Re: Adding Telemetry information to Cordova

[Tammo Schimanski]

I think the same, this could be very useful. But we have to think about the 
things terence already mentioned. These are three very big points for data 
collection and they have to be 100% clear before we get started with this. I 
think that we don’t need to collect user identifiable information, or have i 
overlooked something?

Data that could be collected: 

- Cellphone manufacturer
- Display Size / Resolution
- OS with Version
- Used Browser-Engine with Version

To the point „would it be optional“: For who should it be optional? For „us“, 
the developers, or for the users who are using the application? In my opinion 
this has to be optional because not everyone is able to understand what he is 
doing. If we activate this by default and someone develops an application but 
is missing the legal part inside his data protection regulation, he can get big 
problems with the german law as far as i understood the whole thing correct. 

+1 for this! :-)
> Am 03.11.2015 um 20:42 schrieb Terence M. Bandoian :
> 
> Could be useful.  What exactly would be collected?  Would it be optional?  
> Any user identifiable information?
> 
> -Terence Bandoian
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2015 2:31 AM, julio cesar sanchez wrote:
>> I think it's a good idea to add it and it will help understand how people
>> use cordova and find common problems that they might have
>> 
>> 2015-11-02 23:13 GMT+01:00 Parashuram N :
>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> One of the action items from the face to face meeting was about adding the
>>> ability to the Cordova CLI to collect telemetry data. Folks said that they
>>> were not sure if Apache had any policies against it. I checked with
>>> legal-disc...@apache.org (and included
>>> the PMC in the mail) and looks like they don't have any policies for or
>>> against it.
>>> In terms of prior art, Looks like the Apache Flex project is already
>>> collecting limited telemetry, and CloudStack folks are thinking about it.
>>> 
>>> Now that we know that Apache is not totally against collecting telemetry
>>> data, what do you guys think about it? Are there folks in the community who
>>> are totally against adding any kind of telemetry to Cordova ? If yes, can
>>> we discuss those concerns in this thread ?
>>> Also, are there folks who think this is a good idea ? If yes, please raise
>>> those points too.
>>> 
> 
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[Tammo Schimanski]

Hey Guys,
i just want to let you know that i got an apple tv dev kit from apple just 3 
weeks ago. If someone needs to test something or need some information, please 
let me know.

Greetings from Germany,
Tammo
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Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

[Tammo Schimanski]

Hey Tim and thanks for your reply!

I already looked for flights but i think it’s a bit too short now. Flights from 
here to america are at about 800€ ( approx. 900$) + a cheap Hotel and i’m over 
1.000$ which is unfortunately to expensive for me. Being a member of this 
e-mail list now helps me a lot to understand whats happening in the background.

If there is a small summary from the face 2 face meeting, i would be happy to 
get that. 

Nice Weekend for you all!

Tammo
   



Am [DATE] schrieb Tim Barham [ADDRESS]:

Thanks for this info, Tammo - this is all great stuff, and it sounds like the 
German Cordova community owes you a lot! I have a couple of comments:

1. In the Cordova community (or any Apache community), nobody should consider 
themselves a small person :). Individual contributions are what Apache 
projects are all about (or should be). While some of us might have 
microsoft.com or intel.com or adobe.com email addresses, in the long run our 
contributions are no more important than anybody else's (we just have the good 
fortune of doing it for our day job :) ). 

2. I know this was already mentioned by Julio, but it seems to me you would 
definitely be welcome at the face 2 face meeting if you felt it might be of 
benefit. It sounds to me like it would be a great opportunity if you could 
make it.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Tammo Schimanski [mailto:tammo.schiman...@cordova.de] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 8:17 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

Hello to all of you from Germany,
i never wrote an e-mail to this list before but i want to tell you something 
about the situation over here.

I started developing applications with Cordova two years ago. It wasn’t easy 
to understand how Cordova works and how it has to be used. The docs didn’t 
help me enough so that i had to spend many hours in watching video tutorials 
on youtube and read many articles about the cordova workflow.

After i developed applications for over a year, i decided to found a german 
community which helps users who feel like i felt a year ago. At the End of 
2014 i wrote e-mails to apache, registered domains and invested many hours in 
research and writing tutorials, blog articles and so on. Down to the present 
day the main Tutorials (iOS  Android) were viewed over 40.000 times. We have 
about 800 visits a day and are helping all people with their questions inside 
the board. Stackoverflow is also a great way to help people but not all german 
developers are able to ask a question in english (although you might thought 
that they are).

