Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Nicu Buculei]

Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Erwin wrote:
For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.

There seems to be a link missing at the end of the first line of the 
above -- the link to info on Java's licensing. Presumably it's this 
page: http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp
"(iii) you do not distribute additional software intended to replace any 
component(s) of the Software"

so it MAY or MAY NOT be distributed along with a version of OOo built 
with GCC 4/GCJ?

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Re: [Marketing] Open Office for Macintosh system X?

[Louis Suarez-Potts]

Hello Barry!

>Is it possible to download a copy of Open Office for Macintosh system
X?
>
>If so can you pleases send me the deatils of where to obtain this I 
>cannot find it on your download site.
>
>Many thanks
>
>Barry Wenden
>

Yes, it is possible.  Go here,


I recommend, if you just want to use OOo, NeoOffice/J.  We are
developing the X11 branch to 2.0, but it is not quite there yet. It will
be very soon, however, and it is terrific. But for now, NeoOffice/J,
which is an excellent derivative, will do nicely.

best
Louis

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[Marketing] Mirror

[Pál István]

Please include on print comand the mirror option.
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[Marketing] Open Office for Macintosh system X?

[Yvonne Mitton]

Is it possible to download a copy of Open Office for Macintosh system X?
If so can you pleases send me the deatils of where to obtain this I 
cannot find it on your download site.

Many thanks
Barry Wenden
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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Louis Suarez-Potts]

>O.k., here is the statement! Where should we put it?

You mean besides


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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Jean Hollis Weber]

Daniel Carrera wrote:
If the answer is "yes", then may I suggest the following edit:
FAQ Question

May I add/bundle the Sun Java Runtime Environment to/with a
(commercial) distribution of OpenOffice.org?
Answer
==
Yes.
Blah blah blah blah...
+1
First the direct answer, then the explanatory information.
Cheers, Jean 

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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Eric Renaud]

Daniel Carrera wrote:
If the answer is "yes", then may I suggest the following edit:
FAQ Question

May I add/bundle the Sun Java Runtime Environment to/with a
(commercial) distribution of OpenOffice.org?
Answer
==
Yes.
 

+1 - I like this very clear approach. 

Blah blah blah blah...

But I admit I found the answer somewhat confusing.
Cheers,
Daniel.
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 03:19:39PM -0700, Eric Renaud wrote:
 

With an unbiased (really!) view, I see the answer clearly - yes -may be 
and can be distributed freely w. OO.o as long
as compliance with license is maintained and the license is included in 
the bundle,blah, blah, blah.

But the link to the Java licensing info is missing.
Daniel Carrera wrote:
   

Note: the following is intended as constructive feedback:
Uhhmm... was that a "yes" or a "no"?
Sorry to say this, but this text seems to dance around the question. It 
looks like all it said was "read the license". Maybe it was just me, but I 
didn't think I got an answer.

Also, this bit:

 

For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.
 

   

That page doesn't seem to have any information about Java's license. :-(
Lastly, when you have a bracket inside a bracket, that's a sign that the 
text is a bit complicated. Don't take me wrong, I enjoy using nested 
brackets myself. But the Java thing is a sensitive issue and we probably 
want to go for clarity.

Thank you for doing this work Erwin.
 


 


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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Daniel Carrera]

If the answer is "yes", then may I suggest the following edit:


FAQ Question

May I add/bundle the Sun Java Runtime Environment to/with a
(commercial) distribution of OpenOffice.org?

Answer
==
Yes.

Blah blah blah blah...



But I admit I found the answer somewhat confusing.

Cheers,
Daniel.


On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 03:19:39PM -0700, Eric Renaud wrote:
> With an unbiased (really!) view, I see the answer clearly - yes -may be 
> and can be distributed freely w. OO.o as long
> as compliance with license is maintained and the license is included in 
> the bundle,blah, blah, blah.
> 
> But the link to the Java licensing info is missing.
> 
> 
> Daniel Carrera wrote:
> 
> >Note: the following is intended as constructive feedback:
> >
> >Uhhmm... was that a "yes" or a "no"?
> >
> >Sorry to say this, but this text seems to dance around the question. It 
> >looks like all it said was "read the license". Maybe it was just me, but I 
> >didn't think I got an answer.
> >
> >Also, this bit:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
> >>Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
> >>http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >That page doesn't seem to have any information about Java's license. :-(
> >
> >Lastly, when you have a bracket inside a bracket, that's a sign that the 
> >text is a bit complicated. Don't take me wrong, I enjoy using nested 
> >brackets myself. But the Java thing is a sensitive issue and we probably 
> >want to go for clarity.
> >
> >Thank you for doing this work Erwin.


