Re: [DISCUSS] Remove Eclipse-specific plugin configurations

[Chesnay Schepler]

You may very well may be ;)

This gives us one more reason to remove this stuff.

On 03/03/2020 14:52, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:
Yes, in my experience.. I always asked myself if I was the only one 
using Eclipse.. :D


On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:33 PM Chesnay Schepler > wrote:


To clarify, the whole lifecycle-mapping business is both
unnecessary and
actively harmful?

On 03/03/2020 14:18, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:
> Sorry for the late reply. I'm using the latest Eclipse (2019-12
R) and if I
> create a project using the Flink 1.10 archetype Eclipse doesn't
reconstruct
> correctly the sources folders.
> If I remove the lifecycle-mapping plugin from the build section
everything
> works as expected.
>
> About Flink development it's almost the same. I only need to
install the
> scale plugin if I need to debug or edit the scala code.
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 12:45 AM Stephan Ewen mailto:se...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
>> Flavio, do you load Flink source code into Eclipse, or develop
Flink
>> applications in Eclipse (based on the quickstart archetypes)?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chesnay Schepler
mailto:ches...@apache.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you have to change it to?
>>>
>>> What happens if you just remove it completely?
>>>
>>> On 28/02/2020 16:08, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:
 I use Eclipse but the stuff added in the pom.xml to improve the
 out-of-the-box experience is pretty useless, I always have to
change it

 On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Chesnay Schepler
mailto:ches...@apache.org>>
>>> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> in various maven pom.xml we have some plugin definitions
exclusively to
> increase support for the Eclipse IDE.
>
>    From what I have heard developing Flink is not really
possible with
> Exclipse (we explicitly recommend IntelliJ in our
documentation); I'm
> not aware of any committer using it at least.
>
> Hence I wanted to ask here to find out whether anyone is
using Eclipse.
>
> If not, then I would like remove this stuff from the poms in
an effort
> to reduce noise, and to reduce issues when using other IDE's
(like what
> happened for vscode-java in FLINK-16150).
>
>>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Remove Eclipse-specific plugin configurations

[Flavio Pompermaier]

Yes, in my experience.. I always asked myself if I was the only one using
Eclipse.. :D

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:33 PM Chesnay Schepler  wrote:

> To clarify, the whole lifecycle-mapping business is both unnecessary and
> actively harmful?
>
> On 03/03/2020 14:18, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:
> > Sorry for the late reply. I'm using the latest Eclipse (2019-12 R) and
> if I
> > create a project using the Flink 1.10 archetype Eclipse doesn't
> reconstruct
> > correctly the sources folders.
> > If I remove the lifecycle-mapping plugin from the build section
> everything
> > works as expected.
> >
> > About Flink development it's almost the same. I only need to install the
> > scale plugin if I need to debug or edit the scala code.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 12:45 AM Stephan Ewen  wrote:
> >
> >> Flavio, do you load Flink source code into Eclipse, or develop Flink
> >> applications in Eclipse (based on the quickstart archetypes)?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chesnay Schepler 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What do you have to change it to?
> >>>
> >>> What happens if you just remove it completely?
> >>>
> >>> On 28/02/2020 16:08, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:
>  I use Eclipse but the stuff added in the pom.xml to improve the
>  out-of-the-box experience is pretty useless, I always have to change
> it
> 
>  On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Chesnay Schepler 
> >>> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > in various maven pom.xml we have some plugin definitions exclusively
> to
> > increase support for the Eclipse IDE.
> >
> >From what I have heard developing Flink is not really possible
> with
> > Exclipse (we explicitly recommend IntelliJ in our documentation); I'm
> > not aware of any committer using it at least.
> >
> > Hence I wanted to ask here to find out whether anyone is using
> Eclipse.
> >
> > If not, then I would like remove this stuff from the poms in an
> effort
> > to reduce noise, and to reduce issues when using other IDE's (like
> what
> > happened for vscode-java in FLINK-16150).
> >
> >>>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Remove Eclipse-specific plugin configurations

[Chesnay Schepler]

To clarify, the whole lifecycle-mapping business is both unnecessary and 
actively harmful?


On 03/03/2020 14:18, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:

Sorry for the late reply. I'm using the latest Eclipse (2019-12 R) and if I
create a project using the Flink 1.10 archetype Eclipse doesn't reconstruct
correctly the sources folders.
If I remove the lifecycle-mapping plugin from the build section everything
works as expected.

About Flink development it's almost the same. I only need to install the
scale plugin if I need to debug or edit the scala code.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 12:45 AM Stephan Ewen  wrote:


Flavio, do you load Flink source code into Eclipse, or develop Flink
applications in Eclipse (based on the quickstart archetypes)?

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chesnay Schepler 
wrote:


What do you have to change it to?

What happens if you just remove it completely?

On 28/02/2020 16:08, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:

I use Eclipse but the stuff added in the pom.xml to improve the
out-of-the-box experience is pretty useless, I always have to change it

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Chesnay Schepler 

wrote:

Hello,

in various maven pom.xml we have some plugin definitions exclusively to
increase support for the Eclipse IDE.

   From what I have heard developing Flink is not really possible with
Exclipse (we explicitly recommend IntelliJ in our documentation); I'm
not aware of any committer using it at least.

