Re: [Marketing] ITwire article
They’re done by multiple people working on a project at once. Essentially, Open Office is fine if you have very limited needs because it was really designed around what Microsoft Office products were designed around 10 years ago.” So can we have some examples please? “The Microsoft Office product line has gone way beyond that to serve multiple constituencies. We have a home and student version. We have small business versions. We have multiple enterprise versions. It has gone on to encompass working with quite a bit of server software to encompass the real challenges that businesses have today.” Was it my imagination or Yates never really answer the question. Or does he means we were all individuals in the past and now we are students and workers, or did he just validated the point that collaboration is only on the enterprise and that there is no clear focus on small business and students? Also when it comes to cost why they never pull the figures. According to some of our window shopping we found that a 5 licenceses of M$ Office cost around 2500 USD plust about 1/2 day hours to install on this 5 clients which might be up to 80 USD. For OOo Trainning we found that it cost 300 usd for a trainning session and 500 for a full course at least in most countries of Latin America. M$ has a pricing on trainning of 600 but we dont include it since we assume people know all this. Document conversion is an automated part of OOo so migration of document is marginal 80 USD, and 80USD on installation as individual. The totall cost came up to 800 USD vs. 2500 USD. If you add some consulting on macro converstion or generation you have a budget of almost 1700 USD which is about 4 days of support at 425 which is by LA an excellent pricing or will be the equial of 3 workstations at 566 USD. I think we do lack some of this pricing, of course the argument is that it might vary from country to country however I dont think even in the US or UK you can exceed the cost of licensing. I guess the weakest link comes to narrowing down the price of making a OOoBasic Macro -- or migrate one. I know the usual pricing is around 80 - 150 USD / day. And a macro usually can be written in 5 working days tops. Also take notice that this 2500 USD is for the SMB version of MSO, the enterpirse Gold version is aroun 700 USD (200 USD more or 1000 USD more for our 5 clients). -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] GENERAL
My Thoughts in General I just got back from South Africa and visited the Western Cape. I was pleased to see all the Internet cafes there are using Openoffice and Open Source products when ever possible. One Internet cafe owner expressed that the major problem is that kids come in asking for MS Office mainly because that is the program they are being taught in the schools. She told me that MS implements programs in schools and educates teachers on how to teach MS Office to Kids. Here are many other types for pre-press printing applications used as "Word Templates": http://www.avery.com/us/Main?action=software.BlankTPLHierarchy&catalogcode=WEB01&node=0 and there are all types of other custom made Word templates used for printing. I think we should think of these templates in the grand scheme of things not just "label templates" I say this because label templates has gotten all the attention lately. I think the general battle (concept) of converting folks from MS to OO is good, but I think the real battle is between Word and Writer. I mention this because there are 3 major fronts to attack MS and I think the Word front is ignored a little too much in general and might be more important for converting folks to OO. The third front is "templates" Searched in Yahoo in January (Google you can triple these numbers) 155160 for "Microsoft office" 8000 for "MS office" 7700 for "office Template" and then a whole lot of combinations of words 146000 for "Microsoft Word" 7200 for "Word Template" 6000 for MS word and then a whole lot of combinations of words The above numbers are sqwed a lot for MS Office as I would bet the majority of searching for Microsoft Office are in fact folks looking for info on Word. LABEL TEMPLATES ON THE AGENDA We put up a4 sizes for Europe and Asia. http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-a4.htm We want all Openoffice.org users to have the benefit of quick access to label templates. We are adding an additional 40 a4 sizes to this list. The complete collection of templates can be downloaded here including European/Asian a4 sizes: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooolabels/ We also put up templates for Draw: http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-templates.htm Template in terms of usage numbers: The most used label software program by far worldwide is Word® label templates generally available from Avery.com blank template gallery. The number of searches for terms with and related to "label templates" out number terms for "label software" 5 to 1 in the Search Engines. For your info during month Jan, approx 20 searches for terms with and related to label templates in USA and Canada on Yahoo and Google network. Worldlabel.com comes up no 1 or 2 for all terms related to label template searches in all the SE. In 2005 the main label template page on Worldlabel had approx 1,019,000 unique visitors enter, busier than my homepage. I am working on getting the OO label template page to come up No 1 across the board as I think it can help with movement to OO. Regarding the Label Wizard in Openoffice.org: The big problem with it and Word has the same problem is most folks do not have a product number and almost all ways look for labels by size or types first. So in almost every case the wizard is hopeless. Another thing is for some reason a lot of folks don't know the label wizard exists, hence all the search engine activity looking for templates. Folks who work in offices and print labels often tend to understand the wizard better. To create your own template in the wizard is a nightmare for the average user and sometimes even for experienced users it can take forever. This is the area I would like to discuss regarding Worldlabel.com sizes being listed in next version. Having the templates in the wizard open up by searching for label size would really make it user friendly. >From a political standpoint as far as Worldlabel.com is concerned, the wizard >is basically Avery Dennison Corp with all their products and affiliates >products listed helping them remain a monopoly. Avery's Fasson division is the largest raw label stock manufacturer in the World and supplies the materials to all the other Manufacturers listed in the Wizard for converting into finished products. SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMIZATION I think Openoffice.org can improve its positioning in the search engines, especially in Google for very important Keywords. Right now if one searches for Word Processor - plural and single, Text Editors, Word, Microsoft Word and several other keywords, Openoffice does not show up in top 10 or not at all. Some of the pages on Openoffice can be optimized for these words or new pages created which would be dedicated to those words. The increase in traffic will be enormous if OO takes this SEO into consideration. Just wanted to share this all with you Regards Russell
