Re: [Marketing] Vote for official positioner (slogan) reopened [was: Positioner voting not closed tomorrow]

2005-11-27 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello everyone,

sorry, it seems that I have missed this message, so here is my vote, if
you still count. ;-)

 - (25 points) Open. For business. (A, C, D)

10 points

 - (17) Free your files! (A)

9 points

 - (10) Today's Office. Tomorrow's Standard. (A, B, D)

8 points

(or Tomorrow's standard in Today's Office)

The first alternative is better, I think. :-)

 - (8) Interoperable with the future (A, B?, C)

7 points

 - (8) Upgrade to open standards (A, B, C)

6 points

 - (0) Your company. Your data. Your Office. (A, C, D)

3 points

 - (6) For a world of freedom and choice! (A, C)

2 points

 - (0) Open Doors. Open Source. OpenOffice.org (A, C, E)

1 point

Yours truly
Florian

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[Marketing] Re: [com] Label documents with OOo

2005-11-27 Thread Charles-H.Schulz
Hola Alexandro,

Alexandro Colorado wrote:

 The spanish community came up with this idea to spread the use of 
 OpenOffice.org and that is similar to some websites that have an icon 
 saying that the site was created with X product.

 This idea is to make a Watermark that will label the document as
 'crated  by OpenOffice.org'. I generally agree with the idea and the
 process is  rather simple.

 Generate a default template on with the iconset on watermark. The 
 promotion of this template as a campaing to spread OOo.

Good idea indeed. Back in my business school I used to insert an OOo
logo/button on my yearly memorandums and hence show that they were done
with OOo. Is the watermark ready?

Thanks,
Charles.


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Re: [Marketing] Article: OpenDocument vs MS XML

2005-11-27 Thread John McCreesh
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 01:44 +, Daniel Carrera wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Excellent article at Groklaw:

[snip]

 OpenDocument beats MS XML in interoperability hands down. And this 
 article explains some of the technical reasons why. I highly recommend it.

Yes, I usually feel that way too about articles I have (co-)authored :-)

Folks - this is actually an interesting article and you shouldn't let
Daniel's shameless self-promotion put you off reading it.
Congratulations to him and his co-authors for actually taking the
trouble to look under the covers at the two formats.

John



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Re: [Marketing] Label documents with OOo

2005-11-27 Thread Alex Fisher
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 05:34, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
 Hi Alexandro, *,

 Alexandro Colorado wrote:
  [...]
 
  This idea is to make a Watermark that will label the document as
  'crated  by OpenOffice.org'. I generally agree with the idea and the
  process is  rather simple.

 I like this idea too, but I can't really imagine, where you want to
 put the watermark without affecting the text.

 Perhaps you could attach a template to an issue and we could start a
 thread on the art list?

 BTW: I'd rather say created with OpenOffice.org because with
 created by I would refer to the author - but I'm not a native
 speaker as well. What do you think?

Much better English... FWIW, all my documents have a footer which contains (in 
addition to the page number) Created by Alex Fisher using OpenOffice.org 
2.0.

  [...]

 Best regards
 Bernhard

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Re: [Marketing] Vote for official positioner (slogan) reopened [was: Positioner voting not closed tomorrow]

2005-11-27 Thread Steven Shelton

Bernhard Dippold wrote:
So I restart the voting for the positioner (a short slogan containing 
the main points of a product, that can be used as entity with the 
logo) again.
(If you want to get more infos, you may have a look at the thread: 
http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=devby=threadfrom=1053380) 


[snip]
I'd like to end the voting next Thursday - and with many people 
joining in the vote we'll get a result that can be recommended as 
official positioner for OpenOffice.org 2.0 


Oops! didn't see this!

My votes remain the same.

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Re: [Marketing] Vote for official positioner (slogan) reopened [was: Positioner voting not closed tomorrow]

2005-11-27 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi all,

Steven Shelton wrote:


Bernhard Dippold wrote:
[snip]

I'd like to end the voting next Thursday - and with many people 
joining in the vote we'll get a result that can be recommended as 
official positioner for OpenOffice.org 2.0 



Oops! didn't see this!