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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Jean Hollis Weber]

Erwin wrote:
The Java Runtime Environment (JRE) may be freely (at no charge)
downloaded from http://www.java.com and can be freely (at no charge)
distributed with OpenOffice.org via CD or other media as provided in the
JRE license (among other things, Sun shall deem the OpenOffice.org
software to provide significant Java technology based value add to the
JRE as required by the JRE license, and note that the JRE needs to be
bundled unmodified with the OpenOffice.org software (including the
license contained in the installer)).
I suggest removing the nested brackets so this paragraph reads as follows:
The Java Runtime Environment (JRE) may be freely (at no charge)
downloaded from http://www.java.com and can be freely (at no charge)
distributed with OpenOffice.org via CD or other media as provided in the
JRE license. Among other things, Sun shall deem the OpenOffice.org
software to provide significant Java technology based value add to the
JRE as required by the JRE license, and note that the JRE needs to be
bundled unmodified with the OpenOffice.org software (including the
license contained in the installer).
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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Jean Hollis Weber]

Erwin wrote:
For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.
There seems to be a link missing at the end of the first line of the above 
-- the link to info on Java's licensing. Presumably it's this page: 
http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp

Regards, Jean 

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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Eric Renaud]

With an unbiased (really!) view, I see the answer clearly - yes -may be 
and can be distributed freely w. OO.o as long
as compliance with license is maintained and the license is included in 
the bundle,blah, blah, blah.

But the link to the Java licensing info is missing.
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Note: the following is intended as constructive feedback:
Uhhmm... was that a "yes" or a "no"?
Sorry to say this, but this text seems to dance around the question. It 
looks like all it said was "read the license". Maybe it was just me, but I 
didn't think I got an answer.

Also, this bit:
 

For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.
   

That page doesn't seem to have any information about Java's license. :-(
Lastly, when you have a bracket inside a bracket, that's a sign that the 
text is a bit complicated. Don't take me wrong, I enjoy using nested 
brackets myself. But the Java thing is a sensitive issue and we probably 
want to go for clarity.

Thank you for doing this work Erwin.
Cheers,
Daniel.
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 11:44:34PM +0200, Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
 

O.k., here is the statement! Where should we put it?
FAQ Question

May I add/bundle the Sun Java Runtime Environment to/with a
(commercial) distribution of OpenOffice.org?
Answer
==
OpenOffice.org 2.0 uses Java technology to increase its functionality:
Java technology is used for wizards and for the database component;
its use here does not affect the licensing of either OpenOffice.org
or the Java software.
The Java Runtime Environment (JRE) may be freely (at no charge)
downloaded from http://www.java.com and can be freely (at no charge)
distributed with OpenOffice.org via CD or other media as provided in the
JRE license (among other things, Sun shall deem the OpenOffice.org
software to provide significant Java technology based value add to the
JRE as required by the JRE license, and note that the JRE needs to be
bundled unmodified with the OpenOffice.org software (including the
license contained in the installer)).
For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.
Thanks,
Erwin

Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
   

BTW, I'm working on this. Very soon there should be public statement
on the OpenOffice.org site.
Cheers,
Erwin

Robert Vojta wrote:
 

Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
   

I believe we got the OK from Sun to distribute the JRE along with
OpenOffice.org because the license says something like you can
distribute the JRE along with another application that requires it.
 

License and README file says this:
The Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment is intended for software 
developers   and vendors to redistribute with their applications.

I think yes too, but I read somewhere that 'major' part of your
application should require Java, not a few 'smaller' parts.
From my point of view - dependency on Java is growing, we should ask
Sun for this and place the answer on the www.openoffice.org site, so
anyone, can get the answer quickly.
   

