Re: [marketing] Request for attending GULEV in Veracruz Mexico
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Hello community through this email I am asking the marketing budget for $200 dls sponsorship to attend to GULEV in Veracruz Mexico. The event is one of the largest and with most history in Mexico, for about 9 years the event has been taking place in different parts of the country and had brought FLOSS representatives like RMS, Rasmus, Guido van Rossum and others. For this edition I will be given 3 talks: - mini talk: ODF around the world - workshop: Develop extensions for OOo - talk: OpenOffice.org is open for business The event organizer will cover my accomodation costs during the 3 days of the event (200 dls). http://gulev.org.mx/eventos/gulev2010/ +1 -- Andy Brown La Mesa, CA 91942 www.the-martin-byrd.net/openoffice.org.html OpenOffice.org Community Distributor CD/OEM Distribution Project member Documentation Project member Marketing Project member User Experience Project member - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Request for attending GULEV in Veracruz Mexico
Hello community through this email I am asking the marketing budget for $200 dls sponsorship to attend to GULEV in Veracruz Mexico. The event is one of the largest and with most history in Mexico, for about 9 years the event has been taking place in different parts of the country and had brought FLOSS representatives like RMS, Rasmus, Guido van Rossum and others. For this edition I will be given 3 talks: - mini talk: ODF around the world - workshop: Develop extensions for OOo - talk: OpenOffice.org is open for business The event organizer will cover my accomodation costs during the 3 days of the event (200 dls). http://gulev.org.mx/eventos/gulev2010/ -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Can we really release OOo 3.2.1 in its current state ?
Hi Steven, You can find dev builds of upcoming versions of OOo at: http://download.openoffice.org/next/ Regards, Ivan. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Steven Shelton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 4/12/2010 10:09 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: >> As you perhaps know already, there is some effervescence in the >> francophone NLC about the new version 3.2.1. > > Where are you finding 3.2.1? I reported a bug (one that's pretty > important to my office) that's supposed to be fixed in that version, > but I haven't been able to find a link to even a nightly that contains > those fixes to test them. > > > > > - -- > Steven Shelton > Twilight Media & Design > www.TwilightMD.com > www.GLOAMING.us > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkvDL3sACgkQO+AD2HqgRoDPKwCg2NNd6HDIDRh440Tq28kxk6AS > +hAAoJZsDOJ2Zw8rfN0AS6/mCPmd42is > =GPao > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Can we really release OOo 3.2.1 in its current state ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/12/2010 10:09 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: > As you perhaps know already, there is some effervescence in the > francophone NLC about the new version 3.2.1. Where are you finding 3.2.1? I reported a bug (one that's pretty important to my office) that's supposed to be fixed in that version, but I haven't been able to find a link to even a nightly that contains those fixes to test them. - -- Steven Shelton Twilight Media & Design www.TwilightMD.com www.GLOAMING.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvDL3sACgkQO+AD2HqgRoDPKwCg2NNd6HDIDRh440Tq28kxk6AS +hAAoJZsDOJ2Zw8rfN0AS6/mCPmd42is =GPao -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Can we really release OOo 3.2.1 in its current state ?
Hi all, As you perhaps know already, there is some effervescence in the francophone NLC about the new version 3.2.1. The problem is about the replacement of the splash-screen chosen by the Community, the look and the usability of the new StartCenter, and the method to do the changes. There is two kinds of problem : - *theses changes break our processes, mainly our QA process*. Indeed OOo 3.2.1 is a bugfix and these changes do not fix any bug, so they have nothing to do in a bugfix. Confidence in the quality assurance rests, to a large extent, on the absolute respect of the procedures. The break of our processes is then a major fail and a very bad message sent to the Community. - *the new StartCenter is mainly unusable* due to the too small difference between ODF icons, the four small icons seem which seem grayed, "open file" and "template" actions which have the same icon (a closed folder !). Most of those to whom I showed the new StartCenter have said that it is a regression. If we consider the StarCenter as the gateway to OpenOffice.org, so it does not encourage the user to enter. I do not like to write that but, in its current state, I do not know how I could validate a francophone version of OOo 3.2.1. :-( If we do not want to discourage the Community it is essential that the main role of the Community shouldn't be only to accept and promote the decisions taken by Hambourg. Remember, without its Community, OpenOffice.org would not have a market share of ~20% in Europe. So we should work *together* to do a better version 3.2.1. Best regards. JBF -- Jean-Baptiste Faure French N-L project Lead http://fr.openoffice.org Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents.
