Re: [Dev] An issue that could end up with Parabola
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Before I could judge what's right here, I'd have to learn a lot. But since I am only tangentially related to Parabola, I am not in a position to make any decisions for the project. I'd rather just say that I hope Parabola comes out well, and all the contributors too. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] [libreplanet-discuss] QTWebengine is nonfree
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The situation has definitely improved since the last Debian Lintian > report. In the first report there were several thousand files missing > license information. > That is now down to <100 files. > Using ungoogled-chromium's combined patches to strip pre-built binaries > and apply privacy fixes would be a minimum requirement in my opinion. How close is ungoogled-chromium coming to doing what we need? What concrete changes remain necessary, to bring it to a point where we could use it? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] [libreplanet-discuss] QTWebengine is nonfree
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > We have no reliable way of controlling fingerprinting API's in an > embedded Chromium. > As previously mentioned liberating this requires: > - No non-free source code > - No pre-built binaries or libraries (e.g. compile and use system ones > instead), no use of "use_prebuilt" in makefile. > - Access to chrome://flags[1] > - Ability to solve well-known privacy issues[2] I agree. The question is, how can we organize efforts to do this. I would like to try to persuade the KDE project to pay attention to this. Can you find out who I should talk with? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] [libreplanet-discuss] QTWebengine is nonfree
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Would someone here like to make a web page _addressed to non-wizards_ explaining all the flaws in Chromium? We could host it on gnu.org or fsf.org, but someone needs to write it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [libreplanet-discuss] QTWebengine is nonfree
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > hopefully people migrating to the chromium engine are sympathetic with > the concerns expressed here and are able to replace the non free files > found in the source code soon ;) Can you tell me their names and email addresses? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] [libreplanet-discuss] QTWebengine is nonfree
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I've reached out to ungoogled-chromium as well since the project spends > a considerable amount of time patching, to ask what they considered to > be "large portions of code". Any response? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] QTWebengine is nonfree
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] This sounds like a big problem, but it might not be hard to fix. Could someone give me additional information? > Hi guys, since Chromium is blacklisted as nonfree software [0] we have a > serious issue. KDE is migrating their apps to QTWebEngine which contains > Chromium as the embed engine inside it. [1] What does "embed engine" mean? What jobs does it need to do? Is it possible to use Iridium instead of Chromium? Can you tell me the names and addreses of a few people in KDE that it would be useful to discuss this with? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [Fwd: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] [GNU-linux-libre] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract]
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] No recording was made in Stockholm, it appears. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [libreplanet-discuss] [GNU-linux-libre] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I will ask whether they have a recording of that Stockholm speech. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] Some request about use the FSF mirror service
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The parabola project can ask sysad...@gnu.org for this. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > "In 4.0, you must indicate if you modified the material and retain an > indication of previous modifications. In 3.0 and earlier license > versions, the indication of changes is only required if you create a > derivative." This small change may be an improvement, but it doesn't really change the situation. I think it is correct to publish statements of views and testimony under a no-derivatives license. Functional works (those designed to be used to do a practical job) must be free so that those who are using them practically have control over the job. That reason does not apply to statements of opinion or testimony, or to art. See http://gnu.org/philosophy/copyright-vs-community.html for where I stand about these issues. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Quoting part of a statement correctly is legitimate because that practice is necessary for intellectual conversation. Quoting incorrectly can be misleading; I am not sure if that is fair use. Publishing a modified version of someone else's statement is far more misleading. Thus, I recommend the Noderivatives condition for statements of opinion. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > 2. **Parabola is Free Culture**: All documentation and cultural works > included in products of the Parabola project are [Free > Culture](http://freedomdefined.org/Definition), I will fetch that page now, but if I remember right, it restates the GNU definition of free, except not limited to software. The GFDL allows invariant sections and cover texts because they are consistent with that definition. They affect labeling of the manual, not the manual contents. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The invariant sections in manuals under the GFDL are not part of the documentation. They are works of opinion. That's what makes them ethically legitimate, in our view. The documenation is free, but has to be accompanied with the statement of political views that support the free software movement. It is self-defeating for an activity of the free software movement to adopt rules against making sure its views reach the public. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [libreplanet-discuss] [GNU-linux-libre] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Arch linux is steadily becoming Systemd/Linux rather than > GNU/Linux Please do not exaggerate. Systemd is a small part of the GNU/Linux system. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > 4. **Parabola and Arch (the GNU/Linux distribution)**: > We will develop an operating system that is a free version of the > GNU/Linux system (mis)called "Arch Linux", hereinafter referred to > as "Arch", and possibly other Arch-based systems. I don't object to it, but it takes a rather harsh tone towards the Arch GNU/Linux project. I think you should correct their error but there is no need to be harsh about it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [libreplanet-discuss] [GNU-linux-libre] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] For those who are interested, http://gnu.org/philosophy/copyright-vs-community.html gives my views about licenses of various kinds of works of authorship. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > What about "Arch (the GNU/Linux distribution)"? It avoids endorsing the error, so it is ok. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > In some words, if we put in the Social Contract 'Arch Linux', we will > maintain a good relationship with Arch guys, if we put 'Arch GNU/Linux', > we will maintain a good relationship with FSF, GNU project and Richard > Stallman. What should we use? good question and big problem. Rather than deciding based on placating the Arch project, or placating the GNU Project, I ask you to do what is right. That's why I've responded with arguments for why "Arch GNU/Linux" is right. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The scenario described by that part of the FSDG is if there were a > GNU/Linux operating system called "Foobar" or "Foobar Linux" that > contained non-free code, and a flavor of it that was 100% Free called > "GNU Foobar", "Foobar GNU", or "Foobar GNU/Linux". That would be a misleading way of naming the two variants. In this scenario, both versions of the system are GNU/Linux variants. One is an ethical GNU/Linux variant, like Parabola, and the other is an unethical variant, like Arch. However, both of them should be called GNU/Linux, not just Linux. When Ubuntu proposed to do something like this, the GNU Project objected to it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Justifiably and understandably, RMS (and thus the FSF) believes that > because GNU is being wronged by being left out of the name while > "Linux" is included, that it is right and just to similarly mutilate > Arch Linux' name. That the Arch developers have no moral authority to > insist otherwise, as they are guilty of the same act. The argument is sharper than that. We are not changing their chosen name in any old way. We are changing it to correct the insulting error in their choice. > I don't disagree with this, in the general case. However, there are > two factors that make me feel otherwise here: > 1. In this formal context, I believe that we should use formal name > given to it by its developers. In this case, you have to choose to give this kind of respect either to the developers of Arch GNU/Linux or to the GNU Project. Respecting the former means joining them in disrespecting us. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
Re: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-06-13]: New version for Parabola Social Contract
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > He did essentially several search/replaces: > > - "ArchLinux" -> "Arch" or "Arch GNU/Linux" > >Saying "Arch GNU/Linux" is wrong, it should be "Arch Linux". > >"Arch" is acceptable shorthand after the first use. "Arch Linux" is a misnomer, because the system is GNU/Linux. This is a variant of GNU/Linux, which they have decided to call "Arch". That makes it Arch GNU/Linux. That is what we should call it. It is fine to shorten it to "Arch" after the first use. It is unfortunate that the developers of Arch GNU/Linux persist in using the erroneous term "Arch Linux". So let's not repeat their error. There is no reason they should. Their error has no moral authority. If they are going to disregard our moral authority and call our system "Linux", they are hardly entitled to criticize us for correcting their error. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ Dev mailing list Dev@lists.parabola.nu https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
