[marketing] Re: [project leads] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project
Hi Martin, Sorry, was away all the day yesterday. Martin Hollmichel a écrit : eric.bachard wrote: [please continue the discussion on the d...@openoffice.org mailing list] The OpenOffice.org Education Project proposes to drive the following experimentation : - create a dedicated branch in the OOo source code repository (means hosted by OOo Project) for a 7-12 years software, derivated from OpenOffice.org, and made and maintained by OpenOffice.org project. I like and support this idea, Thank you very much for your support :-) Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including milestones, like OOo does what do you mean by completly independent ? Not sure wy wentence was enough precise, and the reasons are multiple: First, if we provide commit access to students, we take some risks, and avoir them to commit on DEV300 or whatever other branch would be great. Second, to avoid legal issues, we replaced the Sun copyrighted icons and everything we considered as causing such issue with new icons and other design. At other places, e.g. with the png loader I implemented for the splashscreen (saving 340 kB in the binary), we added new files, who are used just in case the build env OOo4Kids is defined, we modified the start centre, will reuse (in 2.x) it as design pattern for new wizards, ad so on. Last, but not least, the current localization on windows (NSIS) breaks the current OOO .sdf files. Not sure this will be easy to mix all that with OOo source code. As reminder, the 1.0 goals are only : - decrease the binary size (the current archive is around 80MB on windows, 272 MB decompressed) - be sure it works on poor in ram and powerless machines, e.g. on XO ** - be stable and work as correctly as possible on Windows (I did the port), Mac OS X (PowerPC and Intel), and Linux (all possible ports) - make a first approach with simplify the UI, in touch with teachers, respecting their need. Open question : will all locales have the same needs for 7-12 children ? Major changes will concern the 2.x or superior (everything is explained on http://wiki.ooo4Kids.org ) .. and so on I hope all of this (maybe I forgot other reasons), will help you to understand what I meant with independance. I would expect that this branch should kept in sync with OOo releases ? Yes, that's the case: the 1.0 version uses and is in sync with the 3.2 branch (I resync'ed my changes with DEV300_m54). Once the OOO320 branch will be created, we'll continue with it. Regards, Eric **see : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort#Various_adaptations__on_Sugar_-_i.e._Linux_-_.28click_me.29 -- Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/news - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Twenty million downloads
The version 3.1 download counter on the Marketing Planet http://marketing.openoffice.org/planet/ passed the twenty million mark yesterday - another landmark! John -- John McCreesh - Marketing Project Lead - OpenOffice.org Developers - join us! see http://council.openoffice.org/developers.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: [project leads] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project
Hi Juergen, Juergen Schmidt a écrit : Martin Hollmichel wrote: I like and support this idea, me too and i support the idea as well. Thank you very much for your support too ! I was a big fan of StarOffice4Kids project Same for me : Long time ago, I even asked for see the sources, but for some reasons, I never found them. Long time after, when the need became obvious for the Eucation Project to provide an Education oriented office suite, I was very early in contact with Stella Schultze, to discuss with her about design issues, and some other reasons I don't remin exactly. And indeed, she suggested to have a look at StarOffice4Kids. with more or less the same idea. I agree I derived StarOffice4Kids name, to create the OOo4Kids one. Indeed the idea is similar. I don't know ho wthings where done with StarOffice4Kids, but we have decided to strictely follow what the teachers ask (in fact, they must demonstrate every need). Did you the same ? Can you tell me more about that ? Nevertheless, there is at least one big difference : because of the slow / poor / old machines most of the schools have, we decided to not use Java ( StarOffice4Kids is mostly Java if I'm not wrong), but maybe was it only a prototype ? Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including milestones, like OOo does what do you mean by completly independent ? I would expect that this branch should kept in sync with OOo releases ? Work on the same things should be done on the same code base. For example Eric talked about performance. Edu performance projects could be seen as sub projects of the performance project with a special focus on educational things, maybe driven as university project ... In my vision of the Education Project working on performance issues, there are - I'd say - gurus, who do constitute the Performance projects core. On Education Project side, mentors and students who respectively teach and learn the good practices, and, for the best of the students, work on performance improvements. When the idea, and the resulting code will be enough, we'll join the performance meeting, and propose our work to be evaluted. To be frank with you, I have some doubs yet another project/sub-project will help there (ihmo there is no need to complicate more), but I can be wrong. The really new stuff from a user perspective is the interaction with this specific user group kids, the OO users of tomorrow. Not only : the teachers are involved too. Most of the scheduled changes have been proposed by them, and without them, nothing would have been possible (they know better than us what is possible). Other extremely important thing: OOo4Kids is the way to enter in schools with free software. This is from my point of view very important and can be partly achieved or addressed with a customizable UI. I think this is not sufficient. We need to implement more than what we have today, and integrate more Education specific contents and so on. Believe me or not, but the only thing people want (not only teachers), is : simplify the UI. On MAc OS X side, this is the rule 20% visible / 80% hidden law. I would expect the same code base but customized for the specific needs of kids. A minimized feature set and a kids related UI etc. A special branded and customized OpenOffice version if you want. Yes, something close to that. But new features will be proposed (starting 2.x) Anyway it's a very good idea and i will support it where i can. Thanks again :) Eric -- Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/news - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: [dev] Re: OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project
