Re: Java EE schema license question
CC'ing cxf-dev and apache legal, as it pertains to Geronimo, but I think it would be good for us (CXF) to hear from legal The part of the license that concerns me is this: No part of this document may be reproduced in any form by any means without prior written authorization of Sun and its licensors, if any. Does G have prior written authorization to include it as part of the source distro? Does Apache as a whole? Can we as an incubating project redistribute this in our source distribution? If not can we do so temporarily until we're able to obtain authorization? - Dan Bozhong Lin wrote: re-sending with Java EE schema URL links included: [1] http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/javaee/javaee_5.xsd [2] http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee/j2ee_1_4.xsd Original Message Subject: Java EE schema license question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:05 +0800 From: Bozhong Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dev@geronimo.apache.org Hi, Apache CXF currently use java EE 5 [1] schema, and would like to include the schema in distribution if that is allowed from copyright perspective. From the copyright statement included in the schema file, it seems to be very strict for redistribution. I found that Geronimo source distribution includes java EE 1.4 schema [2], which has similar copyright statement. I just wonder if this ever was a legal issue for you guys, and how you guys get around of this if so? Thanks for the insight! Cheers, Bo -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog
Re: Java EE schema license question
Schemas has been removed from the latest Geronimo distributions. They are only used at build time to generate xmlbeans classes to parse the deployment descriptors and are no longer distributed afaik. On 10/30/06, Dan Diephouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CC'ing cxf-dev and apache legal, as it pertains to Geronimo, but I think it would be good for us (CXF) to hear from legal The part of the license that concerns me is this: No part of this document may be reproduced in any form by any means without prior written authorization of Sun and its licensors, if any. Does G have prior written authorization to include it as part of the source distro? Does Apache as a whole? Can we as an incubating project redistribute this in our source distribution? If not can we do so temporarily until we're able to obtain authorization? - Dan Bozhong Lin wrote: re-sending with Java EE schema URL links included: [1] http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/javaee/javaee_5.xsd [2] http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee/j2ee_1_4.xsd Original Message Subject: Java EE schema license question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:05 +0800 From: Bozhong Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dev@geronimo.apache.org Hi, Apache CXF currently use java EE 5 [1] schema, and would like to include the schema in distribution if that is allowed from copyright perspective. From the copyright statement included in the schema file, it seems to be very strict for redistribution. I found that Geronimo source distribution includes java EE 1.4 schema [2], which has similar copyright statement. I just wonder if this ever was a legal issue for you guys, and how you guys get around of this if so? Thanks for the insight! Cheers, Bo -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog -- Cheers, Guillaume Nodet
RE: Java EE schema license question
No part of this document may be reproduced in any form by any means without prior written authorization of Sun and its licensors, if any. In Eclipse-land, when these files are needed by the WTP framework, it actually pops up a dialog box with the license and you have to click yes to carry on. My assumption is that this little piece of text is the issue, so I would be interested to hear any of the (qualified :) opinions that come up here. cheers --oh
Re: Java EE schema license question
For Geronimo (apart from initial setup) it is most often run in a background environment through scripts so there isn't a person their to accept the license. We could probably create some kind of acceptance file that a user would have to manually update but that's kind of clunky. On Oct 30, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Hurley, Oisin wrote: No part of this document may be reproduced in any form by any means without prior written authorization of Sun and its licensors, if any. In Eclipse-land, when these files are needed by the WTP framework, it actually pops up a dialog box with the license and you have to click yes to carry on. My assumption is that this little piece of text is the issue, so I would be interested to hear any of the (qualified :) opinions that come up here. cheers --oh Matt Hogstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Java EE schema license question
We recently noticed this problem also and have removed all the sun schemas from our distributions and active svn branches. Earlier releases (up through 1.1) included the j2ee 1.4 schemas, and we haven't made any attempt to stop distributing them or modify the svn tags for the releases to remove the sun schemas. What we've done is to put the sun schemas in the non-public tck repo and generate xmlbeans artifacts from them. We distribute the xmlbeans source and compiled classes, while removing the actual schemas themselves. This does seem slightly silly since sun does not require a click- through license to access them from the web: we could also have generated the xmlbeans artifacts by downloading the schemas at build time. I decided against this approach because it would prevent offline builds and because sun has sometimes changed the schemas without changing any versioning info and I'd prefer to know what it is we are building from. IIUC Geir would be the one to negotiate a license and since IIRC he pointed out the problem to us I assume he regards it as extremely unlikely that we can get a license to redistribute the files. thanks david jencks On Oct 30, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Dan Diephouse wrote: CC'ing cxf-dev and apache legal, as it pertains to Geronimo, but I think it would be good for us (CXF) to hear from legal The part of the license that concerns me is this: No part of this document may be reproduced in any form by any means without prior written authorization of Sun and its licensors, if any. Does G have prior written authorization to include it as part of the source distro? Does Apache as a whole? Can we as an incubating project redistribute this in our source distribution? If not can we do so temporarily until we're able to obtain authorization? - Dan Bozhong Lin wrote: re-sending with Java EE schema URL links included: [1] http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/javaee/javaee_5.xsd [2] http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/j2ee/j2ee_1_4.xsd Original Message Subject: Java EE schema license question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:05 +0800 From: Bozhong Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dev@geronimo.apache.org Hi, Apache CXF currently use java EE 5 [1] schema, and would like to include the schema in distribution if that is allowed from copyright perspective. From the copyright statement included in the schema file, it seems to be very strict for redistribution. I found that Geronimo source distribution includes java EE 1.4 schema [2], which has similar copyright statement. I just wonder if this ever was a legal issue for you guys, and how you guys get around of this if so? Thanks for the insight! Cheers, Bo -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog - DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and policies of the ASF. See http://www.apache.org/licenses/ for official ASF policies and documents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