Re: [Marketing] ITwire article
Hi, On 2006-03-07, at 16:24 , Jonathon Coombes wrote: On 07/03/2006, at 11:52 PM, Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA wrote: Jonathon, My apologies, but I don't normally read Slashdot and haven't seen anything elsewhere. Do you have a more direct link to the article or a headline to help me in my search? http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/3517/106/ There have been several responses. Michael Meeks and I have recently replied to general questions from a journalist, too. Regards Jonathon Best, Louis smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [Marketing] ITwire article
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Re: [Marketing] ITwire article
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Re: [Marketing] ITwire article
On 07/03/2006, at 11:52 PM, Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA wrote: Jonathon, My apologies, but I don't normally read Slashdot and haven't seen anything elsewhere. Do you have a more direct link to the article or a headline to help me in my search? http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/3517/106/ Regards Jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] ITwire article
Jonathon, My apologies, but I don't normally read Slashdot and haven't seen anything elsewhere. Do you have a more direct link to the article or a headline to help me in my search? Thanks, Jeff Causey On Monday March 06 2006 23:45, Jonathon Coombes wrote: > Hi All, > > I guess most of you have seen the ITwire article mentioned on > Slashdot or similar sites. The itwire site (www.itwire.com.au) was > actually slashdotted and has only just come back up. I have put > together a response in my blog to the article, but I am sure some > others would find it very interesting reading as well. > > Regards > Jonathon > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA, CAPM President Strategic Innovations, Inc. 336-675-1652 www.strategic-innovations-inc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Proposal for a new CD-ROM Distributors page
On 3/6/06, Bernhard Dippold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I suppose the site to be maintained by the distribution project (as > it is located there: http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom ). So > perhaps it would be more successful to post your message on their > dev-list. This is the second list I've moved this to - I think Alex maintains this page, and he's on this list. Do I really need to try yet another list? > Looks much more professional than the present one. Thank you. :-) I'd keep the "official" OOo heading including the entries in the > blue bar. It can be discussed to modify them (probably at the > website project), but that's nothing specific to the CD-ROM page. Oops. Oh yeah, I forgot that I changed those. I have another site - whatisopenoffice.org - that I use to promote OOo. I just copied my surrounding stuff from there (ads included). The proposal isn't to change those - just the "guts" of the page - the part that is specific to the download page. Sorry about that. If technically possible I'd show the worldwide shipping companies on > the first glance and all the others after selecting a region in the > drop-down menu. This menu should be placed near the list of > distributors and formatted in a way everybody recognizes it an > alternative to the listed distributors. That makes sense to me. Go ahead - cleaning up our web pages is absolutely necessary ! > Thanks. I just got to the figure out the CVS thing, and we'll see what we can do. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [Marketing] Proposal for a new CD-ROM Distributors page
Hi Chad, all, Chad Smith schrieb: Hi everyone, As a part of the recent page updates post, I've taken a look at several of the CD-ROM / ISO related pages. I've created a mock-up of what I'd like the new CD-ROM download page to look like. There are still a few problems with the page I made, and any advice on how to proceed would be helpful. Let me start by saying I have no idea who designed or maintains the CD-ROM distributors page, and I do not have the rights or permissions to change it. This is just my suggestion - I can't make it happen without someone telling me how and/or giving me access rights to do so. I suppose the site to be maintained by the distribution project (as it is located there: http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom ). So perhaps it would be more successful to post your message on their dev-list. Here's my proposed site: http://ooocdrom.blogspot.com/ The changes are mostly cosmetic, but I think it cleans up the resulting look and feel quite a bit. There's not as much yelling at the user. No reds, no huge buttons that have nothing to do with buying a CD. Just simple instructions and a few links. Looks much more professional than the present one. [...] Advice is welcome. What do you think? I'd keep the "official" OOo heading including the entries in the blue bar. It can be discussed to modify them (probably at the website project), but that's nothing specific to the CD-ROM page. If technically possible I'd show the worldwide shipping companies on the first glance and all the others after selecting a region in the drop-down menu. This menu should be placed near the list of distributors and formatted in a way everybody recognizes it an alternative to the listed distributors. Go ahead - cleaning up our web pages is absolutely necessary ! Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] ITwire article
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 15:45 +1100, Jonathon Coombes wrote: > Hi All, > > I guess most of you have seen the ITwire article mentioned on > Slashdot or similar sites. The itwire site (www.itwire.com.au) was > actually slashdotted and has only just come back up. I have put > together a response in my blog to the article, but I am sure some > others would find it very interesting reading as well. MS Office is in some respects 10 years behind software I was using in 1990 :-) -- Ian Lynch www.theINGOTs.org www.opendocumentfellowship.org www.schoolforge.org.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