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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[G. Roderick Singleton]

On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 23:44 +0200, Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
> O.k., here is the statement! Where should we put it?
> 
> 

To start with we can put it in
http://documentation.openoffice.org/faqs/index.html

Someone pick a place and I will put it there.

ger 


> FAQ Question
> 
> May I add/bundle the Sun Java Runtime Environment to/with a
> (commercial) distribution of OpenOffice.org?
> 
> Answer
> ==
> OpenOffice.org 2.0 uses Java technology to increase its functionality:
> Java technology is used for wizards and for the database component;
> its use here does not affect the licensing of either OpenOffice.org
> or the Java software.
> 
> The Java Runtime Environment (JRE) may be freely (at no charge)
> downloaded from http://www.java.com and can be freely (at no charge)
> distributed with OpenOffice.org via CD or other media as provided in the
> JRE license (among other things, Sun shall deem the OpenOffice.org
> software to provide significant Java technology based value add to the
> JRE as required by the JRE license, and note that the JRE needs to be
> bundled unmodified with the OpenOffice.org software (including the
> license contained in the installer)).
> 
> For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
> Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Erwin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
> > BTW, I'm working on this. Very soon there should be public statement
> > on the OpenOffice.org site.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Erwin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Robert Vojta wrote:
> > 
> >> Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I believe we got the OK from Sun to distribute the JRE along with
> >>> OpenOffice.org because the license says something like you can
> >>> distribute the JRE along with another application that requires it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   License and README file says this:
> >>
> >>   The Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment is intended for software 
> >> developers   and vendors to redistribute with their applications.
> >>
> >>   I think yes too, but I read somewhere that 'major' part of your
> >>   application should require Java, not a few 'smaller' parts.
> >>
> >>   From my point of view - dependency on Java is growing, we should ask
> >>   Sun for this and place the answer on the www.openoffice.org site, so
> >>   anyone, can get the answer quickly.
> >>
> > 
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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Daniel Carrera]

Note: the following is intended as constructive feedback:

Uhhmm... was that a "yes" or a "no"?

Sorry to say this, but this text seems to dance around the question. It 
looks like all it said was "read the license". Maybe it was just me, but I 
didn't think I got an answer.

Also, this bit:

> For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
> Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.

That page doesn't seem to have any information about Java's license. :-(

Lastly, when you have a bracket inside a bracket, that's a sign that the 
text is a bit complicated. Don't take me wrong, I enjoy using nested 
brackets myself. But the Java thing is a sensitive issue and we probably 
want to go for clarity.

Thank you for doing this work Erwin.

Cheers,
Daniel.


On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 11:44:34PM +0200, Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
> O.k., here is the statement! Where should we put it?
> 
> 
> FAQ Question
> 
> May I add/bundle the Sun Java Runtime Environment to/with a
> (commercial) distribution of OpenOffice.org?
> 
> Answer
> ==
> OpenOffice.org 2.0 uses Java technology to increase its functionality:
> Java technology is used for wizards and for the database component;
> its use here does not affect the licensing of either OpenOffice.org
> or the Java software.
> 
> The Java Runtime Environment (JRE) may be freely (at no charge)
> downloaded from http://www.java.com and can be freely (at no charge)
> distributed with OpenOffice.org via CD or other media as provided in the
> JRE license (among other things, Sun shall deem the OpenOffice.org
> software to provide significant Java technology based value add to the
> JRE as required by the JRE license, and note that the JRE needs to be
> bundled unmodified with the OpenOffice.org software (including the
> license contained in the installer)).
> 
> For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
> Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Erwin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
> >BTW, I'm working on this. Very soon there should be public statement
> >on the OpenOffice.org site.
> >
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Erwin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Robert Vojta wrote:
> >
> >>Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I believe we got the OK from Sun to distribute the JRE along with
> >>>OpenOffice.org because the license says something like you can
> >>>distribute the JRE along with another application that requires it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  License and README file says this:
> >>
> >>  The Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment is intended for software 
> >>developers   and vendors to redistribute with their applications.
> >>
> >>  I think yes too, but I read somewhere that 'major' part of your
> >>  application should require Java, not a few 'smaller' parts.
> >>
> >>  From my point of view - dependency on Java is growing, we should ask
> >>  Sun for this and place the answer on the www.openoffice.org site, so
> >>  anyone, can get the answer quickly.
> >>
> >
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Re: [Marketing] OOo and Java

[Erwin Tenhumberg]

