Re: Build errors on trunk
David, I'm ecstatic! Those dependency changes have solved my problems and I finally have a build. Thanks heaps! Jan David Jencks wrote: There were definitely some missing dependencies that explain the possibility of the first problem you encountered. I'm still confused by the second one. I've fixed the dependency problems I know about. Can you update and try again? You should be able to just do: rm -rf ~/.maven/repository/geronimo/cars maven -o new4 since everything before this step already worked: removing the cars assures that you will find out if the cars are in fact built in the order they are needed. thanks david jencks On Jan 13, 2006, at 4:54 PM, Jan Bartel wrote: I still can't build HEAD. I am using maven 1.0.2 on Ubuntu Linux with jdk 1.4.2 and svn revision 368935. I've done: + deleted geronimo from my local repo + deleted the plugins from my local repo + deleted configs/*/target + maven m:fresh-checkout + maven m:clean + maven new The build complains as follows: [echo] Running car:install for Welcome app Tomcat 12367 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.kernel.config.NoSuchConfigException: No configuration with id: geronimo/openejb-deployer/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car org.apache.geronimo.kernel.config.NoSuchConfigException: No configuration with id: geronimo/openejb-deployer/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car If I go into configs/openejb and build it, then restart the build, it will fail with the error I posted previously: "Module geronimo/openejb/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command." This will also happen on some of the other configs. It almost looks like maven has the wrong build order? Jan Aaron Mulder wrote: I was able to build HEAD successfully. I did: maven m:update maven -o m:clean m:clean-repo maven new I used Maven 1.1-beta2 and the last (online) step took 51m. Aaron On 1/12/06, Jan Bartel [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, I must admit that I've been trying to build most of it offline as it takes me about 8hrs to do a full build online (problem with using a laptop). I have bitten the bullet and am now about 2hrs thru a full build, so I will let you know what happens when I get up to the openejb portion of the build. thanks Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: Jan, Did you delete openejb/core? Build openejb online without it. I could not get the core to build. thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, Thanks for the suggestion, but it must be something else going on, as I already seem to have the org.apache.geronimo.specs.geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar in my local repo. I'm starting to feel like I may never have a working copy again! :-( cheers Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was able to build the server. This is related to G-1449. The missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be put in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs manually. I hope this helps. Thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 days and I'm going crazy! I've tried every combination of online and offline, m:clean, m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted configs/*/target, and I still get this error every time I try and build the configs (this example is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens with others too): 8612 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. Anybody got any clues to help me? TIA Jan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Build errors on trunk
There were definitely some missing dependencies that explain the possibility of the first problem you encountered. I'm still confused by the second one. I've fixed the dependency problems I know about. Can you update and try again? You should be able to just do: rm -rf ~/.maven/repository/geronimo/cars maven -o new4 since everything before this step already worked: removing the cars assures that you will find out if the cars are in fact built in the order they are needed. thanks david jencks On Jan 13, 2006, at 4:54 PM, Jan Bartel wrote: I still can't build HEAD. I am using maven 1.0.2 on Ubuntu Linux with jdk 1.4.2 and svn revision 368935. I've done: + deleted geronimo from my local repo + deleted the plugins from my local repo + deleted configs/*/target + maven m:fresh-checkout + maven m:clean + maven new The build complains as follows: [echo] Running car:install for Welcome app Tomcat 12367 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.kernel.config.NoSuchConfigException: No configuration with id: geronimo/openejb-deployer/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car org.apache.geronimo.kernel.config.NoSuchConfigException: No configuration with id: geronimo/openejb-deployer/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car If I go into configs/openejb and build it, then restart the build, it will fail with the error I posted previously: "Module geronimo/openejb/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command." This will also happen on some of the other configs. It almost looks like maven has the wrong build order? Jan Aaron Mulder wrote: I was able to build HEAD successfully. I did: maven m:update maven -o m:clean m:clean-repo maven new I used Maven 1.1-beta2 and the last (online) step took 51m. Aaron On 1/12/06, Jan Bartel [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, I must admit that I've been trying to build most of it offline as it takes me about 8hrs to do a full build online (problem with using a laptop). I have bitten the bullet and am now about 2hrs thru a full build, so I will let you know what happens when I get up to the openejb portion of the build. thanks Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: Jan, Did you delete openejb/core? Build openejb online without it. I could not get the core to build. thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, Thanks for the suggestion, but it must be something else going on, as I already seem to have the org.apache.geronimo.specs.geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar in my local repo. I'm starting to feel like I may never have a working copy again! :-( cheers Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was able to build the server. This is related to G-1449. The missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be put in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs manually. I hope this helps. Thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 days and I'm going crazy! I've tried every combination of online and offline, m:clean, m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted configs/*/target, and I still get this error every time I try and build the configs (this example is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens with others too): 8612 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. Anybody got any clues to help me? TIA Jan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Build errors on trunk
