Re: Flex is doing good!

[Nick Collins]

I would be interested to know what you are doing that you can't accomplish
with Gimp and Inkscape (since free seems to be high on your priority list).

Personally, from my perspective if this is something you are doing
professionally, you need to invest in your tools. Same as does a carpenter,
a mechanic, etc.

The base tool can be a FOSS application, but then invest in writing your
own plugins and extensions to enhance your workflow and meet your needs.

- Nick


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Eric  wrote:

> I've already beaten this horse before, but I have to wonder if the lack of
> a first class + free design view tool is also a significant factor. I know
> that for us, it's a primary factor.  We don't want to risk losing the
> capability for doing major UI redesigns or tweaks for our production stuff,
> and don't want to be in the business of having to change component
> sizes/coords in code and then navigate the application to see how it looks.
>
> Maybe I should build a demo interface which illustrates why this is so
> important to us, and to see if we just have rare requirements.
>
> A poll (preferably one using multi-select checkboxes, not radiobutton)
> asking why devs haven't switched yet would be interesting if it can reach
> enough of the right people.  I'd suspect the main reason is "no need", and
> possibly custom component support (a factor for us too with some Flextras
> stuff), but other than that I'm not sure.
>
> -Eric
>
>
> On 10/4/2013 10:09 AM, Rushme Nayak wrote:
>
>> really good news :)
>>
>>
>> http://blog.jetbrains.com/**idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-**
>> doing-quick-start-guides-and-**tutorials/
>>
>>
>

Re: Flex is doing good!

[Avi Kessner]

I'm a bit perplexed by the notion that inkscape can help someone correct
CSS percentages, or x,y values for flex components when the border gets
drawn on the outside of the boundaries or on the center of it, or when a
half pixel gets rounded up vs rounded down.

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and the number 47


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Nick Collins  wrote:

> I would be interested to know what you are doing that you can't accomplish
> with Gimp and Inkscape (since free seems to be high on your priority list).
>
> Personally, from my perspective if this is something you are doing
> professionally, you need to invest in your tools. Same as does a carpenter,
> a mechanic, etc.
>
> The base tool can be a FOSS application, but then invest in writing your
> own plugins and extensions to enhance your workflow and meet your needs.
>
> - Nick
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Eric  wrote:
>
> > I've already beaten this horse before, but I have to wonder if the lack
> of
> > a first class + free design view tool is also a significant factor. I
> know
> > that for us, it's a primary factor.  We don't want to risk losing the
> > capability for doing major UI redesigns or tweaks for our production
> stuff,
> > and don't want to be in the business of having to change component
> > sizes/coords in code and then navigate the application to see how it
> looks.
> >
> > Maybe I should build a demo interface which illustrates why this is so
> > important to us, and to see if we just have rare requirements.
> >
> > A poll (preferably one using multi-select checkboxes, not radiobutton)
> > asking why devs haven't switched yet would be interesting if it can reach
> > enough of the right people.  I'd suspect the main reason is "no need",
> and
> > possibly custom component support (a factor for us too with some Flextras
> > stuff), but other than that I'm not sure.
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> >
> > On 10/4/2013 10:09 AM, Rushme Nayak wrote:
> >
> >> really good news :)
> >>
> >>
> >> http://blog.jetbrains.com/**idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-**
> >> doing-quick-start-guides-and-**tutorials/<
> http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-and-tutorials/
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: Flex is doing good!

[Eric]

A, V and I pretty much covered it.  Sometimes we'll decide to hard code 
width/height a few times too. It's nice to be able to set component IDs 
quickly. Think tweaking and positioning of components, not mock ups. 
Sometimes we'll find that the original layout of a large form doesn't 
quite work (data turns out to be too verbose for a field's width, etc), 
and it'll require drag/drop to *quickly* reorganize things.


Yes, some of these forms are packing a lot of fields, but that's how the 
users always want/need it, rather than having ten different pages of a 
workflow to click around. In fact I'm in the process of changing a 
"workflow form" type UI into a consolidated 2-3 page one now. I can't 
elaborate on type of work, but it's usually a lot of data collection 
which needs to be efficiently entered.


If it were up to me, we'd have the tools needed, but that'll never be 
easy.  Based on an article I read once, a lot of devs are in this same 
boat - usually cheap or otherwise ignorant management refuse to buy 
tools, or a "process" makes your life hell to do so.  Allegedly this is 
one of the reasons FOSS tools are popular.


Just to note, I don't expect the Apache Flex team or anyone else to 
"solve our problem", but maybe this helps raise awareness.  I want this 
SDK to be a long term success.


-Eric

On 10/13/2013 10:03 AM, Avi Kessner wrote:

I'm a bit perplexed by the notion that inkscape can help someone correct
CSS percentages, or x,y values for flex components when the border gets
drawn on the outside of the boundaries or on the center of it, or when a
half pixel gets rounded up vs rounded down.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Nick Collins  wrote:


I would be interested to know what you are doing that you can't accomplish
with Gimp and Inkscape (since free seems to be high on your priority list).