O.k., here is the statement! Where should we put it?
FAQ Question

May I add/bundle the Sun Java Runtime Environment to/with a
(commercial) distribution of OpenOffice.org?
Answer
==
OpenOffice.org 2.0 uses Java technology to increase its functionality:
Java technology is used for wizards and for the database component;
its use here does not affect the licensing of either OpenOffice.org
or the Java software.
The Java Runtime Environment (JRE) may be freely (at no charge)
downloaded from http://www.java.com and can be freely (at no charge)
distributed with OpenOffice.org via CD or other media as provided in the
JRE license (among other things, Sun shall deem the OpenOffice.org
software to provide significant Java technology based value add to the
JRE as required by the JRE license, and note that the JRE needs to be
bundled unmodified with the OpenOffice.org software (including the
license contained in the installer)).
For more information on Java's licensing, please visit
Information on OpenOffice.org's license can be found at
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html.
Thanks,
Erwin

Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:
BTW, I'm working on this. Very soon there should be public statement
on the OpenOffice.org site.
Cheers,
Erwin

Robert Vojta wrote:
Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I believe we got the OK from Sun to distribute the JRE along with
OpenOffice.org because the license says something like you can
distribute the JRE along with another application that requires it.

  License and README file says this:
  The Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment is intended for software 
developers   and vendors to redistribute with their applications.

  I think yes too, but I read somewhere that 'major' part of your
  application should require Java, not a few 'smaller' parts.
  From my point of view - dependency on Java is growing, we should ask
  Sun for this and place the answer on the www.openoffice.org site, so
  anyone, can get the answer quickly.

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[Marketing] Linspire attempting to make a desktop Linux TV commercial

[Deepankar Datta]

Hi
 Michael Robertson is floating the idea of a TV commercial for desktop 
Linux, and is prototyping one at the moment.  This may be something to 
think about from the marketing point of view if the OOo community may 
want to collaborate.

http://www.linspire.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php
Thanks
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Re: [Marketing] OpenOffice 2.0 flash revisited

[Justin Clift]

Adam Moore wrote:
My only suggestion is when you are on advantages the tab at the bottom
that says advantages I think should be highlighted.  If your on
components, components should be highlighted etc.  Maybe it is
possible to fill in the white area of the button with a nice
contrasting color.
Hey, good idea Adam!
:)
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift

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Re: [Marketing] OpenOffice 2.0 flash revisited

[Adam Moore]

My only suggestion is when you are on advantages the tab at the bottom
that says advantages I think should be highlighted.  If your on
components, components should be highlighted etc.  Maybe it is
possible to fill in the white area of the button with a nice
contrasting color.

Adam M.

On Apr 7, 2005 12:13 AM, Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike Williams wrote:
> 
> >>  + The front page needs the CC license bit at the bottom.
> >
> > Done.
> 
> Oops, wrong one.  You've added the location for where to get the license
> to it, but haven't included the text to say it's released as CC.  Check
> the first slide of any of the free lessons to see what I mean.  :)
> 
> 
> >>  + The first slide feels too long/blank... might be worth adding a
> >>"click here to continue" type of button instead?
> >
> > Tried it and it looked bad. I shortened the slide appearance time instead. 
> > If
> > a button would look better, maybe someone has an idea of what it should look
> > like?
> 
> Seems better now.
> 
> 
> > I think
> > the lessons should be re-worked completely, as they now look a bit lame (IMO
> > the weakest part of the presentation).
> >
> > Does anyone agree that I should re work the lessons and make them at least a
> > little more comprehensive (although I think <~500KB should be a cut-off
> > point).
> 
> By "lessons", you're meaning feature demonstration?  We shouldn't be
> aiming to teach skills with this intro.  ;)
> 
> > Great idea. I'll do that now. Should be updated in 30 mins or so.
> >
> >>I think having to watch through the complete mini-demo for each of
> >>components is the most frustrating feeling bit personally.  ;)
> >
> > Do you think "back to components" should be displayed throughout?
> 
> Sounds reasonable.  Lets try it and see what it looks like.
> 
> As an aside, I just tried the demo part for Base, and kept on clicking
> Next... it bounced me to the front page of DDGTS.  That doesn't seem right.
> 
> The "Previous" and "Next" buttons at the bottom of each of the mini-demo
> things look really ugly, and too far down.  Not sure of a better way,
> but thought I'd mention it.
> 
> 
> >>>The advantages listed could be better as well as in a better order.
> >>
> >>Perhaps draw up a better list of advantages from the OOo1 flash demo,
> >>and Erwin's page of new OOo2 features?
> >
> > I had a look and shifted a few advantages from elsewhere (there were three
> > sitting on another slide). Removed one or two that I thought were less
> > relevant.
> 
> Ok.  For this page, try it without the logo in the top left as that will
> give it more room.
> 
> It's probably worth swapping the positions of the Advantages and
> Components buttons, because having the Advantages button first makes it
> "non-functional".  i.e. its the first button many people will click, and
> it doesn't go anywhere.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> :)
> 
> Regards and best wishes,
> 
> Justin Clift
> 
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Re: [Marketing] OpenDocument reader--as a Firefox extension