My target ever was to help people who are sitting in front of their computers 
and thinking „hey… why aren’t you working cordova“ or „why doesn’t it work 
like expected“? In spring 2015 my colleague and i decided to make all a bit 
more professional. We weren’t satisfied by the website because all was a bit 
heavy to find (Tutorials etc.) and it was not state of the art. Again: E-Mails 
to apache, registered a new domain and now we’re starting a big project under 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.cordova.dedata=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=DWV2Gp%2btg2ekG6MvC1Ra9IMfFh3ceDWQUwjrRFAjaXM%3d
 (first look for you: 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.cordova.de%2fdevdata=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=AX4broDgZmgkyx6ljiVci1OTd%2fMRkZXM7KqK3ECA%2bzc%3d).
 I had to rewrite all tutorials, because its still our aim to make it 
understandable and clear for everyone! Till now we spent already over 250 
hours together for the new project - but it is no problem: We love cordova! 
The Project will start at the end of September this year. Cordova is a 
possibility for companys creating a new branch. Every websitedeveloper is able 
to develop applications with Cordova - but not every Developer knows this. We 
want to spread cordova to every developer inside Germany!

So yes, why am i writing you this all? I think, in comparison to you i’m a 
small person. If i see all the people here getting e-mails to 
@https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=microsoft.comdata=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=TkAyBoWRDD87phXTuwk5Ut4kRD1pf9yEqaKc0OoZ2Rs%3d,
 
@https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=intel.comdata=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1sdata=3ZP1F9eBjoU68%2bRDamnegwZ3kszlp%2baOveRcsDlyIVI%3d
 and so on…yes, i’m a small person. I just want to let you know, that if we 
can do anything from the other side of the big pond: Please let us know - 
we’re here, waiting for your instructions :-). 

I don’t know if this „Cordova face

Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

[Tammo Schimanski]

Hello to all of you from Germany,
i never wrote an e-mail to this list before but i want to tell you something 
about the situation over here.

I started developing applications with Cordova two years ago. It wasn’t easy to 
understand how Cordova works and how it has to be used. The docs didn’t help me 
enough so that i had to spend many hours in watching video tutorials on youtube 
and read many articles about the cordova workflow.

After i developed applications for over a year, i decided to found a german 
community which helps users who feel like i felt a year ago. At the End of 2014 
i wrote e-mails to apache, registered domains and invested many hours in 
research and writing tutorials, blog articles and so on. Down to the present 
day the main Tutorials (iOS  Android) were viewed over 40.000 times. We have 
about 800 visits a day and are helping all people with their questions inside 
the board. Stackoverflow is also a great way to help people but not all german 
developers are able to ask a question in english (although you might thought 
that they are).

My target ever was to help people who are sitting in front of their computers 
and thinking „hey… why aren’t you working cordova“ or „why doesn’t it work like 
expected“? In spring 2015 my colleague and i decided to make all a bit more 
professional. We weren’t satisfied by the website because all was a bit heavy 
to find (Tutorials etc.) and it was not state of the art. Again: E-Mails to 
apache, registered a new domain and now we’re starting a big project under 
www.cordova.de (first look for you: www.cordova.de/dev). I had to rewrite all 
tutorials, because its still our aim to make it understandable and clear for 
everyone! Till now we spent already over 250 hours together for the new project 
- but it is no problem: We love cordova! The Project will start at the end of 
September this year. Cordova is a possibility for companys creating a new 
branch. Every websitedeveloper is able to develop applications with Cordova - 
but not every Developer knows this. We want to spread cordova to every 
developer inside Germany!

So yes, why am i writing you this all? I think, in comparison to you i’m a 
small person. If i see all the people here getting e-mails to @microsoft.com, 
@intel.com and so on…yes, i’m a small person. I just want to let you know, that 
if we can do anything from the other side of the big pond: Please let us know - 
we’re here, waiting for your instructions :-). 

I don’t know if this „Cordova face to face meeting“ is open for all but my 
colleague and i thought about coming to that meeting. Only because we’re 
interested into getting a deeper look into things and because we both want to 
get better and better. The better we get, the better we can help the users in 
understanding cordova. 

Belonging to the topic, Stackoverflow, frustration etc. - i understand Jesse 
Monroy. A big problem is that in many cases you just can post links „look here“ 
„read this“ etc. and if you give a detailed answer, you’ll never hear something 
again from that user like „worked for me“ or „no this doesn’t work“. Thats why 
we also created a „first steps in cordova“ guide on our new website in which 
all mistakes which can be done are explained.

Okay so… at least, sorry if something is unclear or understandable. I hope that 
it was at least a little bit interesting for you to get some feedback from 
Germany.