[marketing] Proposing MarCon for Pakistan
Dear Community Members, I hope this message finds you in good health and high spirits. I was recently browsing through the Open Office Strategic Marketing Plan as I have been doing since its inception in 2004. My ID is fouadbajwa since then but I have changed my address from ba...@fossfp.org to fouadba...@gmail.com so the new user ID: bajwa. I have been the focal point in Pakistan for promoting various FOSS platforms and also for OpenOffice promoting it with Ubuntu Linux as Team Lead of the Ubuntu Pakistan LoCo Team (official) as well as in my work with the Linux Professional Institute - Pakistan. I have given more links to references after the paragraph below. I would like to take on the duties of OpenOffice's Marcon for Pakistan with the following details. If you approve my request to continue OO promotion in Pakistan, I would like to request the following OO aliases in my contact information for the Pakistan MARCON: Pakistan Fouad Bajwa Email: ba...@openoffice.org can point alias to fouadba...@gmail.com Phone: +92 333 4661290 Web: http://bajwa.openoffice.org Timezone: UTC+5 Some pointers on the Internet to me: LinkedIn: http://pk.linkedin.com/in/fouadbajwa Internet Society: http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/igfambassadors/alumni.php?id=68 http://www.ifossf.org/user/fouad_bajwa Promoting some FOSS efforts: Ubuntu Pakistan official team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pk State of FOSS promotion in Pakistan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-pk/2009-March/000231.html http://markmail.org/message/ikddc6f5cklqufgh Here are some old communications on OpenOffice issues: http://www.mail-archive.com/e...@marketing.openoffice.org/msg00123.html http://www.mail-archive.com/e...@marketing.openoffice.org/msg00122.html In other countries: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2008-January/001943.html You can read more about me at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FouadRiazBajwa LPI-Pakistan: http://www.lpipakistan.org Do let me know of your final decision. -- Regards. -- Fouad Bajwa FOSS Advocate - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Oracle Open Office vs OpenOffice.org
2010/4/12 Ian wrote: > On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 00:49 +0200, Ismaël Grammenidis wrote: > > > I agree with you, but let's be honest, If you would compare Lotus, > > NeoOffice (or Oracle OO) with OpenOffice.org branding you will see > > immediatly which brand looks more professional, and it's certainly not > the > > last one. So those companies want to promote a product with a strong > visual > > identity and create thus an entire new brand. > > It is also a characteristic of the largest Open Source projects to have > a range of branding. Look at GNU/Linux and the number of rebranded > distros. OpenOffice.org is redistributed on a similar basis (well with > commercial forks so possibly more like BSD). The argument could be that > this is a good thing as it prevents a monoculture and promotes > competition. > Let's not forget, Linux is a kernel, not a product on it's own. Different distro's use that kernel to create something new and different in it's own way. I don't see the same thing with OpenOffice.org. > > > To come back on-topic: I think that StarOffice was a much stronger brand > > than OpenOffice.org > > I'd question that. In my experience a lot more people have now heard of > OOo than StarOffice. SO is probably a stronger brand in certain > commercial environments but I should think OOo is much better known to > the general world population. Has SO had 100 million downloads? It > surprises me that SO is even commercially viable especially if the > development costs of OOo are taken into account. Probably if all > Sun/Oracle desktops run it as opposed to buying MSO licenses the savings > might help tip the balance. But in the end commercial companies have to > have products that at least break even (or perhaps do overall fatal > damage to a major competitor ;-) ) > A lot of people have heard of "Open Office", but do they actually know what it is? Indeed "Open Office" is a strong brand, but that is not our brand. If I would say "OpenOffice.org", most people would ask if "dot org" is a monster from a cartoon or something. You know, average Joe doesn't know (and probably doesn't care) about all these "difficult IT stuff". This is why I still think that the StarOffice brand is still stronger (maybe not better known) than OpenOffice.org in the long turn. > > > (and OracleOO), just because of all the trademark > > problems that occurs at the moment. Like using .org instead of just "Open > > Office" and in Brazil they use "BrOffice" instead of OpenOffice.org. > > In my personal opinion, not every open source project needs to > incorporate > > the word "open" in their brand name. If Oracle wants to ditch StarOffice > as > > a commercial brand name, why not use it instead for the open community? > > Oracle, Novell, Canonical can then just use "StarOffice Pro" (by > > company-name) to promote their builds. That way, there is just one brand > to > > maintain and it can create a broader recognition. But again, that's just > my > > personal view. > > They do it for a reason. Open Source has become fashionable. The word > Open strengthens the branding and conveys a desirable property. This > provides the evidence that OOo is a stronger brand than StarOffice > otherwise why not use StarOffice? Branding is not just about glossy > presentation. > It's like you said, it's fashionable, it's a trend, like everything needs to be "green", eventually it will be so common that it's not fashionable anymore, and then you are left over with a bunch of company all called "open (company)". It is not unique and I think it won't help create a stronger brand identity on the long way. > > > The fragmentation is already done a long time ago, it's now up to Oracle > and > > the Marketing team to actually consult the entire community including