Hi Horst, Horst Salzwedel a écrit : Hi Eric + all, congratulations for the great idea of doing an OOo version for education. Like MS Office, OOo has functionality aimed for offices and does not consider the requirements for education and learning. That's the generic feedback indeed. Learning is forming models in our heads and playing and manipulating them. Numbers themselves are just facts. Agreed. However, spreadsheets like Calc are hiding models and are just displaying numbers. Therefore they do not further learning. Additionally they are nearly impossible to debug for complex problems. I know there is a scenario feature, but I don't know how to use it. With the complexity of our technology are increasing by a factor 100 every 10 years with the increase of chip capabilities. Understanding the systems around us or developing new ones can only be done based on computer models. It is critical for our society and for our technological progress that this is taking place already in schools, colleges and universities. After being correctly defined it's role :) With OOo freely available everywhere, it is an excellent platform to provide for this functionality for supporting learning and research. As a step towards this goal Tino Jungebloud wrote a Diploma thesis, in which he intergrated the open source tool Octave (similar to Matlab) in OOo. This integration makes it possible to use Octave in OOo for like Calc or other applications + combine functionaliy of Calc and Octave. Octave includes Linear Algebra libraries, integrators for simulation + a huge libraries of numerical mathematics. You may use this for mathematical experiments like changing parameters with a slider in Calc and observing how the outcome of a simulation in Octave and its graphical output is changing. Wow, that's awesome ! To talk more about me, I'm myself a Maxima ( i.e. free version of a Maple-like, for formal computations) user since years, and I had the secret wish, to do the same Tim did with Octave, but with Maxima :) So see it done for Octave, is really a great news !! As an example this may be used for teaching in introductory math in 7th grade how the function y = a + b*x I see works by putting a and b on sliders and observing how the function goes up or down or changes its slope, making the functional behavior visible and much easier to understand. Extensions of this work may make it possible make draw objects or impress pages being represented by models, making it possible that even presentations themselves can meet the science requirements of traceability and repeatability and thus can be exchanged as scientific work. This would be another incredible killer feature, indeed. You may also use it for designing new control and navigation algorithms for spacecraft going to the moon, Mars or beyond. That's extremely intersting. We propose to also include this in OOo4Kids. What do you think? I think this work is extremely intersting. Nevertheless, before to go further, We'd need more information about what has been done, about portability .. and so on, to see whether this will desserve to be integrated into OpenOffice.org (as extension probably, or more subtily) Last but not least, the *first* suggestion coming in my mind, is that you (and Tino Jungebloud ) could propose a paper for the next OOoCon (Orvieto, Italy). There will be a topic Education, and this *is* IMHO the right place for presenting such enhancements. See : http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009 http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009/schedConf/cfp http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009/schedConf/timeline If somebody is interested we can send you a copy of the thesis (in German). I can read German, but I'm not sure to understand everything. Do you think I can have a look at it ? Other possibility: we use a lot IRC, and Thanks in advance for you opinion, Thanks to you to have forwarded the information ! Regards, Eric Bachard -- Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/news - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Twenty million downloads
John McCreesh wrote (8-8-2009 11:44) The version 3.1 download counter on the Marketing Planet http://marketing.openoffice.org/planet/ passed the twenty million mark yesterday - another landmark! Great! Warned by Florian, we already sent out a Dutch press release yesterday ;-) -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact Ontwikkelaar? Join! http://council.openoffice.org/developers.html Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Twenty million downloads
Posted on Otto web 2.0 club. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: John McCreesh wrote (8-8-2009 11:44) The version 3.1 download counter on the Marketing Planet http://marketing.openoffice.org/planet/ passed the twenty million mark yesterday - another landmark! Great! Warned by Florian, we already sent out a Dutch press release yesterday ;-) -- Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact Ontwikkelaar? Join! http://council.openoffice.org/developers.html Gevoel niet vrij te zijn? Zie www.nieuwsteversie.nl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: j...@jabber.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
