this session, Andrew will
> > cover many of the tools and techniques that make developing on Cordova
> > a more coherent experience.
> >
> >
> > Going to cover git workflow, coho commands, --link and IDEs, CIs,
> > Testing via windows VM.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Joe Bowser  wrote:
> >
> > > Is this a troll post?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015, 8:21 AM Andrew Grieve 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org//events/apachecon-north-
> > > > america/program/cfp
> > > >
> > > > Last year we had about a days worth of Cordova talks and ran a
> > hackathon
> > > > (thanks to IBM)! For me, the real value was in learning more about
> > > Apache,
> > > > and getting to spend time with other committers.
> > > >
> > > > So... I still think it'd be good to do a few presentations. CFP is
> > > > open until the end of the month. Audience is mostly enterprise
> > > > types, Apache committers, and of course, ourselves. Talks on
> > > > Cordova or on Apache processes would be good (e.g. a talk on
> > > > setting up github PRs with
> > > Travis &
> > > > AppVeyor, hint hint).
> > > >
> > > > Even more though, I think we should take the opportunity to do
> > > > some
> > work
> > > > while co-located. There's always a lot of value in face time, and
> > > > I
> > think
> > > > the venue suits it well (there were lots of hackathon-type rooms
> > > > available).
> > > >
> > > > So, concretely - anyone want to state their intention of giving a
> > > > talk,
> > > or
> > > > attending? I know at least a few of us from Google are planning on
> > going.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>