Hi Jan, Is it possible to checkout the trunk from scratch and try that? If it fails we'll know its not something residual in your build environment. Jan Bartel wrote: I still can't build HEAD. I am using maven 1.0.2 on Ubuntu Linux with jdk 1.4.2 and svn revision 368935. I've done: + deleted geronimo from my local repo + deleted the plugins from my local repo + deleted configs/*/target + maven m:fresh-checkout + maven m:clean + maven new The build complains as follows: [echo] Running car:install for Welcome app Tomcat 12367 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.kernel.config.NoSuchConfigException: No configuration with id: geronimo/openejb-deployer/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car org.apache.geronimo.kernel.config.NoSuchConfigException: No configuration with id: geronimo/openejb-deployer/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car If I go into configs/openejb and build it, then restart the build, it will fail with the error I posted previously: "Module geronimo/openejb/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command." This will also happen on some of the other configs. It almost looks like maven has the wrong build order? Jan Aaron Mulder wrote: I was able to build HEAD successfully. I did: maven m:update maven -o m:clean m:clean-repo maven new I used Maven 1.1-beta2 and the last (online) step took 51m. Aaron On 1/12/06, Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, I must admit that I've been trying to build most of it offline as it takes me about 8hrs to do a full build online (problem with using a laptop). I have bitten the bullet and am now about 2hrs thru a full build, so I will let you know what happens when I get up to the openejb portion of the build. thanks Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: Jan, Did you delete openejb/core? Build openejb online without it. I could not get the core to build. thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, Thanks for the suggestion, but it must be something else going on, as I already seem to have the org.apache.geronimo.specs.geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar in my local repo. I'm starting to feel like I may never have a working copy again! :-( cheers Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was able to build the server. This is related to G-1449. The missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be put in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs manually. I hope this helps. Thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 days and I'm going crazy! I've tried every combination of online and offline, m:clean, m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted configs/*/target, and I still get this error every time I try and build the configs (this example is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens with others too): 8612 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. Anybody got any clues to help me? TIA Jan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Build errors on trunk
I still can't build HEAD. I am using maven 1.0.2 on Ubuntu Linux with jdk 1.4.2 and svn revision 368935. I've done: + deleted geronimo from my local repo + deleted the plugins from my local repo + deleted configs/*/target + maven m:fresh-checkout + maven m:clean + maven new The build complains as follows: [echo] Running car:install for Welcome app Tomcat 12367 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.kernel.config.NoSuchConfigException: No configuration with id: geronimo/openejb-deployer/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car org.apache.geronimo.kernel.config.NoSuchConfigException: No configuration with id: geronimo/openejb-deployer/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car If I go into configs/openejb and build it, then restart the build, it will fail with the error I posted previously: "Module geronimo/openejb/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command." This will also happen on some of the other configs. It almost looks like maven has the wrong build order? Jan Aaron Mulder wrote: I was able to build HEAD successfully. I did: maven m:update maven -o m:clean m:clean-repo maven new I used Maven 1.1-beta2 and the last (online) step took 51m. Aaron On 1/12/06, Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, I must admit that I've been trying to build most of it offline as it takes me about 8hrs to do a full build online (problem with using a laptop). I have bitten the bullet and am now about 2hrs thru a full build, so I will let you know what happens when I get up to the openejb portion of the build. thanks Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: Jan, Did you delete openejb/core? Build openejb online without it. I could not get the core to build. thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, Thanks for the suggestion, but it must be something else going on, as I already seem to have the org.apache.geronimo.specs.geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar in my local repo. I'm starting to feel like I may never have a working copy again! :-( cheers Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was able to build the server. This is related to G-1449. The missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be put in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs manually. I hope this helps. Thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 days and I'm going crazy! I've tried every combination of online and offline, m:clean, m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted configs/*/target, and I still get this error every time I try and build the configs (this example is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens with others too): 8612 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. Anybody got any clues to help me? TIA Jan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Build errors on trunk
I was able to build HEAD successfully. I did: maven m:update maven -o m:clean m:clean-repo maven new I used Maven 1.1-beta2 and the last (online) step took 51m. Aaron On 1/12/06, Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anita, > > I must admit that I've been trying to build most of it > offline as it takes me about 8hrs to do a full build online > (problem with using a laptop). > > I have bitten the bullet and am now about 2hrs thru a full > build, so I will let you know what happens when I get up to > the openejb portion of the build. > > thanks > Jan > > > anita kulshreshtha wrote: > > Jan, > > Did you delete openejb/core? Build openejb online > > without it. > > I could not get the core to build. > > > > thanks > > Anita > > > > > > --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Anita, > >> > >>Thanks for the suggestion, but it must be something > >>else > >>going on, as I already seem to have the > >> > > > > org.apache.geronimo.specs.geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar > > > >>in my local repo. > >> > >>I'm starting to feel like I may never have a working > >> > >>copy again! :-( > >> > >>cheers > >>Jan > >> > >>anita kulshreshtha wrote: > >> > >>> I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was > >> > >>able > >> > >>>to build the server. This is related to G-1449. > >> > >>The > >> > >>>missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be > >> > >>put > >> > >>>in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs > >> > >>manually. > >> > >>> I hope this helps. > >>> > >>>Thanks > >>>Anita > >>> > >>>--- Jan Bartel > >> > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>wrote: > >> > >>> > I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 > >> > >>days > >> > and I'm going > crazy! I've tried every combination of online and > offline, m:clean, > m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted > configs/*/target, and I still > get this error every time I try and build the > configs (this example > is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens > >> > >>with > >> > others too): > > 8612 [main] ERROR > >> > >>>org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder > >> > - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: > Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car > >> > >>already > >> > exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or > use the redeploy command. > org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: > Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car > >> > >>already > >> > exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or > use the redeploy command. > > Anybody got any clues to help me? > > TIA > Jan > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>__ > >>>Do You Yahoo!? > >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> > >>protection around > >> > >>>http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >
