RE: [ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0
It is (perhaps) fortuitous that this issue comes up at this time. I have struggled to imagine a thoughtful value proposition for DeltaSpike targeting our 700+ developers on six continents (that don't necessarily use English as a first language). The subtle distinction between a CDI-container and a CDI extension seems to me like a lower-level concern that fails to grapple with the value proposition for DeltaSpike. That is, why should one consider DeltaSpike as a wrapper for technologies that are implementable with a native API? For example, in the persistence space, what is the compelling value proposition for obfuscating the specification-backed Java Persistence API with a proprietary DeltaSpike API that dictates a CDI dependency? (Presume that some folks perceive an additional dependency as a negative... not a positive.) Said a third way, if we expect DeltaSpike acceptance to grow beyond the current faithful, how do we articulate the advantages in a manner that causes the thoughtful to think? _Marvin -Original Message- From: John D. Ament [mailto:john.d.am...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0 Sebb, Great points. I'll make sure the email for the next release provides more details. John On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM sebb wrote: > What is the project about? Why should I be interested in it? > (rhetorical questions) > So the e-mails should contain at least brief details of what the > product does. However the sentence: > "Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI extension." > will mean nothing to most people. What does CDI mean?
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0
Gmail seems to have some intelligence where it combines things that match after the [] labels. So if I send out a [VOTE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0 and a [ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0 those seem to get merged sometimes. So yes in a way they are the same. John On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM Thomas Andraschko < andraschko.tho...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the release John! > > Not sure but did you sent the announcement mail with the same topic as the > vote mail? google mail merged it in the vote mails. > > 2016-06-20 16:45 GMT+02:00 sebb : > >> On 20 June 2016 at 15:40, John D. Ament wrote: >> > Sebb, >> > >> > Great points. I'll make sure the email for the next release provides >> more >> > details. Would you be available if I wanted to run some templates by >> you? >> >> Yes. >> >> > John >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM sebb wrote: >> >> >> >> What is the project about? Why should I be interested in it? >> >> (rhetorical questions) >> >> >> >> The Announce emails are sent to people not on the developer or user >> lists. >> >> Most will have no idea what the project is about. >> >> >> >> So the e-mails should contain at least brief details of what the >> >> product does. However the sentence: >> >> >> >> "Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI >> extension." >> >> >> >> will mean nothing to most people. What does CDI mean? >> >> >> >> Also, the description does not agree with the website, which says: >> >> >> >> "Apache DeltaSpike is a collection of portable CDI extensions. " >> >> >> >> But again, what does CDI mean in this context? >> >> >> >> Readers should not have to click the link to find out the basic >> >> information >> >> (although of course it is useful to have such links for further >> detail). >> >> >> >> Please can you add that information to future announce mails? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> On 20 June 2016 at 00:39, John D. Ament wrote: >> >> > The Apache DeltaSpike team is pleased to announce the 26th release of >> >> > DeltaSpike, v1.7.0. This release includes 40 changes to the codebase >> >> > primarily focused on the data module. We've added some initial Java >> 8 >> >> > support and improved performance. >> >> > >> >> > Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI >> extension. >> >> > >> >> > Documentation: >> >> > http://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/ >> >> > >> >> > Download: >> >> > http://deltaspike.apache.org/download.html >> >> > >> >> > Release Notes: >> >> > http://s.apache.org/DeltaSpike-1.7.0 >> >> > >> >> > Enjoy! >> >> > >> >> > John >> > >
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0
On 20 June 2016 at 15:40, John D. Ament wrote: > Sebb, > > Great points. I'll make sure the email for the next release provides more > details. Would you be available if I wanted to run some templates by you? Yes. > John > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM sebb wrote: >> >> What is the project about? Why should I be interested in it? >> (rhetorical questions) >> >> The Announce emails are sent to people not on the developer or user lists. >> Most will have no idea what the project is about. >> >> So the e-mails should contain at least brief details of what the >> product does. However the sentence: >> >> "Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI extension." >> >> will mean nothing to most people. What does CDI mean? >> >> Also, the description does not agree with the website, which says: >> >> "Apache DeltaSpike is a collection of portable CDI extensions. " >> >> But again, what does CDI mean in this context? >> >> Readers should not have to click the link to find out the basic >> information >> (although of course it is useful to have such links for further detail). >> >> Please can you add that information to future announce mails? >> >> Thanks. >> >> On 20 June 2016 at 00:39, John D. Ament wrote: >> > The Apache DeltaSpike team is pleased to announce the 26th release of >> > DeltaSpike, v1.7.0. This release includes 40 changes to the codebase >> > primarily focused on the data module. We've added some initial Java 8 >> > support and improved performance. >> > >> > Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI extension. >> > >> > Documentation: >> > http://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/ >> > >> > Download: >> > http://deltaspike.apache.org/download.html >> > >> > Release Notes: >> > http://s.apache.org/DeltaSpike-1.7.0 >> > >> > Enjoy! >> > >> > John