Because the lists have been extremely slow -- my own voting 
disappeared 47 hours ago :-( -- I'll keep the voting open another 2 
days. Then all the mails stuck in the queue should be delivered (and 
perhaps some new ones too).


But I don't know if we can count the result as official:

I know about 9 people's votes:
- Steven Shelton
- Konrad Stobiecki
- Chad Smith
- Mark Harrison
- Adam Moore
- Jean Hollis Weber
- Charles-H. Schulz
- Florian Effenberger
- me (if my mail will reach the list one day...)

Some others made proposals, but didn't vote, but my main concern is, 
that many of the most active project members don't seem to be 
interested in this theme at all.


I have no idea, if they dislike the proposals, the complex voting 
procedure or the search for an official positioner / slogan altogether.


The normal way in a community is that you can assume that all the 
people *not joining* a voting are not interested in the theme or 
don't have a favorite. But here I really don't know:


John McCreesh posted on Sept. 29th (just before the OOoCon):

I'm also ask for guidance on how to progress the
question of a 'slogan'/'positioner'. When this has been raised in the
past it has generated lots of heated debate - it has been very quiet so
far here on [EMAIL PROTECTED], which makes me think that people's attention
is elsewhere (OOoConf, 2.0RC, etc).


There was no debate at all - and neither he nor Jacqueline McNally 
did join the voting. I'd like to hear the opinions of others too: 
Deepankar Datta, Daniel Carrera, Sam Hiser, Ian Lynch, Alexandro 
Colorado, Jonathon Blake, Lars D. Noodén, Graham Lauder, Claus 
Agerskov - just to name some people I believe to have lots of 
marketing experience they could share with us.


And Erwin Tenhumberg did post most of the proposals - I don't think 
there may be a reason to exclude Sun staff from the voting.


For the people having joined the voting there should be a result - 
but perhaps you could tell me, what I did wrong (besides the 
complicated voting system).


Best regards

Bernhard


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Re: [Marketing] Label documents with OOo

2005-11-27 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:34:16 -, Bernhard Dippold  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi Alexandro, *,

Alexandro Colorado wrote:


[...]
 This idea is to make a Watermark that will label the document as  
'crated  by OpenOffice.org'. I generally agree with the idea and the  
process is  rather simple.


I like this idea too, but I can't really imagine, where you want to put  
the watermark without affecting the text.


Perhaps you could attach a template to an issue and we could start a  
thread on the art list?


BTW: I'd rather say created with OpenOffice.org because with created  
by I would refer to the author - but I'm not a native speaker as well.  
What do you think?

 [...]


Best regards
Bernhard


Well the footer of course, actually the Spanish has been active and  
already have some templates ready to download.


Version 1:
http://es.openoffice.org/files/documents/73/3061/HechoConOOoHernan.ott

Version 2:
http://es.openoffice.org/files/documents/73/3060/Creado_OOo.ott

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Re: [Marketing] Vote for official positioner (slogan) reopened

2005-11-27 Thread Jacqueline McNally

Bernhard Dippold wrote wrt
http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=21704 :



For the people having joined the voting there should be a result -
but perhaps you could tell me, what I did wrong (besides the
complicated voting system).



You did nothing wrong Bernhard. The Vote for official positioner
(slogan) reopened discussion thread inviting people to vote for a
positioner was buried amongst a lot of discussion that if it was to be
discussed on OpenOffice.org was more appropriate to discuss@ or social@

dev@marketing.openoffice.org (this list) is Similar to that of
development projects, tasks and activities are discussed here to
complement activities submitted and tracked in IssueTracker and our ToDo
List.

The positioner/slogan discussion and voting is an important activity and
very much relevant and on topic for this list.

I was waiting for others to comment and vote before I posted, then the
lists slowed ...

May I suggest that now the lists are starting to flow, that the voting
and discussion continues this week until Friday 2 December.

So if you haven't voted or offered an opinion, please review
http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=21704
and offer them up before Friday.