Re: Build errors on trunk
Anita, I must admit that I've been trying to build most of it offline as it takes me about 8hrs to do a full build online (problem with using a laptop). I have bitten the bullet and am now about 2hrs thru a full build, so I will let you know what happens when I get up to the openejb portion of the build. thanks Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: Jan, Did you delete openejb/core? Build openejb online without it. I could not get the core to build. thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anita, Thanks for the suggestion, but it must be something else going on, as I already seem to have the org.apache.geronimo.specs.geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar in my local repo. I'm starting to feel like I may never have a working copy again! :-( cheers Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was able to build the server. This is related to G-1449. The missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be put in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs manually. I hope this helps. Thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 days and I'm going crazy! I've tried every combination of online and offline, m:clean, m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted configs/*/target, and I still get this error every time I try and build the configs (this example is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens with others too): 8612 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. Anybody got any clues to help me? TIA Jan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Build errors on trunk
Jan, Did you delete openejb/core? Build openejb online without it. I could not get the core to build. thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anita, > > Thanks for the suggestion, but it must be something > else > going on, as I already seem to have the > org.apache.geronimo.specs.geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar > in my local repo. > > I'm starting to feel like I may never have a working > > copy again! :-( > > cheers > Jan > > anita kulshreshtha wrote: > >I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was > able > > to build the server. This is related to G-1449. > The > > missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be > put > > in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs > manually. > >I hope this helps. > > > > Thanks > > Anita > > > > --- Jan Bartel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > >>I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 > days > >>and I'm going > >>crazy! I've tried every combination of online and > >>offline, m:clean, > >>m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted > >>configs/*/target, and I still > >>get this error every time I try and build the > >>configs (this example > >>is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens > with > >>others too): > >> > >>8612 [main] ERROR > >>org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder > > >>- org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: > >>Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car > already > >>exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or > >>use the redeploy command. > >>org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: > >>Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car > already > >>exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or > >>use the redeploy command. > >> > >>Anybody got any clues to help me? > >> > >>TIA > >>Jan > >> > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Build errors on trunk
Anita, Thanks for the suggestion, but it must be something else going on, as I already seem to have the org.apache.geronimo.specs.geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar in my local repo. I'm starting to feel like I may never have a working copy again! :-( cheers Jan anita kulshreshtha wrote: I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was able to build the server. This is related to G-1449. The missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be put in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs manually. I hope this helps. Thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 days and I'm going crazy! I've tried every combination of online and offline, m:clean, m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted configs/*/target, and I still get this error every time I try and build the configs (this example is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens with others too): 8612 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. Anybody got any clues to help me? TIA Jan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Build errors on trunk
I have had the same luck! After 2 days I was able to build the server. This is related to G-1449. The missing geronimo-corba_2.3_spec-1.0.jar should be put in maven repo at org.apache.geronimo.specs manually. I hope this helps. Thanks Anita --- Jan Bartel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 days > and I'm going > crazy! I've tried every combination of online and > offline, m:clean, > m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted > configs/*/target, and I still > get this error every time I try and build the > configs (this example > is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens with > others too): > > 8612 [main] ERROR > org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder > - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: > Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already > exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or > use the redeploy command. > org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: > Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already > exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or > use the redeploy command. > > Anybody got any clues to help me? > > TIA > Jan > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Build errors on trunk
I've been trying to build geronimo trunk for 2 days and I'm going crazy! I've tried every combination of online and offline, m:clean, m:fresh-checkout, I've even deleted configs/*/target, and I still get this error every time I try and build the configs (this example is from the j2ee-server module, but it happens with others too): 8612 [main] ERROR org.apache.geronimo.plugin.packaging.PackageBuilder - org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. org.apache.geronimo.common.DeploymentException: Module geronimo/j2ee-system/1.1-SNAPSHOT/car already exists in the server. Try to undeploy it first or use the redeploy command. Anybody got any clues to help me? TIA Jan