Greetings from
Tammo Schimanski


E-Mail: tammo.schiman...@cordova.de
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Am [DATE] schrieb julio cesar sanchez [ADDRESS]:

I would like to bring this topic back because I've seen two things recently
that worried me

First one on the google group Frustration in the forum
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/phonegap/D7ydf_hNq-w

Second one, increasing number of unanswered questions on stackoverflow
(from http://stackoverflow.com/tags/cordova/topusers)

cordova Questions
259Last 7 Days   79.9% unanswered
1,172 Last 30 Days 75.7% unanswered
37,119   All Time 46.4% unanswered


I think it's related with the Frustration in the forum, a lot of
questions are from newbiews and low quality so nobody answer them (not sure
if this happens with other tags or just with cordova)


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Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

[Tammo Schimanski]

Hey Julio,
I already did some translation via Crowdin. For Plugins as also for the main 
files. But unfortunately i also don’t have enough time to do the translation 
for all plugins and the main files. :-/

Just had a look onto the prices for flights… i think, i can’t come, thats realy 
to expensive. 

The german documentation is very bad. It is not only bad translated, it is so 
bad that you’re sometimes are not able to understand what is meant. Maybe i can 
invest some hours at the next weekend to do some translation again.

It feels good to have contact to other people who are also interested in 
helping new users :-) 

Greetings from Germany,
Tammo



Am [DATE] schrieb julio cesar sanchez [ADDRESS]:

Hi Tammo, great iniciative!

I tried to do the same for spanish speakers, but I rarely have time to
write tutorials.

not all german developers are able to ask a question in english (although
you might thought that they are).

Yeah, on Spain we are told that ALL other european contries speak english
well because they learn since childhood.

Have you checked the german documentation? is it good? maybe you can
contribute with the translation


About the face 2 face meeting, this was mentioned on that thread:

Also, just to be clear, we are not explicitly limiting this to committers
- anyone interested in the development of the project is welcome. However,
I am guessing that we will not be talking basics of Cordova, so this may
not be a meeting to learn about Cordova or how to use it.

So, you have to judge yourself if it can be of your interest.


P.S: I'm a small person too, but we all can contribute.




2015-08-28 12:17 GMT+02:00 Tammo Schimanski tammo.schiman...@cordova.de:

 Hello to all of you from Germany,
 i never wrote an e-mail to this list before but i want to tell you
 something about the situation over here.

 I started developing applications with Cordova two years ago. It wasn’t
 easy to understand how Cordova works and how it has to be used. The docs
 didn’t help me enough so that i had to spend many hours in watching video
 tutorials on youtube and read many articles about the cordova workflow.

 After i developed applications for over a year, i decided to found a
 german community which helps users who feel like i felt a year ago. At the
 End of 2014 i wrote e-mails to apache, registered domains and invested many
 hours in research and writing tutorials, blog articles and so on. Down to
 the present day the main Tutorials (iOS  Android) were viewed over 40.000
 times. We have about 800 visits a day and are helping all people with their
 questions inside the board. Stackoverflow is also a great way to help
 people but not all german developers are able to ask a question in english
 (although you might thought that they are).

 My target ever was to help people who are sitting in front of their
 computers and thinking „hey… why aren’t you working cordova“ or „why
 doesn’t it work like expected“? In spring 2015 my colleague and i decided
 to make all a bit more professional. We weren’t satisfied by the website
 because all was a bit heavy to find (Tutorials etc.) and it was not state
 of the art. Again: E-Mails to apache, registered a new domain and now we’re
 starting a big project under www.cordova.de (first look for you:
 www.cordova.de/dev). I had to rewrite all tutorials, because its still
 our aim to make it understandable and clear for everyone! Till now we spent
 already over 250 hours together for the new project - but it is no problem:
 We love cordova! The Project will start at the end of September this year.
 Cordova is a possibility for companys creating a new branch. Every
 websitedeveloper is able to develop applications with Cordova - but not
 every Developer knows this. We want to spread cordova to every developer
 inside Germany!

 So yes, why am i writing you this all? I think, in comparison to you i’m a
 small person. If i see all the people here getting e-mails to @
 microsoft.com, @intel.com and so on…yes, i’m a small person. I just want
 to let you know, that if we can do anything from the other side of the big
 pond: Please let us know - we’re here, waiting for your instructions :-).

 I don’t know if this „Cordova face to face meeting“ is open for all but my
 colleague and i thought about coming to that meeting. Only because we’re
 interested into getting a deeper look into things and because we both want
 to get better and better. The better we get, the better we can help the
 users in understanding cordova.

 Belonging to the topic, Stackoverflow, frustration etc. - i understand
 Jesse Monroy. A big problem is that in many cases you just can post links
 „look here“ „read this“ etc. and if you give a detailed answer, you’ll
 never hear something again from that user like „worked for me“ or „no this
 doesn’t work“. Thats why we also created a „first steps in cordova“ guide
 on our new website in which all mistakes which can be done are explained.

 Okay so… at least