[Benjamin Horst]

Daniel,
Thanks for helping to refine and clarify the idea. I think you are onto 
something when suggesting two options, or two steps in the process of 
developing the plugin. Must be the logical mathematician in you!

As for motivating people, the only thing I can think of is presenting 
the idea to a broad array of forums, and hoping it catches people's 
attention somehow. As such, I'm writing a quick article which I'll 
attempt to publish online and get linked from various sources. First 
I'll submit it to OSViews.com, then a few others (maybe try for a 
Slashdot link too). I'll post the text to this list first, and ask for 
comments and suggestions.

Ben
On Apr 3, 2005, at 6:06 PM, Daniel Carrera wrote:
Benjamin Horst wrote:
[Firefox] reads documents in standard formats and displays them on the
screen, and some of these formats (xhtml) are probably similar in many
ways to the XML-based OpenDocument formats. The fit is perfect. The
work to create an OOo file viewer by this route is probably less than
any other current option!
Using FireFox for this is a fantastic idea. I can't overstate how great
the idea is. In addition to what you just said, I would add that
OpenDocument is the natural evolution beyond XHTML. OpenDocument can do
anything HTML can, as well as much that XHTML cannot.
Now, there are roughtly two ways to do this:
1) Use an XSLT transformation to turn OpenDocument files to XHTML and 
have
FF render the XHTML.

2) Write a complete plugin from scratch.
Option (1) is much easier, provided that:
 * Firefox knows what to do with an XSLT.
 * It's ok to lose formatting.
Writing an XSLT isn't the biggest problem. OOo already comes with one 
for
XHTML export. So it comes down to whether FF know what to do with it. 
The
second item might be more problematic. HTML simply cannot represent
OpenDocument files with accuracy.

Option (2) has the advantage of better formatting accuracy. It would 
look
similar to the PDF plugin.

One idea would be to do this as a "quick and dirty" plugin, and plan 
on a
better plugin later on.

Maybe as marketers, we can ignite the motivation in fine programmers
already out there looking for a great new project. What does everybody
think?
This made me smile. I don't know how to motivate someone to do this. It
sounds difficult.
Cheers,
--
Daniel Carrera
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is available at Hentzenwerke Publishing or Amazon.com.
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Re: [Marketing] Release of Mac OSX

[Louis Suarez-Potts]

Hi

>On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 03:16 -0400, Lars D. NoodÃn wrote:
>> Ben,
>> 
>> What is the relation between versions of NeoOffice/J and OOo?
>
>NeoOffice/J is a fork of OpenOffice.org
>> 
>> For example, does NeoOffice/J 1.1 mean the equivalent of OOo 1.1?
>> Or is NeoOffice/J 1.1 the equivalent of OOo 1.1.4 or OOo 2.0 beta?
>
>The current NeoOffice/J version is based on OOo 1.1.4. From I recall
>from the website, the will start working soon on the next version of
>NeoOffice/J which will be based on OOo 2.0.

Probably not until summer at the earliest (summer North America).

Cheers
Louis


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Re: [Marketing] Release of Mac OSX

[Shoshannah Forbes]

On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 03:16 -0400, Lars D. NoodÃn wrote:
> Ben,
> 
> What is the relation between versions of NeoOffice/J and OOo?

NeoOffice/J is a fork of OpenOffice.org
> 
> For example, does NeoOffice/J 1.1 mean the equivalent of OOo 1.1?
> Or is NeoOffice/J 1.1 the equivalent of OOo 1.1.4 or OOo 2.0 beta?

The current NeoOffice/J version is based on OOo 1.1.4. From I recall
from the website, the will start working soon on the next version of
NeoOffice/J which will be based on OOo 2.0.

-- 
Shoshannah Forbes
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Re: [Marketing] Release of Mac OSX

[Louis Suarez-Potts]

>Ben,
>
>What is the relation between versions of NeoOffice/J and OOo?