UX > and > > locals to actually try to make this brand strong and make it work (as > one). > > While Oracle is contributing the vast majority of the development > resources, they are going to have the last say and they will put their > interests first. Of course it could be in their interest to consult and > take notice of the community but the political power is heavily stacked > towards them until someone has the resources to create a fully > independent fork that could realistically compete with Oracle's > development team. I don't see much sign of that. > I can understand that, and I'm sure the community is thankful for their large contribution. Some people in this community suggest things and even criticize some things, but it should be taken into serious consideration. Some people in this community, who do not work for the big Oracle, contribute as volunteer but may have years of experience in a specific domain that it would be wise for Oracle to adapt themselves. A community is not a monarchy. Forks can survive, and even become more popular than the original product. Look at Joomla vs Mambo where most of the Mambo developers switched to Joomla. Of course, this is what we should prevent
Re: [marketing] Oracle Open Office vs OpenOffice.org
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 00:49 +0200, Ismaël Grammenidis wrote: > What I understood from Oracle's FAQ's about Oracle Open Office: > StarOffice en StarSuite will no longer be the brand for the commercially > supported distribution. Instead it will be replaced by the brand "Oracle > Open Office" and not just "Open Office". OOO as opposed to OOo? :-) > Since the last one is a registered > trademark in certain European countries like Belgium, The Netherlands and > Luxembourg. This is why OpenOffice.org uses the ".org" to make a separation > between those two brands. > > So basically, "Oracle Open Office" is just "StarOffice", the commercial > product of OpenOffice.org, but than renamed. Why it releases again a > commercial distribution again so short after ditching StarOffice, this > raises definitely some questions here. I think it is obvious. Oracle buys Sun, Oracle needs to make money to cover the costs of the acquisition of Sun. They need Oracle brand names to strengthen Oracle not a now defunct brand that signals the dead past. > I agree with you, but let's be honest, If you would compare Lotus, > NeoOffice (or Oracle OO) with OpenOffice.org branding you will see > immediatly which brand looks more professional, and it's certainly not the > last one. So those companies want to promote a product with a strong visual > identity and create thus an entire new brand. It is also a characteristic of the largest Open Source projects to have a range of branding. Look at GNU/Linux and the number of rebranded distros. OpenOffice.org is redistributed on a similar basis (well with commercial forks so possibly more like BSD). The argument could be that this is a good thing as it prevents a monoculture and promotes competition. > To come back on-topic: I think that StarOffice was a much stronger brand > than OpenOffice.org I'd question that. In my experience a lot more people have now heard of OOo than StarOffice. SO is probably a stronger brand in certain commercial environments but I should think OOo is much better known to the general world population. Has SO had 100 million downloads? It surprises me that SO is even commercially viable especially if the development costs of OOo are taken into account. Probably if all Sun/Oracle desktops run it as opposed to buying MSO licenses the savings might help tip the balance. But in the end commercial companies have to have products that at least break even (or perhaps do overall fatal damage to a major competitor ;-) ) > (and OracleOO), just because of all the trademark > problems that occurs at the moment. Like using .org instead of just "Open > Office" and in Brazil they use "BrOffice" instead of OpenOffice.org. > In my personal opinion, not every open source project needs to incorporate > the word "open" in their brand name. If Oracle wants to ditch StarOffice as > a commercial brand name, why not use it instead for the open community? > Oracle, Novell, Canonical can then just use "StarOffice Pro" (by > company-name) to promote their builds. That way, there is just one brand to > maintain and it can create a broader recognition. But again, that's just my > personal view. They do it for a reason. Open Source has become fashionable. The word Open strengthens the branding and conveys a desirable property. This provides the evidence that OOo is a stronger brand than StarOffice otherwise why not use StarOffice? Branding is not just about glossy presentation. > The fragmentation is already done a long time ago, it's now up to Oracle and > the Marketing team to actually consult the entire community including UX and > locals to actually try to make this brand strong and make it work (as one). While Oracle is contributing the vast majority of the development resources, they are going to have the last say and they will put their interests first. Of course it could be in their interest to consult and take notice of the community but the political power is heavily stacked towards them until someone has the resources to create a fully independent fork that could realistically compete with Oracle's development team. I don't see much sign of that. > I'm not saying that it is possible to please everyone. But creating bleached > icons that causes a serious visibility problem, even those for whom having a > perfect eye-sight will not solve this. Instead linux distributions like > ubuntu will just adapt the entire thing to make sure it integrates with > their policy and branding of what is a user-friendly user-experience > oriented, both in terms of product and branding. So the entire effort of > this branding will be useless if issues like these are not resolved. > > With kind regards, > Ismaël Grammenidis -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ.
