Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle response time

2008-02-04 Thread F Wolff
Op Saterdag 2008-02-02 skryf Olivier Hallot:
> Hi,
> Am I the only one who gets > 15 seconds average time for pootle 
> response? With such response times it becomes very hard to keep a 
> transation pace comfortable directly on the server. Just doing a simple 
> math, I have >1570 string to translate in HC2/scal/01.po, at this pace 
> it will take me no less than 7 hours waiting for Pootle... Sad...

This is obviously not the way it should be, and Aijin and I will look
into this. I have a few ideas that Aijin will hopefully be able to
investigate soon. 


> So I tried to download the file to work on Kbabel, but KBabel shows 
> weird things with msgids ... for example:
> 
> _: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n
> Maturity is the date on which the security matures (expires).
> 
> The HC/scalc/01.po file I downloaded has this in it:
> 
> #: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text
> msgid ""
> "_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"
> "Maturity is the date on which the security matures (expires)."
> msgstr ""
> 
> Pootle does not get bothered with the spurious string 
> "_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"
> 
> but Kbabel does.
> 
> Am I missing something on Kbabel and/or is there another fine tunning for 
> Pootle needed?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Olivier

The text marked with _:  \n is the old KDE style of marking context
to disambiguate messages that would otherwise be identical. The PO files
for OpenOffice.org translation can be formed with different options for
handling duplicates, KDE style comments being one of them. More
information is available here:
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/duplicates_duplicatestyle

Friedel


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Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle response time

2008-02-02 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary


On 3 févr. 08, at 15:55, Clytie Siddall wrote:

So, if we were using Pootle at the same time, and we were getting  
different response times, that sounds more like local network  
problems than anything else. Where is the OpenOffice.org Pootle  
server located? I'm in South Australia. I find sometimes I get  
better response time from Japan, for example, than people do in  
Europe.



I've had bad response times since I started trying Pootle, when Aijin  
uploaded the French project. Even today.



Jean-Christophe Helary


http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/


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Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle response time

2008-02-02 Thread Clytie Siddall


On 03/02/2008, at 2:05 PM, Aijin Kim wrote:


Hi Olivier, Sophie,

Do you still have such a long response time in Pootle? I'm trying  
now, it takes 2-3 seconds to move to another page..
I'll try to investigate what's the problem among several  
possiblities, hardware, network or Pootle itself.


Hi Pootle user,
When you have a trouble during online translation, please let me  
know your status so that I can check out what's the problem.


I was using Pootle for nearly all of yesterday afternoon and evening  
(I'm UTC +1030), and nearly all of that time the response time was 2-3  
seconds. I keep three tabs open in different PO files and switch  
between them: that means no waiting. ;)


So, if we were using Pootle at the same time, and we were getting  
different response times, that sounds more like local network problems  
than anything else. Where is the OpenOffice.org Pootle server located?  
I'm in South Australia. I find sometimes I get better response time  
from Japan, for example, than people do in Europe.


Only very occasionally, probably three or four times in that period  
(2008-02-02 [1300-2400]+1030), did Pootle slow down, so that I had to  
go away and do something else while it was talking to itself. I've  
asked the Pootle devs about these odd slow-downs before, and they say  
_one_ per day might be the regular system maintenance, but there  
shouldn't be more than one.


So we should ask them. :)

More details on keeping more than one tab open in Pootle: this may not  
work for everyone, but I find there are always other things I can be  
doing, like searching through the interface to compare strings with  
those quoted in the Help, and reviewing already translated files.  
Since we still have several Help files with untranslated/fuzzy  
strings, I can also work on three of those at once.


However, if you need to spend your allotted time on only one file, you  
may find it more effective to download the file and work offline.  
Pootle is really designed to distribute the translation task, not  
concentrate it. It allows you to choose your translation method,  
provides the current stats and updated files, and overwrites/merges  
your file when you've finished working, if you've chosen to translate  
offline.


Aijin: I'll try to keep tabs on those occasional slowdowns, and send  
the data to you. :)


from Clytie

Vietnamese Free Software Translation Team
http://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n



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Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle response time

2008-02-02 Thread Aijin Kim

Hi Olivier, Sophie,

Do you still have such a long response time in Pootle? I'm trying now, 
it takes 2-3 seconds to move to another page..
I'll try to investigate what's the problem among several possiblities, 
hardware, network or Pootle itself.