Hence I wanted to ask here to find out whether anyone is using Eclipse.

If not, then I would like remove this stuff from the poms in an effort
to reduce noise, and to reduce issues when using other IDE's (like what
happened for vscode-java in FLINK-16150).

Re: [DISCUSS] Remove Eclipse-specific plugin configurations

[Flavio Pompermaier]

Sorry for the late reply. I'm using the latest Eclipse (2019-12 R) and if I
create a project using the Flink 1.10 archetype Eclipse doesn't reconstruct
correctly the sources folders.
If I remove the lifecycle-mapping plugin from the build section everything
works as expected.

About Flink development it's almost the same. I only need to install the
scale plugin if I need to debug or edit the scala code.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 12:45 AM Stephan Ewen  wrote:

> Flavio, do you load Flink source code into Eclipse, or develop Flink
> applications in Eclipse (based on the quickstart archetypes)?
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chesnay Schepler 
> wrote:
>
>> What do you have to change it to?
>>
>> What happens if you just remove it completely?
>>
>> On 28/02/2020 16:08, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:
>> > I use Eclipse but the stuff added in the pom.xml to improve the
>> > out-of-the-box experience is pretty useless, I always have to change it
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Chesnay Schepler 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> in various maven pom.xml we have some plugin definitions exclusively to
>> >> increase support for the Eclipse IDE.
>> >>
>> >>   From what I have heard developing Flink is not really possible with
>> >> Exclipse (we explicitly recommend IntelliJ in our documentation); I'm
>> >> not aware of any committer using it at least.
>> >>
>> >> Hence I wanted to ask here to find out whether anyone is using Eclipse.
>> >>
>> >> If not, then I would like remove this stuff from the poms in an effort
>> >> to reduce noise, and to reduce issues when using other IDE's (like what
>> >> happened for vscode-java in FLINK-16150).
>> >>
>>
>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Remove Eclipse-specific plugin configurations

[Stephan Ewen]

Flavio, do you load Flink source code into Eclipse, or develop Flink
applications in Eclipse (based on the quickstart archetypes)?

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chesnay Schepler  wrote:

> What do you have to change it to?
>
> What happens if you just remove it completely?
>
> On 28/02/2020 16:08, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:
> > I use Eclipse but the stuff added in the pom.xml to improve the
> > out-of-the-box experience is pretty useless, I always have to change it
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Chesnay Schepler 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> in various maven pom.xml we have some plugin definitions exclusively to
> >> increase support for the Eclipse IDE.
> >>
> >>   From what I have heard developing Flink is not really possible with
> >> Exclipse (we explicitly recommend IntelliJ in our documentation); I'm
> >> not aware of any committer using it at least.
> >>
> >> Hence I wanted to ask here to find out whether anyone is using Eclipse.
> >>
> >> If not, then I would like remove this stuff from the poms in an effort
> >> to reduce noise, and to reduce issues when using other IDE's (like what
> >> happened for vscode-java in FLINK-16150).
> >>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Remove Eclipse-specific plugin configurations

[Chesnay Schepler]

What do you have to change it to?

What happens if you just remove it completely?

On 28/02/2020 16:08, Flavio Pompermaier wrote:

I use Eclipse but the stuff added in the pom.xml to improve the
out-of-the-box experience is pretty useless, I always have to change it

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Chesnay Schepler  wrote:


Hello,

in various maven pom.xml we have some plugin definitions exclusively to
increase support for the Eclipse IDE.

  From what I have heard developing Flink is not really possible with
Exclipse (we explicitly recommend IntelliJ in our documentation); I'm
not aware of any committer using it at least.

Hence I wanted to ask here to find out whether anyone is using Eclipse.

If not, then I would like remove this stuff from the poms in an effort
to reduce noise, and to reduce issues when using other IDE's (like what
happened for vscode-java in FLINK-16150).

Re: [DISCUSS] Remove Eclipse-specific plugin configurations

[Flavio Pompermaier]

I use Eclipse but the stuff added in the pom.xml to improve the
out-of-the-box experience is pretty useless, I always have to change it

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Chesnay Schepler  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> in various maven pom.xml we have some plugin definitions exclusively to
> increase support for the Eclipse IDE.
>
>  From what I have heard developing Flink is not really possible with
> Exclipse (we explicitly recommend IntelliJ in our documentation); I'm
> not aware of any committer using it at least.
>
> Hence I wanted to ask here to find out whether anyone is using Eclipse.
>
> If not, then I would like remove this stuff from the poms in an effort
> to reduce noise, and to reduce issues when using other IDE's (like what
> happened for vscode-java in FLINK-16150).
>

[DISCUSS] Remove Eclipse-specific plugin configurations

[Chesnay Schepler]

Hello,

in various maven pom.xml we have some plugin definitions exclusively to 
increase support for the Eclipse IDE.


From what I have heard developing Flink is not really possible with 
Exclipse (we explicitly recommend IntelliJ in our documentation); I'm 
not aware of any committer using it at least.


Hence I wanted to ask here to find out whether anyone is using Eclipse.

If not, then I would like remove this stuff from the poms in an effort 
to reduce noise, and to reduce issues when using other IDE's (like what 
happened for vscode-java in FLINK-16150).