NeoOffice/J is a derivative of OOo.

>
>For example, does NeoOffice/J 1.1 mean the equivalent of OOo 1.1?

NeoOffice/J is at 1.1.4. There is no immediate work being done on it to
take it to 2.0. For 2.0, see our ongoing work in the X11 version.



Best,
Louis

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Re: [Marketing] Release of Mac OSX

[Alexandro Colorado]

I know the guy, we have a very interesting talk in Berlin, the challenges are
big dealing with MacOSX and OOo, specially because of the way Aqua works. I do
suggest strongly to volunteer to this project. I think you need to know C++ to
be able to contribute.


--
Alexandro Colorado
Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish
http://es.openoffice.org/


Mensaje citado por "Lars D. Noodén" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Ben,
>
> What is the relation between versions of NeoOffice/J and OOo?
>
> For example, does NeoOffice/J 1.1 mean the equivalent of OOo 1.1?
> Or is NeoOffice/J 1.1 the equivalent of OOo 1.1.4 or OOo 2.0 beta?
>
> -Lars
> Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>   Software patents harm all Net-based business, write your MEP:
>   http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN
>
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Benjamin Horst wrote:
>
> > You probably already know about NeoOffice/J, but let me link it again
> > anyway. It's a derivative of OOo made by some very dedicated Mac
> > developers (though the group is small in number, they have been
> > prodigious in output).
> >
> > http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/index.php
> >
> > Ben
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Re: [Marketing] Release of Mac OSX

[Lars D . Noodén]

Ben,
What is the relation between versions of NeoOffice/J and OOo?
For example, does NeoOffice/J 1.1 mean the equivalent of OOo 1.1?
Or is NeoOffice/J 1.1 the equivalent of OOo 1.1.4 or OOo 2.0 beta?
-Lars
Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Benjamin Horst wrote:
You probably already know about NeoOffice/J, but let me link it again 
anyway. It's a derivative of OOo made by some very dedicated Mac 
developers (though the group is small in number, they have been 
prodigious in output).

http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/index.php
Ben
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Re: [Marketing] OpenOffice 2.0 flash revisited

[Justin Clift]

Mike Williams wrote:

 + The front page needs the CC license bit at the bottom.
Done.
Oops, wrong one.  You've added the location for where to get the license 
to it, but haven't included the text to say it's released as CC.  Check 
the first slide of any of the free lessons to see what I mean.  :)


 + The first slide feels too long/blank... might be worth adding a
   "click here to continue" type of button instead?
Tried it and it looked bad. I shortened the slide appearance time instead. If 
a button would look better, maybe someone has an idea of what it should look 
like?
Seems better now.

I think 
the lessons should be re-worked completely, as they now look a bit lame (IMO 
the weakest part of the presentation).

Does anyone agree that I should re work the lessons and make them at least a 
little more comprehensive (although I think <~500KB should be a cut-off 
point).
By "lessons", you're meaning feature demonstration?  We shouldn't be 
aiming to teach skills with this intro.  ;)


Great idea. I'll do that now. Should be updated in 30 mins or so.
I think having to watch through the complete mini-demo for each of
components is the most frustrating feeling bit personally.  ;)
Do you think "back to components" should be displayed throughout?
Sounds reasonable.  Lets try it and see what it looks like.
As an aside, I just tried the demo part for Base, and kept on clicking 
Next... it bounced me to the front page of DDGTS.  That doesn't seem right.

The "Previous" and "Next" buttons at the bottom of each of the mini-demo 
things look really ugly, and too far down.  Not sure of a better way, 
but thought I'd mention it.


The advantages listed could be better as well as in a better order.
Perhaps draw up a better list of advantages from the OOo1 flash demo,
and Erwin's page of new OOo2 features?
I had a look and shifted a few advantages from elsewhere (there were three 
sitting on another slide). Removed one or two that I thought were less 
relevant.
Ok.  For this page, try it without the logo in the top left as that will 
give it more room.

It's probably worth swapping the positions of the Advantages and 
Components buttons, because having the Advantages button first makes it 
"non-functional".  i.e. its the first button many people will click, and 
it doesn't go anywhere.

Hope that helps.
:)
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
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Executive Director
Digital Distribution Global Training Services Pty. Ltd.
Premier OpenOffice.org and StarOffice Online Training providers
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