Hi Pootle user,
When you have a trouble during online translation, please let me know 
your status so that I can check out what's the problem.


Thanks,
Aijin


sophie wrote:

Hi Oliver,

Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi,
Am I the only one who gets > 15 seconds average time for pootle 
response? With such response times it becomes very hard to keep a 
transation pace comfortable directly on the server. Just doing a 
simple math, I have >1570 string to translate in HC2/scal/01.po, at 
this pace it will take me no less than 7 hours waiting for Pootle... 
Sad...


I meet the same response time. I have the time to answer my mail 
between 2 strings ;-)


So I tried to download the file to work on Kbabel, but KBabel shows 
weird things with msgids ... for example:


_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n
Maturity is the date on which the security matures 
(expires).


The HC/scalc/01.po file I downloaded has this in it:

#: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text
msgid ""
"_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"
"Maturity is the date on which the security matures 
(expires)."

msgstr ""

Pootle does not get bothered with the spurious string "_: 
04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"


but Kbabel does.

Am I missing something on Kbabel and/or is there another fine tunning 
for Pootle needed?


Yes, but Ain said that this is not a problem. I don't think that we 
have to gsi check the files, but I'm not sure.


Kind regards
Sophie


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Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle response time

2008-02-02 Thread Olivier Hallot



sophie escreveu:

(snip)
So I tried to download the file to work on Kbabel, but KBabel shows 
weird things with msgids ... for example:


_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n
Maturity is the date on which the security matures 
(expires).


The HC/scalc/01.po file I downloaded has this in it:

#: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text
msgid ""
"_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"
"Maturity is the date on which the security matures 
(expires)."

msgstr ""

Pootle does not get bothered with the spurious string "_: 
04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"


but Kbabel does.

Am I missing something on Kbabel and/or is there another fine tunning 
for Pootle needed?


Yes, but Ain said that this is not a problem. I don't think that we 
have to gsi check the files, but I'm not sure.

Never mind, kBabel issue dispeared...

Olivier

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Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle response time

2008-02-02 Thread sophie

Hi Oliver,

Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi,
Am I the only one who gets > 15 seconds average time for pootle 
response? With such response times it becomes very hard to keep a 
transation pace comfortable directly on the server. Just doing a simple 
math, I have >1570 string to translate in HC2/scal/01.po, at this pace 
it will take me no less than 7 hours waiting for Pootle... Sad...


I meet the same response time. I have the time to answer my mail between 
2 strings ;-)


So I tried to download the file to work on Kbabel, but KBabel shows 
weird things with msgids ... for example:


_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n
Maturity is the date on which the security matures (expires).

The HC/scalc/01.po file I downloaded has this in it:

#: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text
msgid ""
"_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"
"Maturity is the date on which the security matures 
(expires)."

msgstr ""

Pootle does not get bothered with the spurious string "_: 
04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"


but Kbabel does.

Am I missing something on Kbabel and/or is there another fine tunning 
for Pootle needed?


Yes, but Ain said that this is not a problem. I don't think that we have 
to gsi check the files, but I'm not sure.


Kind regards
Sophie


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[l10n-dev] Pootle response time

2008-02-02 Thread Olivier Hallot

Hi,
Am I the only one who gets > 15 seconds average time for pootle 
response? With such response times it becomes very hard to keep a 
transation pace comfortable directly on the server. Just doing a simple 
math, I have >1570 string to translate in HC2/scal/01.po, at this pace 
it will take me no less than 7 hours waiting for Pootle... Sad...


So I tried to download the file to work on Kbabel, but KBabel shows 
weird things with msgids ... for example:


_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n
Maturity is the date on which the security matures (expires).

The HC/scalc/01.po file I downloaded has this in it:

#: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text
msgid ""
"_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"
"Maturity is the date on which the security matures (expires)."
msgstr ""

Pootle does not get bothered with the spurious string 
"_: 04060103.xhp#par_id3148558.407.help.text\n"


but Kbabel does.

Am I missing something on Kbabel and/or is there another fine tunning for 
Pootle needed?

Thank you

Olivier


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