Personally, from my perspective if this is something you are doing
professionally, you need to invest in your tools. Same as does a carpenter,
a mechanic, etc.

The base tool can be a FOSS application, but then invest in writing your
own plugins and extensions to enhance your workflow and meet your needs.

- Nick


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Eric  wrote:


I've already beaten this horse before, but I have to wonder if the lack

of

a first class + free design view tool is also a significant factor. I

know

that for us, it's a primary factor.  We don't want to risk losing the
capability for doing major UI redesigns or tweaks for our production

stuff,

and don't want to be in the business of having to change component
sizes/coords in code and then navigate the application to see how it

looks.


Maybe I should build a demo interface which illustrates why this is so
important to us, and to see if we just have rare requirements.

A poll (preferably one using multi-select checkboxes, not radiobutton)
asking why devs haven't switched yet would be interesting if it can reach
enough of the right people.  I'd suspect the main reason is "no need",

and

possibly custom component support (a factor for us too with some Flextras
stuff), but other than that I'm not sure.

-Eric


On 10/4/2013 10:09 AM, Rushme Nayak wrote:


really good news :)


http://blog.jetbrains.com/**idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-**
doing-quick-start-guides-and-**tutorials/<

http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-and-tutorials/

Re: Flex is doing good!

[Rahul Kandari]

Really great news :)


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Rushme Nayak wrote:

> really good news :)
>
>
>
> http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-and-tutorials/
>
> --
> Warm Regards,
> *Rush-me*
>



-- 
Rahul Kandari

Re: Flex is doing good!

[Igor Costa]

Imagine that, when we turn the key for Javascript output.


Igor Costa
www.igorcosta.com
www.igorcosta.org


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rahul Kandari wrote:

> Really great news :)
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Rushme Nayak  >wrote:
>
> > really good news :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-and-tutorials/
> >
> > --
> > Warm Regards,
> > *Rush-me*
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rahul Kandari
>

Re: Flex is doing good!

[Rafael Santos]

Awesome !!!

-- Rafael Santos


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Igor Costa  wrote:

> Imagine that, when we turn the key for Javascript output.
>
> 
> Igor Costa
> www.igorcosta.com
> www.igorcosta.org
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rahul Kandari  >wrote:
>
> > Really great news :)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Rushme Nayak  > >wrote:
> >
> > > really good news :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-and-tutorials/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Warm Regards,
> > > *Rush-me*
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rahul Kandari
> >
>

RE: Flex is doing good!

[Sugan Naicker]

Great News!


-Original Message-
From: Rushme Nayak [mailto:rushme.nay...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 04 October 2013 04:10 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Flex is doing good!

really good news :)


http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-
and-tutorials/

-- 
Warm Regards,
*Rush-me*

Re: Flex is doing good!

[Abdul Sattar]

Excellent!

Regards,

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On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Sugan Naicker  wrote:

> Great News!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rushme Nayak [mailto:rushme.nay...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 04 October 2013 04:10 PM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Flex is doing good!
>
> really good news :)
>
>
>
> http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-
> and-tutorials/
>
> --
> Warm Regards,
> *Rush-me*
>
>

Re: Flex is doing good!

[Ganesh Suyampirakasam]

Coool !


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Abdul Sattar  wrote:

> Excellent!
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Abdul Sattar
> *+92 321 6433805*
> Director IT & Operations
> Powersoft
> S3 Mian Building, Faiz Road,
> Old Muslim Town,
> Lahore - Pakistan
> +92 423 6139876
>
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> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Sugan Naicker  wrote:
>
> > Great News!
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rushme Nayak [mailto:rushme.nay...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 04 October 2013 04:10 PM
> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > Subject: Flex is doing good!
> >
> > really good news :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-
> > and-tutorials/
> >
> > --
> > Warm Regards,
> > *Rush-me*
> >
> >
>



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Ganesh S

Re: Flex is doing good!

[Eric]

I've already beaten this horse before, but I have to wonder if the lack 
of a first class + free design view tool is also a significant factor. 
I know that for us, it's a primary factor.  We don't want to risk losing 
the capability for doing major UI redesigns or tweaks for our production 
stuff, and don't want to be in the business of having to change 
component sizes/coords in code and then navigate the application to see 
how it looks.


Maybe I should build a demo interface which illustrates why this is so 
important to us, and to see if we just have rare requirements.


A poll (preferably one using multi-select checkboxes, not radiobutton) 
asking why devs haven't switched yet would be interesting if it can 
reach enough of the right people.  I'd suspect the main reason is "no 
need", and possibly custom component support (a factor for us too with 
some Flextras stuff), but other than that I'm not sure.


-Eric

On 10/4/2013 10:09 AM, Rushme Nayak wrote:

really good news :)


http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-and-tutorials/