Regards
Jacqueline McNally
Lead, OpenOffice.org Marketing Project

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Re: [Marketing] Vote for official positioner (slogan) reopened

2005-11-27 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi,

even if the lists are down, I want to vote by myself - I don't know, 
if there are any mails in the queue, but I'll wait until the weekend 
before I count the votes.


Bernhard Dippold wrote:


Hi all,

[...]
Six people did vote in the first voting - they may change their opinion 
or leave their points as they were - so I tell you the number of point 
already given to the proposals.



HERE THEY ARE:

- (25 points) Open. For business. (A, C, D)

6


- (17) Free your files! (A)
- (10) Today's Office. Tomorrow's Standard. (A, B, D)
   (or Tomorrow's standard in Today's Office)

9


- (9) The New Office Suite Standard (A, D, E)
- (8) Interoperable with the future (A, B?, C)

3


- (8) Upgrade to open standards (A, B, C)
- (6) For a world of freedom and choice! (A, C)

4


- (5) Passion unleashed! (A, G)
- (3) Open Suite for Open People (A, C, G?)

5


- (2) Office suite for open people (G?)
- (0) Freedom in more than 60 languages (A, E)

2


- (0) Don't let others create YOUR office suite! (C)
- (0) The easier way to work! (D)
- (0) Let Your OfficeSuite do the work! (D)
- (0) Give freedom a 2.0nd chance (A, B)
- (0) A 2.0nd chance for freedom (A, B)
- (0) Don't care for DigitalRightsManagement - it's free! (A, F)
- (0) Upgrade to open document exchange (A, B, C)
- (0) Open Doors. Open Source. OpenOffice.org (A, C, E)

7


- (0) Open. Professional. Social. (A, C, G, D)

10


- (0) Upgrade to data freedom (A, B, C)
- (0) Your company. Your data. Your Office. (A, C, D)

8


- (0) Compatible with your Office. (A, B, C, D)
- (0) Don't sell your soul for an Upgrade, get it free! (A, B, F)
- (0) Free. In every sense. (A, C, F)
- (0) Hackers wanted! (C, G)
- (0) Extreme Contributing (C, G)
- (0) I love my office suite! (G)
- (0) Be in charge of YOUR office suite! (C)
- (0) For a world with more than just one office suite! (A)
- (0) Be part of it! (G)
- (0) Where YOU can make a difference! (C)

1


- (0) Make friends around the globe! (G)
- (0) Do you have friends in all continents? I do! (G)
- (0) Don't let others own YOUR data! (A)
- (0) Upgrade to the Open Standard (A, B, C)
- (0) The passion office! (G)
- (0) Be in charge of YOUR documents! (C)
- (0) The other 'dating' forum! (G)
- (0) Be connected! (A, G)


Best regards
Bernhard

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[Marketing] Re: [com] Label documents with OOo

2005-11-27 Thread Cristian Driga

Hi Charles, Alexandro,

Charles-H.Schulz wrote:

Hola Alexandro,

Alexandro Colorado wrote:


The spanish community came up with this idea to spread the use of 
OpenOffice.org and that is similar to some websites that have an icon 
saying that the site was created with X product.


This idea is to make a Watermark that will label the document as
'crated  by OpenOffice.org'. I generally agree with the idea and the
process is  rather simple.

Generate a default template on with the iconset on watermark. The 
promotion of this template as a campaing to spread OOo.




This is a great idea Alexandro! Perhaps the template should also be 
included in the application in the next releases of OOo ?




Good idea indeed. Back in my business school I used to insert an OOo
logo/button on my yearly memorandums and hence show that they were done
with OOo. Is the watermark ready?



I also used from time to time to insert a small image at the end of the 
documents created using OOo. I have placed the image on the web in case 
you find the message useful:


JPG and GIF versions:
http://www.kfacts.com/gfx/ooo/no-license-needed.jpg
http://www.kfacts.com/gfx/ooo/no-license-needed.gif

The source:
http://www.kfacts.com/gfx/ooo/no-license-needed.xcf


Best,
Cristian





Thanks,
Charles.






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