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0
Thanks for the release John! Not sure but did you sent the announcement mail with the same topic as the vote mail? google mail merged it in the vote mails. 2016-06-20 16:45 GMT+02:00 sebb : > On 20 June 2016 at 15:40, John D. Ament wrote: > > Sebb, > > > > Great points. I'll make sure the email for the next release provides > more > > details. Would you be available if I wanted to run some templates by > you? > > Yes. > > > John > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM sebb wrote: > >> > >> What is the project about? Why should I be interested in it? > >> (rhetorical questions) > >> > >> The Announce emails are sent to people not on the developer or user > lists. > >> Most will have no idea what the project is about. > >> > >> So the e-mails should contain at least brief details of what the > >> product does. However the sentence: > >> > >> "Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI > extension." > >> > >> will mean nothing to most people. What does CDI mean? > >> > >> Also, the description does not agree with the website, which says: > >> > >> "Apache DeltaSpike is a collection of portable CDI extensions. " > >> > >> But again, what does CDI mean in this context? > >> > >> Readers should not have to click the link to find out the basic > >> information > >> (although of course it is useful to have such links for further detail). > >> > >> Please can you add that information to future announce mails? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> On 20 June 2016 at 00:39, John D. Ament wrote: > >> > The Apache DeltaSpike team is pleased to announce the 26th release of > >> > DeltaSpike, v1.7.0. This release includes 40 changes to the codebase > >> > primarily focused on the data module. We've added some initial Java 8 > >> > support and improved performance. > >> > > >> > Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI > extension. > >> > > >> > Documentation: > >> > http://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/ > >> > > >> > Download: > >> > http://deltaspike.apache.org/download.html > >> > > >> > Release Notes: > >> > http://s.apache.org/DeltaSpike-1.7.0 > >> > > >> > Enjoy! > >> > > >> > John >
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0
What is the project about? Why should I be interested in it? (rhetorical questions) The Announce emails are sent to people not on the developer or user lists. Most will have no idea what the project is about. So the e-mails should contain at least brief details of what the product does. However the sentence: "Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI extension." will mean nothing to most people. What does CDI mean? Also, the description does not agree with the website, which says: "Apache DeltaSpike is a collection of portable CDI extensions. " But again, what does CDI mean in this context? Readers should not have to click the link to find out the basic information (although of course it is useful to have such links for further detail). Please can you add that information to future announce mails? Thanks. On 20 June 2016 at 00:39, John D. Ament wrote: > The Apache DeltaSpike team is pleased to announce the 26th release of > DeltaSpike, v1.7.0. This release includes 40 changes to the codebase > primarily focused on the data module. We've added some initial Java 8 > support and improved performance. > > Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI extension. > > Documentation: > http://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/ > > Download: > http://deltaspike.apache.org/download.html > > Release Notes: > http://s.apache.org/DeltaSpike-1.7.0 > > Enjoy! > > John
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0
Sebb, Great points. I'll make sure the email for the next release provides more details. Would you be available if I wanted to run some templates by you? John On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM sebb wrote: > What is the project about? Why should I be interested in it? > (rhetorical questions) > > The Announce emails are sent to people not on the developer or user lists. > Most will have no idea what the project is about. > > So the e-mails should contain at least brief details of what the > product does. However the sentence: > > "Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI extension." > > will mean nothing to most people. What does CDI mean? > > Also, the description does not agree with the website, which says: > > "Apache DeltaSpike is a collection of portable CDI extensions. " > > But again, what does CDI mean in this context? > > Readers should not have to click the link to find out the basic information > (although of course it is useful to have such links for further detail). > > Please can you add that information to future announce mails? > > Thanks. > > On 20 June 2016 at 00:39, John D. Ament wrote: > > The Apache DeltaSpike team is pleased to announce the 26th release of > > DeltaSpike, v1.7.0. This release includes 40 changes to the codebase > > primarily focused on the data module. We've added some initial Java 8 > > support and improved performance. > > > > Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI extension. > > > > Documentation: > > http://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/ > > > > Download: > > http://deltaspike.apache.org/download.html > > > > Release Notes: > > http://s.apache.org/DeltaSpike-1.7.0 > > > > Enjoy! > > > > John >
[ANNOUNCE] Release of Apache DeltaSpike 1.7.0
The Apache DeltaSpike team is pleased to announce the 26th release of DeltaSpike, v1.7.0. This release includes 40 changes to the codebase primarily focused on the data module. We've added some initial Java 8 support and improved performance. Apache DeltaSpike is not a CDI-container, but a portable CDI extension. Documentation: http://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/ Download: http://deltaspike.apache.org/download.html Release Notes: http://s.apache.org/DeltaSpike-1.7.0 Enjoy! John
